Spyderman

Mike,

Enough with your whining, you've stated your opinion on this matter repeatedly.

And for what?

To make Bladeforums a kinder, gentler place for the newbie
too intimidated to offend the "herd"?

Please.

Not once in the two years I've been here have I seen the "herd" "pile on" someone who wasn't deserving.

When have you ever seen "the herd" wrong someone in the GBU and then sweep it under the rug and wash their hands of it?

(a specific instance would be nice, the burden of proof falls on you)

You keep talking about all this elitist debauchery.

Where and when is it happening?

Why you are the only person to bring this up?

If the elitism is so rampant why haven't others voiced their concern?

You're the only brave soul willing to go to bat for the downtrodden newbie, huh?
 
Trust, but verify. Makes perfect sense. I'm okay with it, and the people I call friends would not have it any other way.
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Funny the people I have as friends, deserve my trust not my doubt or verification because they have earned trust. I and they would not have it any other way. I am blessed with friends that have put themselves in harms way to protect me (without verification or doubt that they would do so.) That is a wonderous thing and the definition of my idea of friendship. It is seen every time we get on a class v river so it is not a rarity. If I can not earn their trust, they are not a friend.

I hope for your sake Mike that you find a better class of friends one day. Going through life dwelling on the negative not being able to trust friends is not the best way to live. (Of couse that like everything else I have written is just my opinion.)
 
I can trust my friends just fine. However, if there are two sides to a story, I insist on hearing both. My friends have no problem with that at all, and they do the same.
Being that they are just people, they understand that mistakes happen, people can be wrong, and that sometimes they don't know everything.

What a problem it must be for some of you, if two of your friends say two different things. I guess you just "disown" one, to solve the dilemma.
 
How can you trust your friends if you say "Trust, but verify. Makes perfect sense. I'm okay with it, and the people I call friends would not have it any other way."


If a situation involves me we try to solve the problem and straighten out the perception.

I don't need verification of my "friends" they deserve my trust. Sorry you dont have friends like that. It is a poor way to go through life. What a tragedy that philosophy must be for you.
 
It seems to me, that what Mike excels at is baiting you into engaging him in debate on the subjects of his choosing (which seems to be himself and his beliefs); rather than participating in constructive involvement, as illustrated in this thread. Where he fails is in his attempts to demonstrate his intellectual superiority in what he feels are esoteric subjects. YMMV

Now back on point. What, if anything was resolved as regards to the original subject of this thread?
 
Your are correct dullone, I am just trying to point out to the morons who emailed him how negative and pathetic he really is. I have learned to walk way, but Mike has an obvious agenda of tearing down this forum. I am not going to walk away from his efforts. Even if they are not intentional his effect is typically negavite on B.F. There has been too much time and effort by the majority of folks here for me to not challenge his illogical generalizations and philosophy.

Maybe we should not care at all if he ever makes deals with people who describe knives inaccurately, or those who make threats (CrazyNicky) and blame 3 day unexpected trips on 3 week delays. Na I don't think I could ever be than uncaring towards anyone.
 
Originally posted by Rhesus Feces
Mike,

Enough with your whining, you've stated your opinion on this matter repeatedly.
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Yeah, it's kinda like the other people that keep whining, is'nt it?
Over & over again, with minor little variations.
Glad you stepped in again to lend a new perspetive. Or, you could have, anyway.

To make Bladeforums a kinder, gentler place for the newbie
too intimidated to offend the "herd"?
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No, because I feel the need to make sure I'm not part of it, and speaking up is how it's done.

Not once in the two years I've been here have I seen the "herd" "pile on" someone who wasn't deserving.
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Must mean it does not happen, and that it's not just your opinion of who's deserving and who is not. Glad you are here to keep it all on the up & up.

When have you ever seen "the herd" wrong someone in the GBU and then sweep it under the rug and wash their hands of it?
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It's the piling on that's disgusting. Do you not get it?

You keep talking about all this elitist debauchery.
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Yeah, masterchef and wolfman know exactly what I'm talking about, and quite a few other peolple do also.

If the elitism is so rampant why haven't others voiced their concern?
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The only one calling it rampant is you.
It's disgusting in any amount, and does not need to be rampant for me to speak up about it.

No idea why, probaby because they realize it's just an internet forum, and when it's all said & done it does not mean anything.

You're the only brave soul willing to go to bat for the downtrodden newbie, huh?
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Speaking up on an internet forum does not require bravery, it just requires a keyboard. Or have you convinced yourself otherwise?

Lastly, if you are tired of my whining, do yourself a favor and put me on ignore.

I can never understand why people whine about threads and reading people's posts, like they were forced to do it. Develop some self control and find something else to read if this thread or my posts are not to your liking.
 
Sorry Mike,
I do not like many of your posts, but I am not about to ignore you to let you tear down efforts by many here unchallenged and I don't understand why you should think otherwise. Bottom line you are a negative poster here a lot of times and you definately need better friends.

Thank you, but I am told I have more self control than I should have. so maybe you need some social skill development as well as some understanding of human behavior.

Please oh please continue to be contrarian in threads where people have been wronged. I would rather you get the emails from morons than me.
 
We have a disagreement here. Mikemck, you say the herd trusts anybody with a high post count. Others say that's not true -- they don't pay any attention to the post count, they only trust members they personally know and believe to be trustworthy.

I propose an experiment. You have a post count of 1192, unless you post another message or two in the time it takes me to write this. Why don't you pick on someone with a lower post count, me for instance, and see if a thundering herd piles on me saying they all know you to be a man of unimpeachable integrity. Go ahead and accuse me of swindling you, just for the sake of experiment -- I don't mind. I'm not afraid of being piled on by a herd of people who believe that since you have a post count of 1192 you must be honest. Let's see if such a herd of people exists or not. :D
 
Originally posted by Bastid
Your are correct dullone, I am just trying to point out to the morons who emailed him how negative and pathetic he really is.
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Now they are morons? Because they did not mail you, or is it just because they mailed me at all?

Your posts are all full of joy & sunshine, are they, even when you are calling persons unknown, morons.

I am only responding to the implications and accusations that you and others are making in this thread now.


Or how about constructive involvement ( read: everyone pile on and stick together no matter what )

Wolfman summed up quite nicely what I have been saying all along, although I'm sure that was not his intention at all.
 
Please oh please continue to be contrarian in threads where people have been wronged. I would rather you get the emails from morons than me.
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I am not 100% sure, but I think it might be this kind of attitude that kept the new people quiet, instead of emailing the mods like you suggested.

And again you call them morons, even though you have no idea at all who they are or what they said.

Yeah, it's me that has the problem.
 
Also, I was not referring to you, being forced to read the posts. Being a moderator, I guess you really do have to read quite a few.

It was feces that I was talking about, since he was whining about my continuing to post, like he had to keep reading it.
 
Originally posted by mikemck

Now it's gone from this forum, to bladeforums as a whole?
I don't dislike bladeforums at all, and even this particular forum serves a purpose, usually.
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The reason that I made the statement that I did was because I see the same type of posts from you in every forum, not just this one.

Continue to fight your dragons. What would the world be if it didn't have its knights to defend and protect the oppressed.

I will believe and trust in a person that I have come to respect until that person gives me reason to change my mind. Maybe masterchef should have done a few things differently in his dealings with SPYDERMAN, but that does not negate the fact that the knife he bought was misrepresented. If a retailer ran an ad saying that he was selling Boker knives that were made in Germany and in truth they were not Boker knives and they were made in Taiwan, that store would be charged with using false advertising to defraud the consumer. If they were to tell the judge that they didn't know that what they had advertised was a lie, the judge would tell them that they should have. Ignorance would not be an acceptable excuse in a court of law and it isn't one here either.

If SPYDERMAN was misinformed and sold these knives not knowing that he was misrepresenting them, that is one thing. If, now knowing the facts he decides to hide his head in the sand and do nothing, that is another thing altogether and in my opinion he is not an ethical man. The fact that it happened a year and a half ago has nothing to do with it. Ethics and honesty don't have a time limit.
 
Yeah, it's me that has the problem.
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Maybe you are beginning to understand.:rolleyes:

Mike I am going to let you in on a secret, to be honest, I don't trust you and do not think you have been that involved with emails from new members. (maybe one or two, but that is it as far as what I think is true. (again right or wrong it is just my opinion.)

The facts are that you come across negative and you perpetuate that agenda often, you post in a contrarian way in threads where people have been wronged and you have not presented legitimate defense for your posts along those lines.

You also need friends who you can trust without verification.

Don't throw back a specific circumstance of a disagreement go out and make some real friends. Life is much better when you can count on friends that can be trusted instead of verified and trusted for each action or statement. Trust me on that, you may think I have been wrong in everything else I have tried to get across to you, but you are sadly mistaken if you think I am wrong on this.

P.S. I know you consider it a waste of time and effort, but you will be in my prayers tonight. Like it or not. My time and effort was obviously wasted in this thread.
 
It seems to me that the quality of the early Magnums far surpassed the latter knives. The price also reflected the better knife. As a matter of fact a friend of mine has one and still uses it daily. Here is a quote from him posting on another forum about a Magnum,
I have to say that if this thing was made in China or Asia they did one hell of a job. I use it daily and its still rock solid. Its every bit the knife that a speedlock is and actually better I think.
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He is a well respected knifemaker/customizer and I greatly respect his opinion.
Now Masterchef may feel foolish for spending what he did for the knife but, haven't we all spent more than we should on a knife at one time or another. Remember that is what those knives were going for when they first appeared on the market and the quality was there. It seems to me that MC recieved the knife and was satisfied with it, quality etc. But only became dissatisfied when the cheaper less quality items began to appear on the market. I find it hard to understand how someone can't discern a sub-quality knife from a quality knife especially someone who has been around a while.
My opinion...live with it.
 
Your opinion is more than valid, would it be easy to live with a person who sold you the knife saying it was made in Germany? Would you deal with them again? I would not because there are too many honest dealers out there who deserve my business.
 
Originally posted by ritalinkid

Now Masterchef may feel foolish for spending what he did for the knife but, haven't we all spent more than we should on a knife at one time or another. Remember that is what those knives were going for when they first appeared on the market and the quality was there.
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You have not read this thread enough to know that according to Boker USA this was always a $25.00 knife. It never had a higher price.

Edited to change from Boker to Boker USA
 
Originally posted by Keith Montgomery
The reason that I made the statement that I did was because I see the same type of posts from you in every forum, not just this one.
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Perhaps you are referring to my recent posts concerning drjones?
Yep, I dont' regret that at all, and it was really not that negative.
If that's not what you are talking about, then which posts are you talking about?

Continue to fight your dragons. What would the world be if it didn't have its knights to defend and protect the oppressed.
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Your reading way way too much into what goes on here.
I spoke up to make it clear that I don't like people piling on. It's that simple. No dragons, no "balls", no nerve. It's an internet forum for god's sake.
Just as you feel the need to post in defense/support of masterchef, I feel the need to question exactly what happened so that I can make up my mind, absent any actual proof & documentation of what happened and when.

I will believe and trust in a person that I have come to respect until that person gives me reason to change my mind
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What a coincidince! I do that too. I "trusted" masterchef just fine, until this thread, and I said so. I even said I was sorry to see him come to this, and meant it.



Maybe masterchef should have done a few things differently in his dealings with SPYDERMAN, but that does not negate the fact that the knife he bought was misrepresented.
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It's not a simple matter of having done something different. The only thing for sure is that he bought a made in taiwan knife. The rest of it is most certainly open to speculation, and I question not only his motivation in starting this thread but also the truthfulness of what he said.
You and others obviously do not.

The fact that it happened a year and a half ago has nothing to do with it. Ethics and honesty don't have a time limit.
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Yes, I agree with that as well. However, there is a reasonable amount of time to resolve a dispute.
masterchef knew of this over a year ago, and should have resolved it one way or another then.

Let a year lapse, and what is required to "make it right" is not nearly as simple as you seem to want it to be.
 
Originally posted by mikemck
Let a year lapse, and what is required to "make it right" is not nearly as simple as you seem to want it to be.
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Actually, in this case it was quite simple. In the beginning masterchef thought a partial refund was his due, but in the end all he asked for was an apology. That sounds about as simple as you can get.
 
When I said "going for" I mean on auction. Many buyers rely on auctions due to restrictions on purchases. Hell just look at the clones when they first come out. Remember the clone of the LCC those sold for $60 plus now $10 give or take. The Halo clones same thing. Those are certainly not even close to the quality of the originals nor of the first Magnums. There are always people who will want a knife when it first enters the market and will pay more than it's worth, I don't know why but it always happens. THen the market settles and the knife can be had for a fraction of what it sold for originally. That of course does include the high end knives too, it's just they don't really depreciate as rapidly or as much.
 
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