Spyderco PM2 woes

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RLDubbya said:
And those darned motorcycles they race. You know that some tracks require you drill holes through all nuts and bolts, and wire them in place with a product called, of all things, SAFETY WIRE? They just don't know how to engineer at all, these Japanese motorcycle manufacturers. Oh, or the Americans, Italians, English...

/sarcasm
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I used to race Yamaha RD/RZ's back in the 80's. Safety wire everything or you don't race.
 
Spyderco makes great blades. I understand BLUE loctite on a pivot screw, but a pocket clip with 4 options of carry is whacky....thats the only word that comes to mind...Whacky. Could of been a bad run of a lot of knives with a bad tap. Instead of scrapping a bunch of steal liners or handles for some bad threads that only effects the clip, the operator just used loctite and hoped no one would make a fuss.
 
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extrastout said:
Spyderco makes great blades. I understand BLUE loctite on a pivot screw, but a pocket clip with 4 options of carry is whacky....thats the only word that comes to mind...Whacky. Could of been a bad run of a lot of knives with a bad tap. Instead of scrapping a bunch of steal liners or handles for some bad threads that only effects the clip, the operator just used loctite and hoped no one would make a fuss.
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I see zero issues with using blue on clip screws. Also, the OP stated he had a crappy torx kit....and no mention of red.
 
RLDubbya said:
And those darned motorcycles they race. You know that some tracks require you drill holes through all nuts and bolts, and wire them in place with a product called, of all things, SAFETY WIRE? They just don't know how to engineer at all, these Japanese motorcycle manufacturers. Oh, or the Americans, Italians, English...

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You mean all those Superglides I owned back in the 70/80's vibrated like this Kershaw I own, I sure don't remember that. Do you think if they had Loctite back then all those tracks would have required that old Harley's be Loctited? Hum:)
 
Here for a month & never owned a Spydie??? But YOU just KNOW??
Ok, thank you. Not sure how we got along without you.
I'm sure you'll make lots of friends here with that wonderful attitude.

We don't even know if there is any loctite at all, red or blue, on the OP's clip screws yet. He couldn't get them out.
Why are we having this discussion??
Joe
 
cash71 said:
You mean all those Superglides I owned back in the 70/80's vibrated like this Kershaw I own, I sure don't remember that. Do you think if they had Loctite back then all those tracks would have required that old Harley's be Loctited? Hum:)
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I used Locktite on my 69 FL.....Here I am on it in 84ish. Things still fell off......

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cash71 said:
You mean all those Superglides I owned back in the 70/80's vibrated like this Kershaw I own, I sure don't remember that. Do you think if they had Loctite back then all those tracks would have required that old Harley's be Loctited? Hum:)
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No they were too busy trying to get those bikes to start and too busy mopping up oil once they did to worry about threads back then. Either way Loctite is something that is the best solution for knives. Small screws on tools are very hard to get to not back out without Loctite. Sure you could engineer screws with tighter tolerances and more threads that were finer. But then you would have people constantly cross threading screws and or stripping them out. Trust me, if there was a better way the companies would be doing it. If you think quality folding knives don't have Loctite then you must not believe high quality production folders exist in the first place.
 
cash71 said:
Based on what I read on this forum, Spiderco is supposed to be a quality knife maker, I don't like the looks of them so I'll never know. I also know that any quality product doesn't need loctite to keep it's products parts together and if it does then the machined threading isn't engineered properly. A knife has aprox. 4 parts, excluding grips and screws, how these few parts command the high prices they do escapes me.

As a collector of many things including guns, watches etc.etc. I don't find value in any knife over $125 if that. And any knife co. that doesn't supply quality screws, knowing the purchaser will disassemble their product shouldn't be described as a quality knife maker.
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Well, you're new to the hobby. I'm sure you'll figure it out. I don't find any value in Patek Phillipe over Timex or Les Baer over Armscor, but I'm sure if I got more into guns or into watches at all, I would. Of course, until such time as I've been in a hobby for a while, I'd also refrain from throwing bombs about who is and isn't quality.

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PURPLEDC said:
No they were too busy trying to get those bikes to start and too busy mopping up oil once they did to worry about threads back then. Either way Loctite is something that is the best solution for knives. Small screws on tools are very hard to get to not back out without Loctite. Sure you could engineer screws with tighter tolerances and more threads that were finer. But then you would have people constantly cross threading screws and or stripping them out. Trust me, if there was a better way the companies would be doing it. If you think quality folding knives don't have Loctite then you must not believe high quality production folders exist in the first place.
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yes, I would expect loctite on clip screws for a chinese made knife.
 
Screwdriver said:
I see zero issues with using blue on clip screws. Also, the OP stated he had a crappy torx kit....and no mention of red.
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I thought it was fairly well established that the clip screws used blue if anything, never red - and that red was in fact reserved for pivots. But I'm getting this from a guy named Sal on the SpyderCo forum, I'm sure that Cash can straighten him right out. And I'm also sure that I don't know what I'm talking about when I recommend SnapOn torx bits and drivers because they are better quality than the variety that comes in a box of CrackerJack.
 
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RLDubbya said:
I thought it was fairly well established that the clip screws used blue if anything, never red - and that red was in fact reserved for pivots. But I'm getting this from a guy named Sal on the SpyderCo forum, I'm sure the OP can straighten him right out. And I'm also sure that I don't know what I'm talking about when I recommend SnapOn torx bits and drivers because they are better quality than the variety that comes in a box of CrackerJack.
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Hey RL!! Hope today is one of the good days my friend!!
It wasn't the OP stating that garbage about how Spydie doesn't know how to make a good knife. He was just asking questions.
It is that happy go lucky new guy with the wonderful attitude.
Ugh
Joe
 
Justice for loctite! You all need harambe in your life!!!! Good evening folks.

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madcap_magician said:
Well, you're new to the hobby. I'm sure you'll figure it out. I don't find any value in Patek Phillipe over Timex or Les Baer over Armscor, but I'm sure if I got more into guns or into watches at all, I would. Of course, until such time as I've been in a hobby for a while, I'd also refrain from throwing bombs about who is and isn't quality.

In before the lock!
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I simply talked about screws if you would like to blow it up into something else that's your problem. So I was throwing bombs, you really don't know what bombs are!
 
Blue? The two recent PM2s I disassembled used Red Loctite on all of the screws. A few tips, if you need to disassemble:
- drop the entire knife in hot/boiling water and let it sit in there for a few minutes (this helps break down the Loctite)
- if you encounter any resistance, put the knife back in the hot/boiling water
- if you are worried about the bottom of the pan damaging the scales, you can use a hanger to suspend the knife
- use a plastic bag in between the bit and the screw head (it helps prevents marring the head)
 
cash71 said:
I also know that any quality product doesn't need loctite to keep it's products parts together and if it does then the machined threading isn't engineered properly.
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I am sure the guys at NASA would love to have input on their poorly engineered threads. They use thread locking compounds as does the military, automotive and aeronautics companies. It is fine not to agree with using Loctite on clip screws but as others have indicated it is too simplistic to think of Loctite as the hallmark of poor engineering. You would not gunsmith with dollar store screwdrivers because they do not fit correctly and would damage the screws, so why use cheap drivers on a knife and then say the hardware is substandard?
 
cash71 said:
Man that's a good looking bike, how old is the picture. I'll have to find the pictures of my HD's
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I got the bike in 83....pic was 84, cause of other pictures on that day. I put drag bars on soon after that pic. BTW, I was 19. My Dad built the bike with me, and was a Police Special. I sold the bike in 94 and bought an FXR.....Now I ride a Triumph Speed Triple.
 
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