Spyderman

This thread is a perfect example of why I love it here. Intelligent discussion and debate. A thread like this only comes up once in a while, but they are rich indeed. Although I believe that the majority of the arguement falls on SPYDERMANS side, I understand and acknowledge the opposing point of view.
The only thing that I don't get is how $ buys you more leeway here. If I'm a basic member any MOD can ban me, but if I'm gold only Spark can ban me? I understand that this site requires funds to operate, and perhaps I will become a gold member soon, but that policy leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
First, i want everyone to go to Brigade Quartermasters (http://www.actiongear.com) and search for Boker.

Look at the ad for the speedlock.

you find this pic:

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and this description:

BOKER® MAGNUM BUTTON-LOCK FOLDER
Designed in Germany, this unique knife has a high-speed look and the features to match. The 420 stainless steel black Teflon-coated, partially serrated 3.25” blade locks in both open and closed positions, making it one of the safest folders available. The release is a convenient push button which, when depressed, allows you to pull or flick the blade open as well as unlock it from the open position. The button even has a safety to ensure it can’t be depressed by mistake when the knife is closed. Lightweight black coated aluminum handles are channeled for enhanced grip. Removable black belt/pocket clip. Length Overall: 8”.
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on the bottom under the pic, it says "Imported" but Not from China, Taiwan, OR Germany.

If this is misleading, then pretty much every Magnum sold is done decietfully. I was told, in the Remington store, that Magnum is made by Boker.. shoot, that guy owes me HUNDREDS in RESTITUTION for charging me more than $20!!



Spyderman,

I believe i've made an error in judgement, and i'd like to apologize and retract my statement about you.

I emailed you through the BA system using the email gonzo@xxxxx
Now i know you recieved that email, and then i replied. Apparently this is where things went horribly wrong. I don't believe you ever recieved a single email from gonzo@xxxxx much less the 5 or 6 i sent while trying to communicate with you.

However, after the auction ended, about 2 days later or so, i got an email at this addy. (xxxxxx@hotmail.com) telling me i could buy the item for my bid price. At this time, i thought, "He can't reply to my questions, yet he's more than willing to email everyone else." OK, that p#ssed me off.

I wanted the knife, and despite the fact i was VERY concerned with getting ripped off, i paid anyhow.

I'm not disappointed. The knife came quick, and it's NIB condition. I know it's also exactly what you promised and described in the auction. I've Never had a problem with your descriptions, and i don't feel you've ever been misleading. The whole Masterchef thing, frankly surprised the sh#t outta me. Compared to Tizzybea and a few other "regulars"... your auctions are among the best of em.



I should'nt have called you a moron, because i checked for return-mail reciepts, and they never went thru to your AOL email address. I should have checked that out beforehand, but it did'nt dawn on me till i read your post to masterchef. So, you are'nt guilty. You can't reply to emails you never got. I'm sorry.

If you ever need to, feel free to use me as a business reference. I did give you the benefit of the doubt in my original post about you... and asked for a picture of the knife he bought off you. See, i know the speedlocks are damn nice for the money, but i never heard of a german version... if someone wants to pay $120 for a magnum, that's his business, and to be honest... right from the start it sounded like Masterchef's buyer's remorse. Alot of auctions and sales go for crazy amounts of money, much more than what they're worth... the buyer's LACK of research on products isn't the sellers fault.

@ ALL:
Prove to me anyone ever said MADE in Germany and not Designed in Germany..... or even said Germany AT ALL!!

You ppl jump on this guy, spyderman, and a year and a half ago, supposedly the EXACT DESCRIPTION is remembered as if etched in stone. Give me a break.{/b]


Spyderman i was, and still am, willing to go to bat for you. At this point, i would no longer be hesitant to do business with you.

Hopefully, theres no hard feelings dude.
 
I'm not sure I followed all that you said, but I think you did ask the question "Prove to me anyone ever said MADE in Germany and not Designed in Germany..... or even said Germany AT ALL!!" Well below is a quote from the first post Spyderman made here, where HE says "made in Germany" In fact he was the ONLY one to claim they were made in Germany.


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Originally posted by 8 LEGGED FREAK
I am the BladeAuction seller known as the SPYDERMAN.


So I got a handle on these HOT new Bokers, Magnum SpeedLocks, made in Germany.

I told him sorry, I only had a few Clip blades left, the Tantos were sold out and I was keeping my last Tanto for myself, It was in my pocket for EDC.

I quit carrying the line. 2-3 months later the BOKER MAGNUM begins showing up on auction for around $50-60 each. What I understand is Boker was now having production outsourced to TAIWAN, and it was very evident from the blade stamp.

So that's my side of the story. I apologize for the LONG post, but I wanted anyone here to get a better understanding about what REALLY went down on that day so very, very long ago.
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Then in his 2:04 pm post of 9-24-03 Spyderman/8 Legged says:
"To whom it may concern:
I will not change my story as I told it. I purchased these knives in April 2002 as made in Germany, made by Boker, first production run."

Then at 2:55 pm that same day he posts:
"What really happened to you Masterchef?
You got a first production run Made in Germany Boker Speedmaster?
Which you wanted, which I sold you, which you were quite happy with?
First you post here just to get word of it out, then you want a refund, then you want just an apology?" (puncuation errors his not mine)


At 4:57 pm he posts this:
"If someone can tell me that none of these were EVER made in Germany, never at all, and know that for an utmost FACT, then I will know that I was misled and in turn unknowingly misled Masterchef, and a whole lotta other people too.
When that day comes that that is revealed I will return here and publicly apologize to Masterchef for misleading him..."

Hope that answers your one question about who said "made in Germany".

So far 8 Legged has been deafeningly quiet with his apology.

You said in your post:
"If this is misleading, then pretty much every Magnum sold is done decietfully. I was told, in the Remington store, that Magnum is made by Boker.. shoot, that guy owes me HUNDREDS in RESTITUTION for charging me more than $20!!"

By the definition in your post:
"much more than what they're worth... the buyer's LACK of research on products isn't the sellers fault." He doesn't owe you anything.
 
Originally posted by Matteo Escobar
The only thing that I don't get is how $ buys you more leeway here. If I'm a basic member any MOD can ban me, but if I'm gold only Spark can ban me? I understand that this site requires funds to operate, and perhaps I will become a gold member soon, but that policy leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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That's just a software bug and we'll probably figure out why it's doing that and fix it soon. In the meantime, it doesn't give gold members any leeway at all -- at most just a little time while we message Spark.
 
This is not a Gold Member versus basic or high post count versus low, this has everything to do with integrity.

When someone says something, it's their word that makes or breaks and if they are not willing to do *everything and anything* to prove their word is their bond then they are not a person of integrity and credibility.

If a friend tells me something, a friend who has established their word as their bond I believe in them unconditionally until such time as the bond is broken.

Masterchef has *NOT* done that, his word remains golden.

Spyderman's word remains suspect at best................
 
Yes Mike I am serious. :rolleyes: If you are a beter person than I am good for you that is not the point there are a lot of people better than me. All I want to do is keep growing. Can we put that sideline to bed and address what is going on here or do you want to contiune your lameness of point out B.S. rather than addressing the problem that you keep bring up.

Your posts are many times quite negative towards a situation that is not as bad as you make it out to be. You've pointed out a problem numerous times I have pointed out that it is there and part of human nature. Tell us how to change human behavior and we'll give it shot or continue on your agenda of pointing out faults without offering any suggestions on how to solve them and I will continue to respond to your negativity when I have time.

You post that negative agenda (it is not hiden) in high traffic threads in which you have no business. Your actions do have an influence on some folks (that is nowhere near the seeping generalizations you make - you grasping at straws there). And you are refusing to look at the more positive side until you are called on it.

Here is one for you to quote and respond to. The context is all there :rolleyes: (or you can continue sparing with meaningless B.S. that you do not even adhere to.

Mike if you really cared and wanted to to something about it without attracting attention, start a thread, let it stand on its own merit and lets see if we as a group can find a solution. Posting in negative threads without a suggestion is not the way to solve it. On the other hand it is a great way to continue being negative and attracting attention to yourself. Hint: If you choose to do it and start of positive with the title and contents we may actually make some progress gettting input from new members. If you choose to start of negative you will get the reaction that you currently strive for. (further negativity). Don't come back to me with I told you so if you choose option 2.:barf: You perceive it as a large problem that needs to be addressed. I do not have an answer to it since I think it is a problem that stems from human nature and I am clueless as to how to address it. Want to try to address it as a group or continue pointing it out without a suggestion on how to solve it.

You can deny and deflect all you want, but that is what you are doing.
As long as I am here I am going to call you on it. I and others will keep putting a lid on your attempts to tear this place down until you start offering suggestions. You bring up the Strider threads posted by a troll as an example of your point. It does not wash. Look again as to what was going on there and who were the major players. All I have to do is point out the CN thread and this thread and my point about the results of your posts is clearly visible. Your are trolling and being negative with no solutions in high traffic threads. It is not that hard to see.

You bring up hypothetical situations that have not happened and we try to post what we would do - useless.

The bottom line is that in this situation the seller that made a mistake is doing nothing. I do not think that is right nor am I stating what they should do. That is their business. I am not sure what you think, since you just dealing in B.S. rather than stepping back and looking at the situation and for that matter B.F. as a whole.

That is the way I see it, that is the way most mods see it and I would venture to say a lot of members also.

Your ticket has been punched. Choose your destination as to how you want to address the problem. Your past choices spell out a troll looiking to repeatly point it out. Do you want to be a part of an attempted solution or continue you contrarian ways in high traffic?

I am tired of your spars and barbs they are meaningless and unfounded other than the major point. You have made it it is true although you can not seem to grasp that I acknowlege it.


Do you want to try to solve it or keep piling on about it? Keep piling on and you will find me pointing out that the situation is evident in isolated circumstances rather than the sweeping problem you paint it to be.
 
Originally posted by Bastid
Yes Mike I am serious. :rolleyes: If you are a beter person than I am good for you that is not the point there are a lot of people better than me. All I want to do is keep growing. Can we put that sideline to bed and address what is going on here or do you want to contiune your lameness of point out B.S. rather than addressing the problem that you keep bring up.
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It only came up because you inisted on explaining exactly how you would handle the problem, and I took it from there.
If you did not want it to be an issue, then why bring it up? I guess your word was supposed to be the final word, and anyone who says different is just lame. Okay. Got it.

Your posts are many times quite negative towards a situation that is not as bad as you make it out to be. You've pointed out a problem numerous times I have pointed out that it is there and part of human nature. Tell us how to change human behavior and we'll give it shot or continue on your agenda of pointing out faults without offering any suggestions on how to solve them and I will continue to respond to your negativity when I have time.
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My posts are negative in threads that are filled with negativity, such as this one. I just don't happen to be directing my negativity at the same person everyone else is. I guess that's where I'm going wrong.

And how bad the situation is is a matter of opinion. Obviously, it's not that bad to you, but just as obviously it is that bad to me, otherwise I would not bother posting. It's disgusting even on the internet.


You post that negative agenda (it is not hiden) in high traffic threads in which you have no business. Your actions do have an influence on some folks (that is nowhere near the seeping generalizations you make - you grasping at straws there). And you are refusing to look at the more positive side until you are called on it.
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Again with this "agenda" you think I have, and apparently one that I try to keep hidden, but that you are more than smart enough to ferret out. I asked you before, what exactly do you think my "agenda" is?
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say, or what my agenda might be.

I look at the positive all the time, even without you or anyone else calling me on it.

Mike if you really cared and wanted to to something about it without attracting attention, start a thread, let it stand on its own merit and lets see if we as a group can find a solution. Posting in negative threads without a suggestion is not the way to solve it. On the other hand it is a great way to continue being negative and attracting attention to yourself.
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The problem is the herd mentality. It's not going to stop unless someone does call attention to it, and enough people get tried of it, or the ones doing it finally see how lame it is. How else would it be solved?

You can deny and deflect all you want, but that is what you are doing.
As long as I am here I am going to call you on it. I and others will keep putting a lid on your attempts to tear this place down until you start offering suggestions.
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Finally, I'm starting to get pissed off at your silly accusations. Again you insist I'm trying to tear this place down, and it's complete BS. Go talk to Spark and ban me, if that's what you think, but really, knock if off with that accusation, because it's getting old, especially coming from a moderator.

You bring up the Strider threads posted by a troll as an example of your point. It does not wash. Look again as to what was going on there and who were the major players. All I have to do is point out the CN thread and this thread and my point about the results of your posts is clearly visible. Your are trolling and being negative with no solutions in high traffic threads. It is not that hard to see.
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The nastiest, most negative, ad hominem attack filled posts in that thread are not from the troll, but from those who are feeding the troll. And never mind that the person who owns this forum has said repeatedly not to feed the trolls.

Last I saw, Mick Strider is more than capable of speaking up for himself, so the rest of the flamers in there should be told to STFU and quit feeding the trolls. Is that easy enough to grasp?
However, I don't hear anyone complaining about the negativitiy in that thread, or the people who just keep it going, and offering no solution at all.

You bring up hypothetical situations that have not happened and we try to post what we would do - useless.
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Those useless threads abound here, so sure, why not use a hypothetical. Again, it was you who felt the need to explain what you would do, implying anyone who would do less is not only wrong, but also a POS. I just went the other way with it, out of curiousity.

The bottom line is that in this situation the seller that made a mistake is doing nothing. I do not think that is right nor am I stating what they should do. That is their business. I am not sure what you think, since you just dealing in B.S. rather than stepping back and looking at the situation and for that matter B.F. as a whole.
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Yep, apparently he did screw up, and I said that already, so put your mind at ease on that.
Like I also said, neither you or anyone else here can make him do anything, so why just keep on about it?
Further, it does not matter what I think, or you think, or anyone else thinks, other than 8 legged, because it's him that has to make it right. If he wants your assistance I'm sure he'll email you to ask you what to do.

That is the way I see it, that is the way most mods see it and I would venture to say a lot of members also.
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And your point is, what?

Your ticket has been punched. Choose your destination as to how you want to address the problem. Your past choices spell out a troll looiking to repeatly point it out. Do you want to be a part of an attempted solution or continue you contrarian ways in high traffic?
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Good god, that's all you people have for a tool anymore. "Your a troll", "Your a troll"...that's it. Anyone who does not see it the way you do must be a troll. Whatever.
If I'm a troll, then stop posting/feeding me, just like Spark said to do. Is that too hard to understand?

Why not just ban anyone who can't seem to march to the beat of same drummer you and the majority do? That's really all the forums are supposed to be anyway, right? Just a place where everyone agrees, there's only one point of view, and everyone gets to be right. Anyone is a just a troll, obviously.

I am tired of your spars and barbs they are meaningless and unfounded other than the major point. You have made it it is true although you can not seem to grasp that I acknowlege it.
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And your spars and barbs are what? Your posts are full of them. You have called me a liar, you called people that emailed me morons, you called people that would email me morons, you said the majority are so dumb they can't think for themselves and are instead influenced by me, and the list goes on & on.
Somehow, you seem to think what you have done is perfectly justified, and anything I do just makes me a troll.
The mental gymnastics are unbelievable, but not surprising.

Like it or not, I am only responding in the same "tone" that you have responded to me.

Do you want to try to solve it or keep piling on about it? Keep piling on and you will find me pointing out that the situation is evident in isolated circumstances rather than the sweeping problem you paint it to be.
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There's nobody but me posting about it on this "side", so it's obviously not piling on. How much more silly is it going to get?

And again with this assertion that I say it's "rampant" and "widespread" or is a "sweeping problem". Just keep saying it like it will somehow become true, right?
It's a problem. Even you acknowledge that. I never said it was a major problem, or widespread, or even involved the majority of the members here, it's you and others that just keep on trying to say I am saying it is.
I said it's disgusting and that I feel the need to speak up when I see it happening. Evidently, you just ignore what you do not want to acknowledge, and continue with whatever it is you want to be true.
This thread is full of that mentality. Like I said before, wolfman summed it up for me quite nicely in his post.

There it is, right in this post. The solution to the problem that you acknowledge.

This thread can now sit dormant until 8 legged makes it right, or not.
 
Well, I see now that for some reason you felt the need to bring this up over in somone's thread to help yiterp out, in custom knives for sale.
That's pretty lame & petty, but I guess you can do that since you are moderator, right?

I'm sure you know there is a difference in people posting in someone's thread lamenting the fact they lost their job or commiserating in general, and say, piling on somone like CN till they have finally had enough and get pissed off, or this thread, for that matter.

That you have tried to imply that I think they are the same is just pathetic. Tired of the barbs and jabs indeed, unless of course you are the one doing it.
 
Mike you remind me of a guy in my office who is always negative and never puts thought to a solution. Pointing out something negative over and over again does not contribute. Sorry, I am a member of your evil herd. What difference does it make where I state it. You will see it again. CN conducted himself poorly before the piling on. He deserved to be banned. You can go make your own deals with him as you like, but I would be very wary. Why would you care since you do not care about what people on this board think of you. (or was that more B.S. too from you.)

I am still waiting for an example where the herd as you call them jumped on an innocent person. This is a big deal to you, but you still have not provided any evidence. In the few times I have seen it happen, apologies follow and there has not been a "herd" doing it.

Mike I offered my opinions here no ultimate truths. If you interpret my opinions as such that is your problem. What has been lame is your reaction and conclusions of trying to imply that I am holding myself up as some all-mighty deal maker. I am not. Get it. You stated that making the deal right after all this time was difficult. I provided an example to illustrate that it was not. You take that example and twist it around. My point was that making a deal right is never difficult. I provided an example. Give me a break.

You are the one who started with the barbs toward me. Check your posts in this thread. All I have done is refute the B.S. you have posted with evidence and logic in between your barbs and side bars.
I am going to refute you barbs too and send a few back. You put me in the herd. Guess what if that is what you wish to call it. I am very proud to be friends with the ones I have had the priviledge of getting to know.

My point is wrong was done, if it was me I would try to make it up that is my only point.

You do have an agenda (never said you were hiding it).
Your agend is to look for something negative regarding common human nature and make it more negative. It draws attention to you and does nothing to solve the problem. Deny all you want it is there in black and white.

You point out a problem in human nature that exists everywhere in clubs, and any group of people. It is disgusting yes, but it is human nature and your are unwilling to propose a positive solution. I have stated I don't have one, but might be able to build upon one.

I will state again that the vast majority of new members are treated with respect.

I am not implying that you are tearing this place down. You are. that is a fact not a silly accusation. You have never answered the question as to why. (you do not offer a solution so you are not making the matter better.)
Come up with a reasonable discussion on how we can change this part of human nature that has existied for centuries and I will contribute.

I will be here to emphasise that while you keep emphasising the negative and contributing towards it without offering a solution.

Do you want to be a part of an attempted solution or continue you contrarian ways in high traffic adding to the negativity and drawing attention to yourself or try to solve the problem that is so important to you?

Here is my point again Mike.

Mike if you really cared and wanted to to something about it without attracting attention, start a thread, let it stand on its own merit and lets see if we as a group can find a solution.

Posting in negative threads without a suggestion is not the way to solve it. On the other hand it is a great way to continue being negative and attracting attention to yourself.



I saw your answer.
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And again with this assertion that I say it's "rampant" and "widespread" or is a "sweeping problem". Just keep saying it like it will somehow become true, right?
It's a problem. Even you acknowledge that. I never said it was a major problem, or widespread, or even involved the majority of the members here, it's you and others that just keep on trying to say I am saying it is.
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Sorry Mike that seems to be the role you want to play by bringing it up again and again without offering a solution. You are the one saying it constantly. Right? :rolleyes:

Have you ever seen a herd Mike. It is a major group of animals not a small group. Maybe you should use the term small herd. If it is not a major problem why do you keep harping on an aspect of human nature. Seems like if that was the case you would realize you are beating your head against the wall. Could that be the reason you have not been able to come up with a reasonable solution? (and neither can I).

Mike pick my posts apart twist them around rather than address the problem with a way to solve it. Do what you wish. I am done here until I can contribute to a solution or point your your illogic when you bring it up again.

Try to find a way to make your weekend more postive.
 
Originally posted by Cougar Allen
I think we can each decide for ourselves what we would do if, for instance, we discovered we had mistakenly advertised a $25 Taiwan-made Magnum as a German-made Boker and had sold it for $120.
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Yes, and so will I.

Please first let me clarify for you Cougar and everyone else, that while I was, now decidedly, wrong on the origin, the price was never a ripoff. Very few were around on that day in 2002, and they have hit many price levels (and from what I also understand quality levels) before they reached the $25 or less mark today.

With that said, the reason I have not responded here since my last post is I have been giving this all much thought. I needed to step back for a moment and smell the roses, or so to speak. This has indeed affected me more than you will ever know.

As promised, and without further ado:

IN LIGHT OF THIS DISCOVERY THAT BOKER MAGNUM KNIVES WERE NEVER MADE IN GERMANY, NOT THEN, NOT NOW, NOT EVER-

Masterchef, I sincerely apologize for misleading you as to the true origin of this knife. I was wrong, and I am sorry.

I hope you believe that I would never have done this intentionally. That is no way at all to build a relationship with a customer, and a very bad way to establish any credibility as a seller.

At this point whether I was intentionally or mistakenly misled myself becomes something I must now further investigate. (Heads will roll :mad:) As Boker admittedly states there has been a lot of confusion over this, I find myself wondering when they sorted out the confusion amongst themselves.

NO MATTER, as was notably pointed out, the bottom line is that as the seller, I should have known my product better. While back then I am not sure if I would have readily considered myself a “dealer”, I do suppose now I fit that description quite well.
I made a bad move. Our mistakes are eventually what will make us a better person, should we choose to learn by them. This certainly has been a learning experience for me.
As a seller of any manufacturers product I will make it a constant point to remember that I am acting as an immediate and ultimately extremely liable representative of both that company and that product. I like to think of myself as fairly knowledgeable, but apparently in this situation that was never the case.

So there you have it. I messed up.
I will not edit my posts. I will not backtrack over my original story as I told it. (I was never very good at MAD LIBS :p )
It will remain for all to read and do what you will with it.
When I am wrong I will say I am wrong.
Let it be known , here and there, that I am a man of my word.

I must say when I went back to read through this thread, I found it somewhat ironic - you see, as a general rule at BladeAuction you cannot edit your listing after a bid (post?) has been placed. This is so once an item is described (or a story is told, so to speak), there is a solid record of that and noone can go back in and change things around. I had become so accustomed to that I find myself LOL now when I find myself replying and responding to a bunch of little unhappy faces.

At the end of the day, I am a knife guy just like all of you. I love this stuff, and I apologize if I have been the cause, be it directly or indirectly, of any hard-feelings between any one here as a final result of this thread. Again, it was never my intent. I could hope for nothing better than to buy you all a round and chat a bit.
I took a valuable lesson from all of this, and I am sure at least a few others did as well, in one way or the other. As I have said, and will say again, I was learning then, I am still learning now.

I am glad this was settled, however I wish some of you (and you certainly know who you are) had not made this into your vendetta to attack me personally here, via email, or anywhere else. It was totally unwarranted and uncalled for, and believe me did not help in solving anything.
There were so many other factors at play here than that simple **TAIWAN not GERMAN** point that I still feel were the initial reasons and motivation for beginning this thread against me.
There is still a much bigger picture. I came here, not in an attempt to “troll”, but rather to let you see some of that, and I hope you understand. I think some of you did.

But I digress.

Masterchef, I will be contacting you privately via email in an attempt to make this up to you.
Hopefully we can settle “out of court”.

That is about all I can say about this.
Thanks again to those who have given me the benefit of the doubt, and a chance to speak my piece here. I truly appreciate it, and will always remember it.

Today I will be listing some Primocrotech/alton (sp?) as made in USA.
I had better not see you all here in 2006 and learn different. :eek: ;)

Ciao for now.
 
Your a man of your word, you should be proud of that, and I hope everyone else appreciates it too.

Don't know where our manners were earlier, but welcome to BF. Hope you stick around and contribute in the future. If for no other reason than to see how the "love birds" work it out. (I was about to tell them to get a room! ;) )

All's well that ends well, and this ended well.
 
You were mistaken(or mislead by your supplier), you apologized and are workign to make it right. THat puts you in good, in my book.

And yes, welcome.
 
I have stayed away from these forums the past few days and here is why. My whole approach to this GBU was rude and down right stupid. I didn't handle myself properly and was embarassed of my actions.I did not read through the rest of this thread because I learned of one person who is a disrespectful member and I didn't want to learn anymore. The people that stuck by me in belief that I spoke the truth I thank you and will NEVER forget. SPYDERMAN has emailed me and has offered to make this right.I DID NOT ask for a refund or a new knife. As far as I'm concerned it has been made right and I thank you SPYDERMAN. I will ALWAYS think twice before posting and I will ALWAYS take the other persons feelings and reputation into consideration before any words are written. Thank you all!!!! Mike
 
I need a tissue. I for one, never judge a person or bussiness by their mistakes only on how they resolve them. Masterchef and 8 Legged Freak made mistakes and corrected them quite well and have earned a gold star in my book, (that and a cup of coffe won't even get you spat on by a sterno bum) but all the same my hat's off to you gentlemen.
 
masterchef-good. I am too dumb to read this whole mess- but from first hand experience, Mike is a man of his word. 100% solid. Im glad it seems this has been ironed out. I will have to fly to IL to get some good grub. I hope you werent beating the employees over this one masterchef??? :)

amen to all, and God Bless America. :D
 
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