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Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Bubbanumber1, Dec 16, 2007.
Can you just hear the "OH NO the FREE STUFF is going to run out!" in the tone of his email?
While the results were not what I was expecting or hoping for, I would like to take this time to ask you to pass on a thank you to Silverbullet and anyone else who helped in SOCNET's investigation. I see no reason to dought your results as the only agenda you all had was keeping the integrety of Scout Snipers unblemished.
To everyone else have a good day, I think I will take some time off the forums while I digest this and let it perk through my brain. We all know that might take a while as I am awful dense.
I dont. I know Bill Skiles and have worked side by side with him. Bill Skiles is an honorable man and a fucking warrior. Be careful what you say.
Ditto on all of the above for Chuck. I know and have worked side by side with Chuck Mawhinney. He is one of the most humble and honorable warriors I have ever met. If he is repping for Strider Knives, I'd say he probably has no clue about this whole internet drama. He's not the dramatic type. If Chuck wanted to make money on his experiences he had 30 years in which to do so and chose not to. I'll make sure in the near future that he is informed of the situation.
I would suggest to all of you to leave both men out of this drama. Both have served this country in an exemplary manner many many times. Both have BTDT many times over. To question the integrity or credibility of either man only makes you look like an idiot. I understand your situation with DD, but neither of these men are DD or MS and neither should have their integrity questioned by anonymous people on an internet forum.
Wilco. I'll pass it along to those who did the legwork. I am not a Marine so I did very little in this whole thing but am glad that SOCNET has the resources to find out the truth.
To make the above statement only makes you look like an idiot. Do you possibly think for a nano second that these two men are the ONLY two men that served their country in honor?
There are millions that have served their country in honor, and I'm one of them. Since I am one who has been there and done that, and I have walked the walk and can talk the talk, I for one am not happy with the attitude of the SGM or that of the S/SA or that of Chuck M.
It appears that Strider and Company bought their way through everything and everyone hand their hands out to include Chuck M., the USMC S/SA and the USMC S/SIS.
Its time to pay the fiddler, the game is over and let the chips fall. My suggestion to you is, get out of the way.
If Strider Knives is made up of a wannabee and a felon, why do Skiles and Mawhinny support them with endorsements and/or apologies like that ridiculous email? Out of the goodness of their hearts?
Are you planning to attack everyone who has ever been fooled by Mick & Duane? In what order? You're going to have a long list of people to attack, but if you do it in alphabetical order you'll get to me early on. I used to run around the forums telling people to buy a Strider knife and saying they're good guys. So did a couple of thousand other people around here....
No. you are missing the point. Night Night time..
So have I. BFD. :jerkit: And no, nowhere did I suggest that. The point is that I doubt that either of these very honorable men had a clue about any of this bullshit. I assure you that Bill Skiles hasn't. Bill has been too busy killing bad guys in Iraq to worry about it. If Strider wants to give away a free knife to a Marine who did a good job, or a Ranger who just lost two legs to an IED, then I doubt they saw a problem with that if they are unaware of MS or DD's status. For you or anyone else to question their integrity because they accepted donations or worked a small gig for these guys without knowing what was going on is cowardly and cheap. The bottom line is that YOU didn't know either until the past few days whether or not the guy was a fake or not, so why would they?
But, don't let me or reason stand in the way of your righteous indignation. Let's start lining anyone up against the wall who ever bought a knife from them. Or whoever sold them the steel.
I have nothing but contempt for both of those assholes. But I'm not going to crucify everyone around them because they were swindled or misinformed.
I'm done with this. Back to getting ready to deploy. You're an idiot, so I'll take your advice and get out of your way so you can prove it.
Thank you. Where do these people come from?
I think the point is that we simply don't know what these people are aware of. Is it hard to imagine that some of these older soldier types don't bother with the internet much? As long as MS & DD seemed to be vetted, hung out with the right types and talked the talk, it would be easy enough to take them at their word. It's not these *true* soldiers fault if they got conned too. At this point, imo, the spotlight should be solely on Mick and Duane. All this other stuff is just bullshit...
This is a good point Jose.
I'm am not sure thats what I see or hear. I guess I am against a free pass to anyone regardless of credentials but that doesn't mean I judge them or myself any for thinking that way. I just don't think a double standard is in order.
I did say that I was not sure how I feel or what I think of that letter from Sgt Maj. Skiles. I'm also not aware of who Sgt. Maj. Skiles is, nor do I know anything about him at all, or at least I didn't. Now I only know what Sharky just shared with us. I simply read what I posted and commented on it with my honest feelings at the time based on my first impression and I do believe I was careful how I said it also leaving myself room for correction or change of heart.
I agree that we should not be judging Chuck or condemning anyone for their choice of friendships, or associations. Nor should we be jumping to conclusions about their motivations or what they know or do not know.
Lastly, Sharky I want to thank you for your efforts here and also those of SOCNET as well as thank your contacts at HQMC. No disrespect intended to you on my part and no disrespect intended to your comrades.
Recriminations against folks who backed the Strider guys are rather pointless with a few notable exceptions for those who had a hand in stacking the BS, particularly in the gun and knife rags.
The Marines who wrote are telling the truth IMO. Why would DD take that kind of chance and try to BS a real USMC S/S? One series of inconvenient questions and the bubble is burst hard.
It's the rest of the world that got taken for a flight to Fantasy Island. The impression in the public at large that DD was/is a Marine badass of the first order didn't happen by accident, especially when the beneficiaries of the false impressions needed but to write the editors of SHOT presstitute row and set them straight about the "biographical errors" made by the authors of the fawning fluff pieces.
I'm as well positioned as anyone to say "Told you so!" but I'm not going to do that to the folks I locked horns with over these issues because it is childish and counterproductive.
The issues now revolve around how people move forward from here. Some will see the light and some will keep shoveling. Some won't care one way or the other.
All three paths will feature some world class jackasses on view.
I know my future attitude concerning Strider knives is pretty much contingent upon the principals there coming clean to the public. America is the land of public mea culpas and fawning forgiveness if one can come off as sincerely apologetic.
Admiral Jeremy Boorda, CNO at the time, killed himself in 1996 after getting caught wearing two unauthorized "V" devices on two medals he was actually awarded to wear in his salad bars. The "V" denotes valor in combat, and apparently Boorda didn't earn that distinction during his RVN tours.
I don't expect anyone at Strider to meet Boorda's benchmark of regret, but expectations of them doing the right thing at all are so low I won't be disappointed.
If anything, I stand to be mildly surprised.
I think the thank yous are kind of funny. like some one just won a grammy or something. dont forget God.
I'm getting out of the way of this thread. In closing, I'm a vet too, I'm not happy about the current findings but it is what it is. But I see no point to insult & question the honor of fellow soldiers who were associated with Strider Knives. You on the other hand seem to have a special hatred for Strider Knives, prior to this thread you were not a member of Blade forum & your only contribution has been in this thread. Now that this thread is wrapping up are you going to stick around & discuss knives, or is it on to the next place to attack Strider Knives? If you're planning on sticking around, then welcome & head to other sections here & enjoy talking about knives. As a Vietnam Veteran, I'm sure you could offer some insight to the knives of that time. But if you are just here to insult those associated with Strider Knives, please take your baggage & leave.
Yah. We got that the first time you said it.
You want us to accept your interp.
To what end? What do you want us to do with you interpretation? Add this Marine to our personal enemies lists?
History is full of legitimate hunts for bad guys that turned into witch hunts.
You are NOT doing your cause any good with this stuff.
From POWNET's email to the SSA:
"AND IF NOT US, WHO CAN WE DIRECT THE IG TO
I've got the feeling that if the IG (Inspector General) of the Marine Corps gets involved, this is going to get even uglier then it already is.
When the honor, integrity, and reputation of the Marine Corps, Organizations within it, and maybe even individual Marines is at stake, it's necessary.
There can be no impropriety, or even appearance of it, when it comes to the dealings of Our Corps, its organizations and its Marines.
Where did you find the PDF with the emails at POWNET? I don't see it there.