Spyderco Manix 2 and Benchmade Griptillian - Next 2 test knives

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I wonder how long it'll take Spyderco to find out what went wrong. I'm sure they also have a lot more important things on their mind though.
 
So when are you gonna test a Sebenza and really start a poop hurricane?:D

Can you give any insights into the difference in blade geometry that led to the tip failure on the M2 and Grip and surviving of the AL tip?

I'm not aware of the Grip being pushed as a hard use folder. Looking at my 550 (sheepfoot blade shape) it's obvious it won't take it. However, the weak point is the blade, not the lock. The hollow ground edge is thinner than my Delica, and the point is the thinnest I've seen on a Benchmade. There's no doubt it will fail if significant lateral pressure is used.

I also don't generally view Spyderco as marketing their knives as hard use. The reputation is for utility, handiness, and excellent cutting ability. Like someone already said, I'm sure they could make a very tough folder if they wanted, it's just not on their to do list.

It seems there is a school of thought that folder shouldn't be made stronger because the use of a folder doesn't need it, past a certain minimum. Do all those who feel that is the case also feel that wringing out the last bit of edge holding with the newest steels is an unworthy goal?
 
me2 said:
So when are you gonna test a Sebenza and really start a poop hurricane?:D

Can you give any insights into the difference in blade geometry that led to the tip failure on the M2 and Grip and surviving of the AL tip?

I'm not aware of the Grip being pushed as a hard use folder. Looking at my 550 (sheepfoot blade shape) it's obvious it won't take it. However, the weak point is the blade, not the lock. The hollow ground edge is thinner than my Delica, and the point is the thinnest I've seen on a Benchmade. There's no doubt it will fail if significant lateral pressure is used.

I also don't generally view Spyderco as marketing their knives as hard use. The reputation is for utility, handiness, and excellent cutting ability. Like someone already said, I'm sure they could make a very tough folder if they wanted, it's just not on their to do list.

It seems there is a school of thought that folder shouldn't be made stronger because the use of a folder doesn't need it, past a certain minimum. Do all those who feel that is the case also feel that wringing out the last bit of edge holding with the newest steels is an unworthy goal?
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I don't own one and it's not on my short list to buy.

They just thinned out the blades too much towards the tips for a hard use knife.

The Manix 2 is marketed as a hard use knife so IMO the tip should have been thicker so it could take some prying.
 
Ankerson said:
I don't own one and it's not on my short list to buy.

They just thinned out the blades too much towards the tips for a hard use knife.

The Manix 2 is marketed as a hard use knife so IMO the tip should have been thicker so it could take some prying.
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Yes maybe so, but people cry and moan about hollow grinds and tips that they say are too thick like on my Endura. I like the thicker tip Endura. Spyderco must then try to appeal to the majority.

I do still hold to my view Ankerson that the knife you tested had some kind of defect before hand. The caged ball bearing lock design is nowhere near that weak.
 
greater said:
Yes maybe so, but people cry and moan about hollow grinds and tips that they say are too thick like on my Endura. I like the thicker tip Endura. Spyderco must then try to appeal to the majority.

I do still hold to my view Ankerson that the knife you tested had some kind of defect before hand. The caged ball bearing lock design is nowhere near that weak.
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You might be right, but I won't know until I hear back from Spyderco on that one. :)
 
marcengels said:
Get an XM-18 and your worries will be gone......................
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Right, because comparing a $400+ knife (that's almost impossible to find) to a $80 production knife (that can be found anywhere) is a reasonable comparison. :rolleyes:
 
Josh K said:
Right, because comparing a $400+ knife (that's almost impossible to find) to a $80 production knife (that can be found anywhere) is a reasonable comparison. :rolleyes:
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That is kinda funny when you think about it. ROFL :D
 
I finished off the Griptillian today on video, as in I broke it as per request by Zeke who donated the knife. :D

Video will be up later today. :)
 
Just got done testing the Emerson CQC-13 that was Donated to me for the testing and it passed with flying colors. :thumbup:

Video will be up late tonight. :D
 
Ankerson said:
I finished off the Griptillian today on video, as in I broke it as per request by Zeke who donated the knife. :D

Video will be up later today. :)
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How much do you weigh Ankerson? That Grip sure took a lot of your weight before it broke! :eek:
 
Ankerson said:
I don't own one and it's not on my short list to buy.

They just thinned out the blades too much towards the tips for a hard use knife.

The Manix 2 is marketed as a hard use knife so IMO the tip should have been thicker so it could take some prying.
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I found the tip on my Sm Regular Seb was actually fairly stout in comparison to other knives aimed more towards "hard-use"(was as thick or thicker than my ZT0350 and my Strider PT at tip if memory serves me correctly). I also recently sold a tanto Sebenza 21 that had a decent amount of steel left at the tip. That being said, CRK defines "hard-use" differently than you do.
 
flipe8 said:
I found the tip on my Sm Regular Seb was actually fairly stout in comparison to other knives aimed more towards "hard-use"(was as thick or thicker than my ZT0350 and my Strider PT at tip if memory serves me correctly). I also recently sold a tanto Sebenza 21 that had a decent amount of steel left at the tip. That being said, CRK defines "hard-use" differently than you do.
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I thought about this today, I wont know if I would classify a CRK under "hard use" or a knife designed for "hard cutting"?

Hard use: batoning like Ankerson is the extreme
Hard cutting: just short of batoning like Ankerson.

What do you think?
 
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