Spyderco Manix 2 and Benchmade Griptillian - Next 2 test knives

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Josh K said:
That shouldn't be happening. It doesn't look like you're hitting it anywhere near hard enough to really hurt it, and on top of that you didn't even beat on it before the whacks.
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I know, like I was saying.... :confused:
 
I would guess the lateral blade play is the culprit behind the lock failure.
 
AF said:
I would guess the lateral blade play is the culprit behind the lock failure.
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Might have been, but I had to keep it even and fair across the board as I promised I would. :)
 
Could the liners or G10 of the manix 2 have become misaligned or bent by the heavy lateral forces created by hard carving preventing the caged ball bearing lock from sliding freely (deformity) as it should ?

Ankerson when you inspected this knife before the test did you note any early lockup.
 
greater said:
Could the liners or G10 of the manix 2 have become misaligned or bent by the heavy lateral forces created by hard carving preventing the caged ball bearing lock from sliding freely (deformity) as it should ?
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Anything is possible I guess... :confused:

I won't take apart the knife to see just in case Sal wants the knife to inspect it. I want to leave it as is.
 
Ankerson,

I watched all three videos. I just wanted to say thank you for the time and effort. As was posted earlier by another member... your tests are like the car crash test videos of the knife world. I find this kind of stuff very interesting to watch. I own knives from all three companies. Thanks again.
 
Thanks for the test :)

I find this pretty surprising. I remember a gentleman on the Spyderco forum posting about a "torture test" involving (IIRC) stabbing car doors and batoning a Manix2, with no failure whatsoever.

Either he got lucky, or you got a lemon then. (I believe the man's username is VashHash. Google Manix2 Torture Test and you should find it)
 
AF said:
They should have named the Manix 2 something different because so many people like you have an attachment to the original and don't see the sequel as an improvement.
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I only bought the Manix I about a month ago, the Manix II maybe three weeks ago, and the sequel is NOT an improvement in any meaningful way, quite the opposite. My Manix II has the CTS-XHP, and that may well be an improvement over S30V, but otherwise, the Manix I beats its 'successor' in every way.
I consider the Manix II a super-de-luxe Tenacious.
The Manix II is one of my top 5 folders already.
 
We know CS torture-tests their blades, AFAIK, all of them. I don't know this from any other folder manufacturer. It could be that Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw and the rest also do it, but I don't know. Does anyone else?

I don't think it can be denied that the results of designing and testing like this pays off for Cold Steel. It's a valid debate wether such toughness really serves any purpose at all, is ever required, but it's nice to know the folders can take it.
 
I always wonder why some people always say what's the point in torture testing when their favorite knives fail the test. I'm having to revise my estimates about what my folders can take.
 
I've read a bunch of this and I gotta say this. Ankerson was 100% fair to all 3 knives. Take it from me as Ankerson would probably agree I am one of the TOP cold steel haters. But I'll have to admit Ankerson simply posted results said what all 3 knives can take and in the HARD USE/ABUSE world the current knife that passed is the American Lawman. I will say though the griptillian was ONE HARD PRY from passing. Sure there is blade play but hey it is ABUSE. I'm sure if he tried a Strider SMF (who would ever do that to a $400 knife...but) it would pass, same with an XM-18. The only bias you can say is that all knives cannot be put through these tests due to cost and the fact that 90% or more would fail and break.

I still won't buy an american lawman though...:D
 
philwar said:
We know CS torture-tests their blades, AFAIK, all of them. I don't know this from any other folder manufacturer. It could be that Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw and the rest also do it, but I don't know. Does anyone else?

I don't think it can be denied that the results of designing and testing like this pays off for Cold Steel. It's a valid debate wether such toughness really serves any purpose at all, is ever required, but it's nice to know the folders can take it.
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Here's the problem *puts on HATER CAP* cold steel doesn't test their knives like Ankerson does. His tests are unbias and unselected. EVERY knife gets the same test. Cold steel selects certain knives for certain tests, which is completely unfair and is why I openly hate on them. Also cold steel uses different people with different knives for different tests. Clearly with that amount of variables any data you collect is worthless. Also CS does some *just for show* and *worthless tests* Your knife can cut meat.....so what? *takes off CS haters hat*
 
Ankerson said:
If Sal wants the knife to look at then I will send it to him no problem, if he PM's me telling me he wants it. :thumbup:

If not I will step on both of them tomorrow resting between two 2x4's finishing them off for good.
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Dang Jim you barely even put those knives through hard use at all. They sure did'nt/could'nt take much. Nothing like a strider i guess.
If Sal does'nt want them back i say do the FFbm test on them. :thumbup::D
 
If you want to beat a folder up the CS probably is the cheapest folder that can take it.
The tip snapping on the B/M and Spyderco is not surprising at all. After all they are very pointed and I'd like to see if a Cold Steel folder with that same blade design would not break off when used to stab/pry wood.
I've seen some cheap knives hold up to any spine-whack on hard wood I could manage.
Others I've had give very easy that cost more. I won't use a folder nearly hard enough to have issues with it withstanding this sort of "hard use". That's what a fixed blade is for IMO.
Cold Steel's new lock is very tough and that's undeniable. If they used some higher end steel they would really have something combined with that lock.
 
Bill86 said:
I've read a bunch of this and I gotta say this. Ankerson was 100% fair to all 3 knives. Take it from me as Ankerson would probably agree I am one of the TOP cold steel haters. But I'll have to admit Ankerson simply posted results said what all 3 knives can take and in the HARD USE/ABUSE world the current knife that passed is the American Lawman. I will say though the griptillian was ONE HARD PRY from passing. Sure there is blade play but hey it is ABUSE. I'm sure if he tried a Strider SMF (who would ever do that to a $400 knife...but) it would pass, same with an XM-18. The only bias you can say is that all knives cannot be put through these tests due to cost and the fact that 90% or more would fail and break.

I still won't buy an american lawman though...:D
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Umm, Ankerson did:thumbup:
 
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