Strider Knives, Game Over!

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Interesting web surfing today, threads being locked, SOCNET itself being attacked.

Kool-Aid must be highly addictive????

Of course SOCNET is being attacked. That is what fanatical supporters do when they have no real defense. They attack the messenger. It's an age old strategy. I guess everybody is out to get Mick, Duane and Strider Knives. It is a massive conspiracy on the part of all concerned to destroy Strider Knives and all those associated with it, or so they would like you to believe.
 
Of course SOCNET is being attacked. That is what fanatical supporters do when they have no real defense. They attack the messenger. It's an age old strategy. I guess everybody is out to get Mick, Duane and Strider Knives. It is a massive conspiracy on the part of all concerned to destroy Strider Knives and all those associated with it, or so they would like you to believe.

I think this is a possible misrepresentation. Careful with the broad brush.
 
I think this is a possible misrepresentation. Careful with the broad brush.

Why? I have seen it many times in the past. People that have no real defense attack the messenger. It has been done dozens of times in this thread and in the previous one. It is a way of distracting people from the real issues.

Maybe you think I am saying that I think it is a massive conspiracy to destroy Strider Knives and all those associated with it? That is not my meaning at all. The people that think that are the ones attacking SOCNET. They are doing that out of a lack of having any real ammunition.
 
What I mean is that I have not read any attacks on SOCNET. I think it was a troll.

Where are the attacks posted? I haven't seen them on the two forums I was following.
 
What I mean is that I have not read any attacks on SOCNET. I think it was a troll.

Where are the attacks posted? I haven't seen them on the two forums I was following.

My apologies if in fact there have been no attacks on SOCNET, but after having seen how so many folks went after POWNET when they obviously posted the truth, I did not find it at all hard to believe that those same people would attack SOCNET.

My comments are not directed at those that support Strider, but only at those that do so in a fanatical manner. Those that will not accept the facts, but instead try to discredit those that present honest facts. I feel the same way about those that felt it was necessary to try to dishonor people like Chuck Mawhinny.
 
So it's ok to insult a decorated Marine Sniper who served honorably in Vietnam just because he is endorsing a knife? What he is doing may not agree with you, but it in no way calls for him being called a whore.

I do not see where Chuck M's past accomplishments are being called into question in any way. They speak for themselves as far as I am concerned. And do you really mean to imply that this has anything to do with "endorsing a knife".

What I read being called into question is his association with a poser and a now proven poser.
Granted, he may not have known about Duane and time will tell whether or not he will / does sever the endorsement of two posers.

And just in general..... past accomplishments, no matter who you are or what they were.... do not give someone a "pass" or "get out of jail free" card for future choices.

What he does or doesn't do is not my concern.... so whether or not it agrees with me is not in question. FTR, I never called hin a whore. That would not be my choice of words.

I have no idea what Mr. Mahwinny's relationship is with Strider Knives is, so I cannot venture a guess in describing their business relationship. I don't know if his knife endorsement is done to help a friend or for purely financial reasons.

Me either..... ????


Main Entry:
1whore Listen to the pronunciation of 1whore Listen to the pronunciation of 1whore
Pronunciation:
\ˈhȯr, ˈhu̇r\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English hore, from Old English hōre; akin to Old Norse hōra whore, hōrr adulterer, Latin carus dear — more at charity
Date:
before 12th century

1: a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : prostitute; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
2: a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3: a venal or unscrupulous person

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I think we can rule out the #1 & #2 definitions, as such this only leaves definition #3. In my opinion, I don't think he is an unscrupulous or venal person just because he endorses a Strider knife.
OK... that's your opinion and you are surely entitiled to it.

I neither condemn or condone Duane Dwyer. I only know a small amount of the story & I don't think it is my place to judge his actions.

I totally condemn what he has done.... no question about it.
But hey, I don't "judge" him either ...cause like you... it isn't my place. That is what the Legal System will be doing... we shall see how it treats him .... most likely.

My complaint here has mostly been with Tamishigiri/Lance. He clearly has an agenda to hurt Strider Knives & anyone who is associated or supports them. He's not here to make posts about the "Truth" he is here to inflict harm. The fact that his posts may contain truth is circumspect to his chance to revel in any Strider Knives misfortune. Right now there are a lot of people hurt over all these accusations & Lance seems to be enjoying their misery.

Whoaaa, BACK UP. You have no way of knowing what his "agenda" may or may not be.... you sir, are only speculating because what he says does not agree with you. It makes no difference who brought this up nor for what reason. None of that changes what the Facts are.

Whether or not Lannce is enjoying himself has nothing to do with it either... so why bring it up?
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It appears that the posting on the other forum wasn't really an attack on SOCNET, just an attempt to make it appear that they don't have the information needed to really know what is going on. Once again, just like back a year ago, there was an inference that there will be more coming out about this in the future that will set everything straight. Nothing has come out to show that anything posted about Mick a year ago was incorrect, and I fully expect that will be the case this time as well.
 
I do not see where Chuck M's past accomplishments are being called into question in any way. They speak for themselves as far as I am concerned. And do you really mean to imply that this has anything to do with "endorsing a knife".

What I read being called into question is his association with a poser and a now proven poser.
Granted, he may not have known about Duane and time will tell whether or not he will / does sever the endorsement of two posers.

And just in general..... past accomplishments, no matter who you are or what they were.... do not give someone a "pass" or "get out of jail free" card for future choices.

What he does or doesn't do is not my concern.... so whether or not it agrees with me is not in question. FTR, I never called hin a whore. That would not be my choice of words.



Me either..... ????




Websters ?



OK... that's your opinion and you are surely entitiled to it.



I totally condemn what he has done.... no question about it.
But hey, I don't "judge" him either ...cause like you... it isn't my place. That is what the Legal System will be doing... we shall see how it treats him .... most likely.



Whoaaa, BACK UP. You have no way of knowing what his "agenda" may or may not be.... you sir, are only speculating because what he says does not agree with you. It makes no difference who brought this up nor for what reason. None of that changes what the Facts are.

Whether or not Lannce is enjoying himself has nothing to do with it either... so why bring it up?
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Because he is calling Mr. Mahwinney a whore & insulting anyone that seems to be associated with Strider Knives. Might you only be supporting what he says because it agrees with you? Most of what he has said had nothing to do with Duane Dwyer's background, which was the original point of this thread. There is nothing to be gained by some of the vindictiveness towards others that has been displayed in this thread. Post the original statement & follow it with supporting evidence is all that is necessary.

The knife community gains nothing by dividing itself into different camps & calling each other names. This whole mess started as a argument between Strider Knives & Kevin McClung. It went on to include Cold Steel, Blade Forums, & USN. There was mention of the whole debate in BLADE magazine. It's polarized both sides enough that I would not be surprised if there was an altercation between people involved.

All I wish is that people would stop the mud-slinging & name calling just because of a person's choice to buy a certain brand of knife.
 
Its obvious this will NEVER end. I am horrified at myself for even bringing Chucks name up before, but Im sure you all would have dredged it up on your own.
Sure it will end .......once it ALL has time to hit the fan and most likely get settled in a different variety of Legal Venues... then it will .. grind to a halt.

Hey bud... so you "horrified" yourself... but for heavens sake don't try to say you did it because you knew others would "dredge it up" on their own...:confused:
That is kind of "silly" sounding.......

I guess Chuck has to die in abject poverty to gain your respect as Mr. Hathcock did.

Of course not... he already had "the respect"..... but it is up to him not to lose it.

Also, I would hope the bringing up of "abject poverty" was not an attempt to bring any disgrace upon Gunny Hathcock.

If Mr. Mawhinny made some money, or got free fare to a show, that instantly makes him a prostitute and or a whore? Im sorry but like I said you cant possibly know his motives, or what he knows or knew about anyone, or what he made or didnt make on the word of a man with an agenda. Im am almost certain we will not be seeing ANY of these guys on the History channel as you will Chuck. I guess "books" and Myspace is cool enough nowadays.

Take a deep breath..... of course there is nothing wrong with endorsing or getting paid for endorsing something. I still fail to see where anyone said that was wrong.....
What is being done as I read it...... is questioning the endorsement and / or business association of someone of Chuck M's caliber with the poser guys.

I will now let you "men" jump back on your chariots and continue to drag Duane, and Chuck around the city. Achillies would be proud, but I find it disgusting.
Well Trace...... you chose to jump in here.. nobody made you. IF you find it that disgusting why are you here at all.

I find the "posing" disgusting.........

Like I said, if this is all true I am dissapointed, but it doesnt change anything for me. WHat you guys think of me doesnt change a thing. I havent taken an order on a knife for over 2 years, Im not looking for business. I just think its appauling the lengths people will go to when they have an axe to grind.

You are indeed "dissapointed" then sir.
2 years.... sounds like business is good...... :thumbup:
Yeah, I agree.... posing is appauling and it is even more appauling the lies and deception posers will perpitrate to try to keep their dirty little secret from showing it ugly head......

You guys knock yourselves out.. Im going to go watch the Superbowl.
Enjoy yourself........
 
As a former Marine scout/sniper, I have nothing but the highest respect and admiration for a man such as Chuck Mawhinny.

Seth, how do you feel about Duane Dwyer? I mean, isn't that what this thread is about? Do you have the highest respect and admiration for him too?
 
Seth, how do you feel about Duane Dwyer? I mean, isn't that what this thread is about? Do you have the highest respect and admiration for him too?

How do you feel? Your posts do suggest dissappointment/ anger, but you haven't really said what your feelings are.

I am disspappointed. I had hoped that this would not turn out the way it has in the end.

I am not really angry, though. I do hope that the SKI shop can turn its direction to focusing on knifebuilding and perhaps be recognized for some of the things they do well. Move beyond the drama so to speak.
 
Because he is calling Mr. Mahwinney a whore & insulting anyone that seems to be associated with Strider Knives. Might you only be supporting what he says because it agrees with you? Most of what he has said had nothing to do with Duane Dwyer's background, which was the original point of this thread. There is nothing to be gained by some of the vindictiveness towards others that has been displayed in this thread. Post the original statement & follow it with supporting evidence is all that is necessary.
I don't necessarily support what he says.... I support his absolute right to say it.

"Agrees with me"..... again, not necessarily... I have already said earluer that "whore" would not have been my word of choice.

And as far as sticking to the question of DD on this thread...... you may as well face the facts, a big portion of what was said on this thread had nothing to do with that.

The knife community gains nothing by dividing itself into different camps & calling each other names. This whole mess started as a argument between Strider Knives & Kevin McClung. It went on to include Cold Steel, Blade Forums, & USN. There was mention of the whole debate in BLADE magazine. It's polarized both sides enough that I would not be surprised if there was an altercation between people involved.

I agree, the division is sad. But I also think the BS of the two posers played a big part in that division.

If they had cared so much for the "knife community", you would think they woukd not have scammed it as they have.

They should be real proud of themselves.

All I wish is that people would stop the mud-slinging & name calling just because of a person's choice to buy a certain brand of knife.
Once again..... it was not about the knife or the brand of knife....
 
I am not really angry, though. I do hope that the SKI shop can turn its direction to focusing on knifebuilding and perhaps be recognized for some of the things they do well. Move beyond the drama so to speak.
For the upteenth time, SKI IS recognized for what they do in terms of making knives. They have some very loyal fans for their knives, to the exclusion of fans of THE WAY.

What they need is a successful strategy for getting beyond the public disclosure by several veteran's forums that their supposed darring do in our nation's service was dramatically misrepresented.

Some "drama."

And (Please correct me as needed those who have made a hobby of this.) I thought it "all" started with Mr. Strider's attack on someone other than Mad Max (Chris ___?), which drew a lawsuit, which resulted in the bubble bursting on Strider's military rep. But for that, as someone has observed, we might not be here discussing the shattered reputations of the principals at SKI.
 
While I may not be the smartest or most educated, Teacher you sir would have to study to be a retard. Its no wonder we have such a problem with education in this country.

How you get me trying to discgrace Carlos Hathcock out of what I said is just beyond me. He is one of my all time hero's! I was speaking to him dying a poor man. If he had the inclination maybe he could have made some money endorsing products he trusted.
There would have been nothing wrong with that, and maybe it might have even helped him a great deal. Seriously Im just dumbfounded how you get that out of what I said.

Figive my QUOTE-FOO but the other point was one of hindsight.. I was intially "horrified" because it brought Chucks name into this mess. But as a friend pointed out to me, you all would have done it on your own. Just as soon as one of you happened along the Chuck Mahwinny knife in your investigation of anyone who ever shook hands with Mick or Duane.

As I said what brought me back into this was someone calling a living legend like Chuck a whore. To me that was lower than low.

And on your second to the last point, Yes business IS good. If you ever need anything dont let me know.

I will now excuse myself from this while you all get on with whatever it is your doing.
 
This just up.
http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showpost.php?p=968012&postcount=27


And this. Not sure what I think about this new pdf file on POW. It sure reads like, "hey the guy gives us free knives and has for the last umpteen years, so lets overlook this other stuff ". I'm not sure thats what the intent was but it sure comes off as defending Duane while doing some butt kissing of his own all the while using that very term for others that said these things about Duane in interviews and blogs. I also find it a bit funny at the hint that Duane is not being responsible for blogs and articles written about him which he had full knowledge about from being interviewed and also surely having copies of them in his own collection. Its pretty funny in a bad way hinting of cover up if you ask me, but I've only just read it a couple of times. I may have to go back over it and see if I feel the same later. It strikes me as odd for reasons I have not quite put my finger on just yet also. I'm a little surprised at this being in writing. I don't think it speaks very highly of SgtMaj. Skiles here, or at least that is my thoughts right now.

http://www.pownetwork.org/pownet.secure/strider_knives_usmc_feb_2008.pdf

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