Spyderco Manix 2 and Benchmade Griptillian - Next 2 test knives

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Josh K said:
Of course we have to judge by your "use" scale. :)

Your use constitutes gross abuse of the knife, not hard use.
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One should be able to do some prying with a knife labeled as hard use. :)

It should also be able to take some pounding too. :thumbup:

But I could have really beat the heck out of them, I didn't because they are folders in the end.
 
IGotStabbed said:
To the OP Ankerson: please don't post anything on this thread until you show us the video. Right now I'm pretty unhappy with how you are presenting things. You managed to destroy the tips on both and break one of the best locking mechanism all while boasting the Lawman. Not exactly fair way to do things. Please just show us the video.
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Beyond You said:
definitely waving the CS flag, I enjoy the cutting tests and chopping vids, but these videos seem like advertisements to me, and not the good kind.
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i have to disagree. ankerson and i dont always see eye to eye, and in fact have vastly different tastes in knives and brands.

while i certainly dont think the manix 2 is a bad knife, in fact i really like mine, i cant argue that the lawman is the stronger overall design.

i will say i believe the term "hard use" has different meanings to different people. the prying that caused the tips to break is not likely something i would do. the hardest use my folders will typically see is cutting up some mean looking cardboard.

by my measurements on a starrett caliper:
manix2, ffg ctx-xhp: .125"
lawman, coating stripped: .134"

thickness probably played a role as well as steel and hardness, so in one sense it is an apples-oranges comparison.

but he did the same things to each knife, which is a clear indicator of intended objectivity. there are variables of course, many out of his control. but i still believe the comparison to be valid in so far as each knife was treated the same.
 
Ankerson said:
One should be able to do some prying with a knife labeled as hard use. :)

It should also be able to take some pounding too. :thumbup:

But I could have really beat the heck out of them, I didn't because they are folders in the end.
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Agree. Although I won't do that to mine, i'm glad somebody else will spend the $$$, time, and effort to show what these knives are capable of. It's like those car crash tests. i won't test mine like that but I'm sure glad that somebody does for my peace of mind.
 
Ankerson said:
One should be able to do some prying with a knife labeled as hard use. :)

It should also be able to take some pounding too. :thumbup:

But I could have really beat the heck out of them, I didn't because they are folders in the end.
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If your Manix 2 video is exactly like the Grip video then I find if very surprising that the entire lock assembly failed. That is something I would like to see sent to Spyderco for evaluation (if the donor consents).

Worst case you should have ended up with three knives missing tips.
 
IGotStabbed said:
You managed to destroy the tips on both and break one of the best locking mechanism
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How do you know it's one of the best locking mechanisms? Have you done any of your own tests? Have you even ever seen such a test done on a Manix 2? I haven't.

As far as I know, we've only been told that the BBL is one of the best locks.

The best we've seen was someone on the Spyderco forum (I can't remember who it was, exactly) stabbing a car up with his Manix 2. The tip broke, if you recall. But there was no lock stressing to compare against.

Ankerson did this test for us, and as far as I can see, he's only a messenger. I'm a big critic of CS, and I know Ankerson is a fan, but I see that he's done good work. :thumbup:
 
MORIMOTOM said:
i have to disagree. ankerson and i dont always see eye to eye, and in fact have vastly different tastes in knives and brands.

while i certainly dont think the manix 2 is a bad knife, in fact i really like mine, i cant argue that the lawman is the stronger overall design.

i will say i believe the term "hard use" has different meanings to different people. the prying that caused the tips to break is not likely something i would do. the hardest use my folders will typically see is cutting up some mean looking cardboard.

by my measurements on a starrett caliper:
manix2, ffg ctx-xhp: .125"
lawman, coating stripped: .134"

thickness probably played a role as well as steel and hardness, so in one sense it is an apples-oranges comparison.

but he did the same things to each knife, which is a clear indicator of intended objectivity. there are variables of course, many out of his control. but i still believe the comparison to be valid in so far as each knife was treated the same.
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Yeah but we still have fun don't we. :D :thumbup:

I think it's a mutual respect that we developed over the years. :)
 
Ankerson said:
Yeah but we still have fun don't we. :D :thumbup:

I think it's a mutual respect that we developed over the years. :)
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absolutely!

i didn't mean to imply any distrust or that our internet personas don't get along.

simply that no one can ever accuse me of being a cold steel or benchmade fanboy. in fact, it would be fair to say i am definitely a spyderco loyalist.

but darnit, the thing broke and the cs didn't.



your reviews actually led me to buy my first two cold steels in probably ten years.

i have my reservations about each for a couple reasons, but have no doubt the locking mechanisms are top notch and stronger than i will ever need.
 
Josh K said:
If your Manix 2 video is exactly like the Grip video then I find if very surprising that the entire lock assembly failed. That is something I would like to see sent to Spyderco for evaluation (if the donor consents).

Worst case you should have ended up with three knives missing tips.
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What until you see the video Josh, I was shocked when it failed on the 1st hit.... :eek:

The lock was complete destroyed after the video when I went inside and tightened up the screws and took it back out and gave it a few more hits just to see if it got any better. I would have posted that it passed after if it would have. :)

A total of 4 more hits and the lock blew up on me.... :confused:
 
Ankerson said:
What until you see the video Josh, I was shocked when it failed on the 1st hit.... :eek:

The lock was complete distroyed after the video when I went inside and tightened up the screws and took it back out and gave it a few more hits just to see if it got any better. I would have posted that it passed after if it would have. :)

A total of 4 more hits and the lock blew up on me.... :confused:
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In my opinion that should not have happened. Hence I would like to see Spyderco take a look at it and see if they can explain it away. It could be something they overlooked as well.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
absolutely!

i didn't mean to imply any distrust or that our internet personas don't get along.

simply that no one can ever accuse me of being a cold steel or benchmade fanboy. in fact, it would be fair to say i am definitely a spyderco loyalist.

but darnit, the thing broke and the cs didn't.



your reviews actually led me to buy my first two cold steels in probably ten years.

i have my reservations about each for a couple reasons, but have no doubt the locking mechanisms are top notch and stronger than i will ever need.
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We are all he to have fun in the end, well that's the way I look at it. :)

I know why you don't like CS, hey I have my own opinions too, we all do and we should respect those. :thumbup:

I am sure they will grow on you the longer you own them. :) :eek: :D

Well maybe not. LOL
 
It should also be noted for the uninformed; the CS knife has no steel liners, just thick G10 slabs. That's an impressive show of strength redardless of the manufacturer. I've been skeptical of the all G10 handle but from what I've seen so far I may have to give one a shot. Thanks for the test and vids Ankerson.
 
Josh K said:
In my opinion that should not have happened. Hence I would like to see Spyderco take a look at it and see if they can explain it away. It could be something they overlooked as well.
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If Sal wants the knife to look at then I will send it to him no problem, if he PM's me telling me he wants it. :thumbup:

If not I will step on both of them tomorrow resting between two 2x4's finishing them off for good.
 
Ankerson said:
If Sal wants the knife to look at then I will send it to him no problem. :thumbup:

If not I will step on both of them tomorrow resting between two 2x4's finishing them off for good.
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Give them a call / email tomorrow. :thumbup:
 
Josh K said:
In my opinion that should not have happened. Hence I would like to see Spyderco take a look at it and see if they can explain it away. It could be something they overlooked as well.
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I agree.

I used the same amount of force slamming a manix 2 on a hard fixed bed post over 15 times. The mating surfaces and the blade stop surfaces did show signs of wear but the one I used did not fail at all or develop any blade play.

I am thinking there may have been something wrong with the knife that broke.


I saw the videos and I don't think those were the hardest
spine wacks when I first saw the pics I came to the wrong conclusion that Anks tests were done Demko style with brute full force blows.

The one I used did not fail like that. I know if I pry with the tip however it will break.

I did once see a broken tip on a mini lawman but that was because the owner attempted to use the tip as a screwdriver to loosen a tight screw.
 
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