Spyderman

Originally posted by masterchef
Maybe you should have taken your own advice here.I didn't ask your opinion and you still gave it.You seem to think Spyderman's actions were ok.As for waiting as long as I did.That's my business why.Plain and simple I was emabarrased and didn't feel like sharing that.I have always looked out for the best interest of this community and have proven it in my actions not my post count.
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So unless ppl are agreeing with you, or giving you "respect", to use your term, you do not appreciate their opinion and would prefer that they not say otherwise? Just want the usual pile on without anyone coming along to spoil it?

I did not post in this thread until I read both sides of the story. For most though, just one side was obviously more than enough, and always will be. Bizarrely, they seem proud of this behavior!
Even then, if 8 legged had indeed apparently screwed you, I would not have bothered posting.
Like I said though, if what 8 legged says is true, it does not sound to me like you got screwed at all.

Is what he is saying true, or is it not?

In all honesty, it really makes no difference to me at all how long you waited. I just found it odd that you would leave the people you call friends in the dark about someone you thought was a ripoff, when there was a very good chance they would come into contact with him. Most here on bladeforums do not exist in a vacuum, and are quite likely to visit other knife sites, just as you did.

As always, what it really comes down to is this:

Is what 8 legged saying true, and it that what happened, or is is not?

I have nothing at all against you personally. I always want to hear both sides, no matter who it concerns.
 
No this is not true what you say,I only quoted you. I dont mind anyone's opinion and I dont mind people disagreeing with me.As for you taking the term "RESPECT" lightly
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Oh okay, well when you said :

Maybe you should have taken your own advice here.I didn't ask your opinion and you still gave it
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Which was quite different than what you said to the many who immediately agreed you must have been screwed, it certainly looked like you did not appreciate anyone with a different opinion.

There's a big difference between respect and blind loyalty and believing whatever someone says without ever hearing the other side of the story.
Evidently, quite a number of ppl can't see the difference and or don't care.
Not particularly surprising because I have seen plenty of it in my life, so it's not just some net thing.
I did not believe or disbelieve what you said. I simply waited until I read what 8 legged had to say, which is quite different than what you wrote.

Specifically :

NOW its AUGUST of 2002. I get my first email from PASTAMAN (Masterchef) saying I really ripped him good, now he can buy one at half the price (not in those exact words but from what I can remember to summarize here). Suddenly I'm a "matchstick" man. Now please note this: a disappointment in the knife itself was never expressed, and a refund was never requested - just a regret and/or anger that the price paid was too much and now they are cheaper kind of thing.
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That is not true? You are saying he is flat out lying?
 
Mike,

I think part of the reason people are willing to take masterchef's word for it is the fact that he's such a well respected member here.

He has never been anything but honest and friendly and a TON of people, myself included, will vouch for him because they know this firsthand.

I personally will take the word of a respected forum member over that of someone whose motivation within this community is making money.

Why are you making it your cause to stick up for a dealer with a "buyer beware" policy and a "holier than thou" attitude?
 
mikemck it seems to me as if you would stand by the side of someone who has not proven themself trustworthy and honest as oppose to someone who has. I am not asking for ANYONES approval or support I am just telling my experience and a bad one at that.Do what you like with my info!! Thanks for your support!! Mike
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No, I'm not standing by anyone's side, especially on an internet forum. The fact is, I could pass either you or 8 legged on the street and never know who you were in real life.
Support is not about believing you just because you post here and could never be wrong, and heaping scorn on the other guy because he just got here.
I don't blindly believe people I know and like in real life, and they are just fine with it.

I just want to hear both sides of any story I take time to read or pay attention to.
It also makes me at best uneasy and really, a bit queasy, when ppl could care less what the other side has to say, which this thread and many others here in GB&U are full of. I actually think it's getting worse here lately, but I could be wrong.

I have no idea why the guy would remember an email from 1 year ago, anymore than I have any idea why you would wait a year to alert your friends. I would neither remember the email or wait a year.
I do know perceptions of what actually happened can get a bit distorted over time.

He says this & you say that. No actual emails to provide any proof either way.
What I think is it's probably something in between what you two say it is. I seriouly doubt anyone is intentionally lying.
 
Originally posted by Rhesus Feces
Mike,

I think part of the reason people are willing to take masterchef's word for it is the fact that he's such a well respected member here.
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That may be, but it's obvious they never cared if they heard the other side of the story or not.
Once masterchef said he had been screwed, it was a fact for them.

He has never been anything but honest and friendly and a TON of people, myself included, will vouch for him because they know this firsthand.
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I personally will take the word of a respected forum member over that of someone whose motivation within this community is making money.[/quote][/b]

This community as in Bladeforums, or the entire knife community?
Really, I just can't go along with that, either way.
All the dealers are suspect, compared to those who are not?

Why are you making it your cause to stick up for a dealer with a "buyer beware" policy and a "holier than thou" attitude?
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I'm not making anything my cause, other than taking time to try to determine for myself what the truth of the matter is.
Honestly, I think some ppl are so invested in some kind of in-crowd mentality that questioning the veracity of anyone with a post count of more than 500 is just out of the question.

Nobody even asked if what 8 legged said was true, because they did not care. Probably never even occured to them that it could in fact be true, because masterchef said something different, and that's all they needed to hear from the start.

And, his policy does not look like buyer beware to me. Looks like he pointed out that ppl paid what they were willing to pay, which is just how it should be. That's commonly understood around here, until of course everyone wants to conveniently ignore it.
 
Exactly how long did you wait masterchef, before you expressed any displeasure or ask for your money back?

How long did he ignore emails from you, complaining about the knife he sold you?

Reading 8 legged, it sounds like it was months before he heard back from you, and then it was only to say that you thought you had paid too much.
 
Originally posted by 8 LEGGED FREAK
I am the BladeAuction seller known as the SPYDERMAN.


So I got a handle on these HOT new Bokers, Magnum SpeedLocks, made in Germany.

I told him sorry, I only had a few Clip blades left, the Tantos were sold out and I was keeping my last Tanto for myself, It was in my pocket for EDC.

I quit carrying the line. 2-3 months later the BOKER MAGNUM begins showing up on auction for around $50-60 each. What I understand is Boker was now having production outsourced to TAIWAN, and it was very evident from the blade stamp.

So that's my side of the story. I apologize for the LONG post, but I wanted anyone here to get a better understanding about what REALLY went down on that day so very, very long ago.
Ciao.
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This seems simple enough to resolve. From the above, Spyderman says the knife he had and sold to Masterchef was "Made in Germany"

Masterchef contends that the knife he recieved was made in Taiwan.
If Masterchef could post a picture of the blade stamp on his knife, I think this whole matter could be cleared up.
 
Originally posted by masterchef
Well I'll help you to understand who's lying and who's not since you dont seem to believe either side. I was promised a GENUINE GERMAN MADE BOKER AND GOT A TAIWAN POS COPY does that sound clear enough for you?:eek:
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Yes, he did clearly say the thing was made in Germany, and you say it was made in Taiwan.

Post a pic of the thing, and that should be easy enough to clear up any doubts at all, and would seriously damage his credibility.

However, I would still like to know how long you waited to express displeasure with it, and how long he ignored your emails.
 
Looks like this will now, never get beyond a "He said...she said"

But WTH, let's take a vote! FWIW, my gut vote goes to the Chef.... but then again, I thought O.J. was guilty.

Been fun but I gotta go.:)
 
Masterchef

Your reply right before my last post was posted while I was still composing mine. And you brought up a very valid point in it, does anyone know of this Boker Model being made other than in Tiawan?


I was just trying to add a little levity (apparently VERY little) with my comments about a vote, I wasn't serious, sorry if you misunderstood. (But I did have you way ahead in the polls ;) )
 
Masterchef,
I know you are an honest guy, I've read many of your posts as well as a lot of feedback concerning you. However, I think you may have gone a little overboard on this whole situation. After a year and a half I think that the statute of limitations on a vaguely shadey knife deal has definately expired. Now before you tell me to mind my own beeswax, this is a public forum. By starting this thread you clearly wanted public intervention and opinion. I am in no way defending SPYDERMAN, I just think you should have chocked it up to a lesson learned.
 
I know that this sounds pretty petty at this point and rest assured that I am not attempting to fan the flames here but I'm curious as to if SPYDERMAN was the female subject referred to earlier in this thread or if she was an unfortunate similar ID.

Stuart
 
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