Steel quality and snobbism.

hardheart said:
Because you have to sharpen 1095. The manual labor of stooping over sharpening equipment will cause cartilage breakdown in all joints, hence the arthritis. The rapid breakdown of the pitifully inadequate steel mixed with the copious amounts of sharpening abrasive in the air from your constant resharpening of your ever-dull blades will lead to black lung. Having to sharpen 24-7 even in poor lighting conditions will cause cataracts. Think of your health, buy S90V or better. Definitely avoid VG10, Aogami Super, S30V, CPM154, Infi, 3V, D2, and all other steels lacking the wear resistance necessary to do what stone, glass, bronze, and iron did for centuries.
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That is the most awesome arguement against 1095 I have ever heard:D
You should start hangin out over in the shoptalk forum your refreshing outlook would be appreciated by those of us with a sense of humor.
But seriously, you stated the facts :thumbup:
 
hardheart said:
Because you have to sharpen 1095. The manual labor of stooping over sharpening equipment will cause cartilage breakdown in all joints, hence the arthritis. The rapid breakdown of the pitifully inadequate steel mixed with the copious amounts of sharpening abrasive in the air from your constant resharpening of your ever-dull blades will lead to black lung. Having to sharpen 24-7 even in poor lighting conditions will cause cataracts. Think of your health, buy S90V or better. Definitely avoid VG10, Aogami Super, S30V, CPM154, Infi, 3V, D2, and all other steels lacking the wear resistance necessary to do what stone, glass, bronze, and iron did for centuries.
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Hmmmm....my favorite work knife for years was a Cold Steel plain edge voyager that I bought for around 40$, while I worked in a packaging/shipping warehouse, and 2 retail stores in the freight recieveing/stocking dept. I used it everyday, cutting large amounts of cardboard, rope, twine, shrink wrap, MDF, thick plastic banding on plywood bundles, drywall, tape of various types, also dropped it on several occasions on concrete, tile, wood, metal etc. All it needed was once or twice a week was about 30 sec to a minute of touch-up sharpening(I know, I must have lung disese now...COUGH!!!). It never had a chipped or rolled or dented edge, or broken tip(OH NO!!! My arthritic finges are locking up...I'd better finish this fast!!!! UH OH!!! Vision blurring...DAMN YOU CATARACTS!!!!). And the only reason I don't still use it is because I sadly lost it. But you're right I should have spent 3-4 times that amount for an S90V blade that only needed sharpening every 2 weeks then I wouldn't need a new lung, new eyes, and new prosthetic hands.
 
What...no medial and lateral epicondylitis? You guys are asleep at the wheel! :p
 
Dave Behrens said:
...(I know, I must have lung disese now...COUGH!!!). It never had a chipped or rolled or dented edge, or broken tip(OH NO!!! My arthritic finges are locking up...I'd better finish this fast!!!! UH OH!!! Vision blurring...DAMN YOU CATARACTS!!!!).
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Blues said:
What...no medial and lateral epicondylitis? You guys are asleep at the wheel! :p
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Fascinating :) So, what exactly are we questioning here, the statement(apparently that's not a fact) that iron, silicon, other abrasive dusts and chemicals, heavy metals, etc are harmful for your health?

Yeah, my grandpa smoked till he was 86, sure we can conclude smoking isn't harmful either, and certainly it can't cause lung cancer.
 
Blues said:
What...no medial and lateral epicondylitis? You guys are asleep at the wheel! :p
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It doesn't matter now, remember I have hook hands now. Now I have to bite the handle, and blindly scrape my Diamond stone. My jaw a neck get pretty tired. Instead of oil or water I just cough blood and mucus on the stone.:D
 
Gator, I think the most important message is that it's still okay to have a little fun...doom and gloom notwithstanding. I could be wrong. Won't be the first time.

(Me, I like all the steels. I'm just funny that way.)
 
Gator97 said:
Fascinating :) So, what exactly are we questioning here, the statement(apparently that's not a fact) that iron, silicon, other abrasive dusts and chemicals, heavy metals, etc are harmful for your health?

Yeah, my grandpa smoked till he was 86, sure we can conclude smoking isn't harmful either, and certainly it can't cause lung cancer.
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What he basically said was sharpening knives causes cancer, arthritis, and blindness. So by his own words S90V does as well, as any blade no matter what the steel needs sharpening eventually. I don't even think I need to seriously comment any further on just how abjectly absurd his original statement is. I will defer to sarcasm. All in good fun mind you:D
 
Yeah, I understand that much, still haven't thrown away my Aogami Super and other blades.
 
The argument of "what worked 100 years ago should be just fine today" is silly. You can bet your butt the mountain men and trappers had the best gear they could find/afford. They didn't use rocks and bone tools because they were good enough for their ancestors. They used the modern tools of their time. Just like us. Not to mention they used their knives differently then most today. Batoning a knife would have been thought of as silly and yet some knives are even made with that in mind. I wonder how much knife work they actually did with fixed blades to be honest. Almost every instance I've read, other then the odd "and he killed a grizzly", is that the knife was used on food. Heck I've even read that the idea of a "patch" knife came from people re-enacting mtn men then actual use in the fur trade.

All that said my most used knife is a SAK soldier which is in my pocket right now. I have one super steel knife and it sits in a drawer most of the time. Sad. :( I'm with the inuit guy. I'd rather a knife was easy to sharpen then hold it's edge forever. Really the only snobbish thing I have regarding knives is if the knife is dull or sharp. Show me a dull or damaged knife and I'll make fun of you. Gently of course. :D
 
I rarely fuss about steel. I buy knives from Reputable USA Shops/Manufacturers...or if overseas, in-house made (not outsourced). This typically affords me quality build, quality materials, & quality heat treat. I prefer stainless over high carbon. I prefer modern materials such as Titanium & G10. With my criteria it's pretty hard to avoid fancy pants steels. I don't have a knife collection. I have a knife selection. I use them all (12 currently I think). Generally if I'm trying out a new knife i will also carry something to compare it to. Through use and testing they constantly edge each other out. If a knife comes out that floats my boat I will likely sell one or more of these at a bit of a loss since I never sell LNIB (like new in box). If I buy a knife for X$ and sell it at a 20% loss it would be an inexpensive cost of recreation for anyone I know even if it was unhealthily often. I can afford expensive/high quality knives. I cannot afford ingeniously thought out, supremely crafted mechanical paperweights.

There is definitely something to be said about a fella/dame who buys a decent knife, uses it, and only seeks replacement when it's no longer functional. However... that's not why I'm here and probably not why 99% of us are here. I'm here to experience knives in all their facets. I'm not looking for "what works." I'm looking for "what's what."
 
This conversation should move along and make a very specific distinction between impact-resistant steel & good edge-retention steel, two different animals.
For example S30V may have a good edge-retention but as impact-resistant its worth less than zero...and thinking that a very common steel series like 10XX will outperform S30V as impact-resistant go every time its just...outrageous! S30V today is most use for makin folders...The funny thing is that people realized this after many years of forums BS and good marketing...when you thinking about super steel & snobbism, think again because reality may be different
 
At the end of the day sharp metal all have one thing in common; They get dull, then you have to resharpen them. So no matter if it's s90v or 440c you're going to need a sharpening stone.
 
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