Spyderco PM2 woes

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cash71 said:
I simply talked about screws if you would like to blow it up into something else that's your problem. So I was throwing bombs, you really don't know what bombs are!
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Must have been some other new guy named cash71 saying that Spyderco isn't a quality knife maker, then.

cash71 said:
Based on what I read on this forum, Spiderco is supposed to be a quality knife maker, I don't like the looks of them so I'll never know. I also know that any quality product doesn't need loctite to keep it's products parts together and if it does then the machined threading isn't engineered properly. A knife has aprox. 4 parts, excluding grips and screws, how these few parts command the high prices they do escapes me.

As a collector of many things including guns, watches etc.etc. I don't find value in any knife over $125 if that. And any knife co. that doesn't supply quality screws, knowing the purchaser will disassemble their product shouldn't be described as a quality knife maker.
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RJDudek said:
I am sure the guys at NASA would love to have input on their poorly engineered threads. They use thread locking compounds as does the military, automotive and aeronautics companies. It is fine not to agree with using Loctite on clip screws but as others have indicated it is too simplistic to think of Loctite as the hallmark of poor engineering. You would not gunsmith with dollar store screwdrivers because they do not fit correctly and would damage the screws, so why use cheap drivers on a knife and then say the hardware is substandard?
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Now were on rockets and machinery supporting whatever point you're trying to make. You guys maybe forgot these are knives were talking about, not rockets huh

I get a kick out of many coming up with everything in the world to justify what Spyderco does rather than simply saying maybe Spyderco ( or any other Mfg) could have put some decent screws into these knives so they wouldn't need loctite. NO lets just beat up the new guy cuz he doesn't know anything.

So live with whatever Spiderco decides to do because they only make perfect knives. huh. I don't think they make perfect knives, I don't think they make good looking knives either.

I'm finished with all this silliness, I love all the tech everyone used to prove me wrong:)

To the poster that said I wouldn't make many friends. I've been on forums for almost 30 years, I'm active on over a dozen forums now, I really don't care what some of you think, I've been there and done that, because the amount of intellect involved in your threads is rather rudimentary at best.
 
cash71 said:
I get a kick out of many coming up with everything in the world to justify what Spyderco does rather than simply saying maybe Spyderco ( or any other Mfg) could have put some decent screws into these knives so they wouldn't need loctite.
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They do have screws that work just fine.
On every Spyderco that I have taken apart, I never put Loctite on when reassembling, because I personally hate Loctite.

The screws (and pivot) work just fine without it.
In fact, they have worked fine for many years for me with no Loctite.

But most manufacturers--and many users--like Loctite, so it isn't a surprise when it is on a screw or a pivot.

The presence (or lack thereof) of Loctite has absolutely zero bearing on whether it is a quality product or not.
It is an entirely different issue.
 
Definitely use a high vibration thread lock on knives, any knife you actually use. I have lots of different brands and most thread lock, the ones that don't, will sometimes mention it in a manual or if you email them. Even firearm companies, and especially firearm suppressor companies tell you to use tread lock. And suppressor threads have to be extremely precise or else you get baffle strikes.
Not comparing knives to suppressors, or saying they suffer the same abuse. Just that all threads under constant use, vibration, etc., need to be secured. Someone on here said wait till you get a decent set of torx. Good advice. After that, thread lock the pocket clip with low strength thread lock, and put the pocket clip the way you like. Medium strength works good for pivots.
That is just my experience with thread lock and Threads. I am sure other people have very different experiences.
 
Yo Mama said:
Okay you're going to have to let go of the idea that guns and knives are in the same manufacturing relm because they're totally not. Normally the pivot and handle screws will have Loctite, well as clip screws.
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Blue Loctite, yes. Not Red Loctite, which Spyderco has been using lately, to the annoyance of MANY purchasers.
 
I think my PM2 is fake now. When closed, the "G" on the "golden Colorado" is only partially visible on my knife, but bladehq'a photo of the closed knife displays the full "G".
 
I wouldn't sweat that ET. I just checked 4 of mine, 2 sprints and 2 productions. They are all different in regards to location of the G by small margins.
Joe
 
The one i have on me has the g fully exposed as well, but that might not mean anything though. If you bought it from a cert retailer you should be alright.
As for the loctite on the pocket clip screws, that just seems weird. If they didnt want people taking it off, then they shouldn't have drilled holes for 4 positions of carry. I haven't ran into any of my pocket clips loctited up yet.
Im still confused as to why they do any of them in the first place and why they started. Ive owned spydercos for almost 20 years now, and have never had a problem with any loose screws, before or after they decided to seal things up.
Almost sounds like they got too many complaints from the internet on problems that dont exist. Someone probably spine wacking the shit out of a pm2 and now their pivot is loose, lol :)
 
If they didn't want the knife taken apart they'd use pins and peen them down like a slipjoint.

There's no problem taking one apart as long as you educate yourself and use the right tools.

If you just dive right in with no planning and preparation you're gonna have a bad day.
 
Red loctite, popular methods to remove involve heat.

Spyderco warranty head actually uses a mallet to tap the screw loose from the red threadlock. Haven't tried it yet and if I ever need to I will do so carefully. Im sure theres a thousand wrong ways to do it so take it easy alright :)
 
cash71 said:
Now were on rockets and machinery supporting whatever point you're trying to make. You guys maybe forgot these are knives were talking about, not rockets huh

I get a kick out of many coming up with everything in the world to justify what Spyderco does rather than simply saying maybe Spyderco ( or any other Mfg) could have put some decent screws into these knives so they wouldn't need loctite. NO lets just beat up the new guy cuz he doesn't know anything.

So live with whatever Spiderco decides to do because they only make perfect knives. huh. I don't think they make perfect knives, I don't think they make good looking knives either.

I'm finished with all this silliness, I love all the tech everyone used to prove me wrong:)

To the poster that said I wouldn't make many friends. I've been on forums for almost 30 years, I'm active on over a dozen forums now, I really don't care what some of you think, I've been there and done that, because the amount of intellect involved in your threads is rather rudimentary at best.
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His comparison is valid, you're the one who made a giant assumption with zero experience or practical application to back up your claim. I've seen engineers design many things then when applied practically or installed, fail miserably, you can predict a football game on paper but they still play the game.
 
Pro tip; always use a good amount of downward pressure when loosening any fastener.
 
A good tip.^
I agree with Stabman, I never Loctite. I do oil any screw(s) that I'm going to remove, tho.
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