Strider Knives, Game Over!

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wolfmann601 said:
His last name is Harris. He is/was a big time LEO type in CA that at one time was a friend to the Striders. Harris owned/owns a very well known personal protection-security and Corporate security firm in CA as well.

I may be all wrong with the above as it is from memory but I am not aware of anything sinister about Lance with the exception of his "I know everything" ego (Maybe he does:confused:)

Anyway, when the standard freebie searches are run there is Dwyer-Poland connection but the loads of addresses as well as names causes a credibility issue in my mind.

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Was he a cop?
 
I honesty do not remember if he was a Cop or not. I do have some recollection of him being some sort of super Bodyguard to the real important types and maybe a Martial Artist/instructor.

There are many here who know him personally, I do not. Just have vague memories of his accomplishments but a vivid memory of his ego, which to some may not be a bad thing. I think he was one of the original Usual Suspects when they were good guy Emerson knife lovers but again that was long ago.

Heck, just ask him I am sure he will tell you!!!!:rolleyes::D
 
wolfmann601 said:
I honesty do not remember if he was a Cop or not. I do have some recollection of him being some sort of super Bodyguard to the real important types and maybe a Martial Artist/instructor.

There are many here who know him personally, I do not. Just have vague memories of his accomplishments but a vivid memory of his ego, which to some may not be a bad thing. I think he was one of the original Usual Suspects when they were good guy Emerson knife lovers but again that was long ago.

Heck, just ask him I am sure he will tell you!!!!:rolleyes::D
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He has already called to let me know he was not a cop.
 
The Poland Dwyer connection is really not up to the POW site to explain. This comes up on its own and they are just reporting what is reported back to them in a search through people finder for Duane Dwyer.

http://www.peoplefinders.com/summar...te=CA&vw=&Search=&Input=&image.x=73&image.y=9

There was a DD214 posted on the link before it went down. I don't see that listed now. Is anyone finding that to be the case also or am I just unable to find it?

Ok wait. I found it again. It shows 2 years and 8 months for service. Quite frankly that is a very short time to have accomplished all the things listed in that article by Tactical Knives.

I asked Mary about several things and they have been very forthright in getting the information they have out. I don't see them playing games here with me or get the impression they are the least bit concerned about the facts in evidence. Apparently there is more yet to come later next week.

STR
 
From what I can tell, Lance Harris is a private detective in CA. I think he was a contractor who did one tour with Blackwater over in Afghanistan. Yes, I believe he was an original Emerson fan, and was one of the circle that eventually became Suspects, but was kicked out by the Strider folks when he called out Mike Bottoms for being a fake Rhodesian Sealous Scout. Keep this in mind - the Mick Strider was vouching for Mike Bottom's background as seen here - http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-4466.html

Originally the SOCNET admins were against Strider, in the years since they are now behind him. Lo and behold, look what happened - Mick Strider made up his background as well. Remember what I said about people vouching for others earlier in the thread.

Since Lance Harris called out Bottoms, he's been subject to the same sort of character assassination & idiocy that I have on this.

EDIT: STR I haven't seen a DD214 yet. I do notice that the POWNetwork now has an article on there where DWYER is listed as a former Force Recon Marine, and the Scout / Sniper Association people returned negative results for DWYER or POLAND as members.

EDIT 2: I also noticed this red text on the POWNetwork page:
ALL INFORMATION GATHERED MEETS THE MANDATE OF THE LAW AS REQUIRED BY NPRC AND SET DOWN BY CONGRESS.
ALL INFORMATION IS FROM PUBLIC RECORDS, FILES, DATABASES.​
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So I'm guessing they didn't "steal" his social security number.
 
STR said:
The Poland Dwyer connection is really not up to the POW site to explain. This comes up on its own and they are just reporting what is reported back to them in a search through people finder for Duane Dwyer.

http://www.peoplefinders.com/summar...te=CA&vw=&Search=&Input=&image.x=73&image.y=9

There was a DD214 posted on the link before it went down. I don't see that listed now. Is anyone finding that to be the case also or am I just unable to find it?

Ok wait. I found it again. It shows 2 years and 8 months for service. Quite frankly that is a very short time to have accomplished all the things listed in that article by Tactical Knives.

I asked Mary about several things and they have been very forthright in getting the information they have out. I don't see them playing games here with me or get the impression they are the least bit concerned about the facts in evidence. Apparently there is more yet to come later next week.

STR
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Have you asked Mary why the Poland people finders entry is double posted, instead of Posting the Dwyer one under Dwyers name.

Please link to the dd214 you mention, the only one I see there has a service time from 10-31-79 to 10-28-83. It shows he spent 2 years 8 months in his last job title.

I will wait and see what "new" evidence they post next week. To me it isn't about Duane. I imagine he is a big boy and will either defend himself or not. Unlike in Micks case though weather this is true or not it will do alot more damage than just ruin a mans reputation, it will cause major firestorms in any dept he worked for or provided training to. All I am asking is that POWNETWORK show the reationship and how they got there between these 2 names. Not just post some half assed search from people finder that they misposted any way, but real proof.


Edit to correct the date as Spark pointed out below and to remove a comment. STR My apoligies, aparently I can't read them any better.
 
Micky said:
Please link to the dd214 you mention, the only one I see there has a service time from 10-31-79 to 02-26-85. It shows he spent 2 years 8 months in his last job title. People should really learn to read a DD214 before they try and tear it apart.
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http://www.pownetwork.org/pownet.secure/poland_dwyer.pdf
Page 7.

79-10-31 entry date to 83-10-28 seperation date. Just under 4 years active duty. Looks like a full 52 weeks of initial training though. The 85 date shows he went inactive from the Marine Corps Reserve Command.
 
DD214's do not always report a complete service history. My last ignores the first fourteen years of service, but reports most - not all - of my awards. I have not received any since retiring, even tho they were earned. I suppose the Retired Reserve might get around to it before I die, just like senior WWII vets still getting Bronze Stars.

Please do not assume service records of any type are absolutely accurate and beyond question. Too many times service members deploy, redeploy, and exit units without a complete record, or the admin types simply have no time processing hundreds, if not thousands, of soldiers during an operation. See above. It's still happening, and it's real.

I chalk up a lot of the comments by some in this thread to a complete ignorance of the military. It's like the time I was taken to task because the poster knew Basic Knife Fighting was in the Army curriculum. I didn't even bother to ask if they knew who was the proponent agency? (Gosh, maybe the Navy SEALS? )

525 reponses to an unproven allegation, and IT'S NOT RESOLVED YET (done period. Wow, saying that in bold face sure does make something more true.) I mentioned before there is a clinical definition when somebody keeps doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, but gee, now I wonder if I should include myself . . .
 
I didn't convey my thoughts accurately. To become a data tech he trained for 2 years and 8 months. My bad on total time in service comment. What I mean to say is that it shows 2 years 8 months for "total time in training" to become the data systems tech. Now, looking at this when you figure he had that long to do that he was left with the remaining time in service to do all those other things listed by Tactical knives it makes it even less likely to have happened. What that would mean is cross training, new school, new time before being free to work the job trained for and by the time he got through sniper scout school he would be left with even less time to continue on to the other things listed. It looks even more suspicious is all I mean to point out. His training time for the data tech took three years when you add in basic and travel to the next base along with any delays getting into the system at the school like it was when I went from one base to the next.

Now if he went to Sniper school also in the same time he really peformed some kind of miracle to get all that under his belt after two training schools by doing it all before 1985. Its even less time if he actually separated from the service as active duty in 83 and was inactive reserve until 85. I separated in 84 but was inactive reserve until 86 so my DD214 reads that long also.

Give the benefit of the doubt here folks. We can all do without smart ass comments back and forth with each other unless you just want to start fighting over nonsense!

STR
 
I don't see that. I see he trained for 40 weeks.

EDIT: tirod3 - As far as I know, being a Marine Corps Scout / Sniper is still a MOS. The records would show that, right? Maybe there's another DD214 out there that shows the Scout Sniper MOS, the Sniper School Instructor posting, the FORCE RECON posting, the Urban Sniper training, and any of the overseas travel, including observer / adviser time?
 
Whats the 2 years 8 months right by the Data Systems Tech mean then?

I count up 56 weeks in the education part but the 2 years 8 months statement must mean something. My own DD214 isn't written that way so I have trouble understaning the time listed there. I am not claiming to know how to read it just discussing what I am seeing to get a clearer picture in my own mind of how much time he would have actually had left to serve and work after all the training was said and done.

STR
 
Time spent in that MOS.
 
Thanks Spark I corrected my post above. From what is posted this guy Poland had alot of training and was a good troop.
 
Spark said:
I don't see that. I see he trained for 40 weeks.

EDIT: tirod3 - As far as I know, being a Marine Corps Scout / Sniper is still a MOS. The records would show that, right? Maybe there's another DD214 out there that shows the Scout Sniper MOS, the Sniper School Instructor posting, the FORCE RECON posting, the Urban Sniper training, and any of the overseas travel, including observer / adviser time?
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Maby if someone does an FOIA on Duane's records instead of this Poland guy, you will actually see it, maby not. From what I see here this Poland guy served his country, got some good training and moved on. Absolutly nothing in that record mentions the name Duane Dwyer and nothing on the site links the 2 names. Why would there be anything in Polands record saying he was a sniper if he wasn't.
 
Of course, if there's no record of service for any "Duane Dwyer" what's the next step? The Scout Sniper association already says there's no such member with either of those names, while there's multiple quotes provided saying Duane Dwyer is a member with "confirmed" MOS?

I do find it pretty suspicious that the Duane Dwyer of San Marcos CA pulls up as an AKA for POLAND though. What's the story if they both share the same address(es)?
 
My bad on reading the training time wrong. I still think even after 56 weeks that leaves very little time to do all the rest.

As for no records of Duane Dwyer ever serving. Well that opens up a whole new can of worms then doesn't it? Then we have a situation that would be even worse for Dwyer I think because it would mean we are talking about two different people. Duane Poland who apparently served his time honorably in the Marines as a Data Systems Tech. and Duane Dwyer who apparently lied about being in the Marines, and about being a sniper because no record can be found to prove he was ever in the service.

So to me the lesser of the two evils there is to accept its the same guy we are talking about because if it is two different guys then a lot of guys in Law Enforcement that were trained by a guy that was never in the Marines Sniper Scout School or even active duty at all is in for a world of hurt.

STR
 
So to me the lesser of the two evils there is to accept its the same guy we are talking about because if it is two different guys then a lot of guys in Law Enforcement that were trained by a guy that was never in the Marines Sniper Scout School or even active duty at all is in for a world of hurt
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They will be a world of hurt if either of those prove true. I really hope for their sakes that Duane is/was what people claim he is.
 
Well, regardless of all the hemming and hawing it should be pretty easy to put all this to rest. DD214 showing name and sniper MOS & dates of entry / separation; blank out the privacy information such as DOB and Social Security number, nature of seperation, reenlistment code, etc.

All of that can quickly and easily be confirmed by anyone with a stamp and FOIA request showing that name & service dates.... and this will be over and done with; and none of this will have to read anymore of this BS.
 
Spark,
Just for argument sake, is there anywhere that shows that he actually said these things about himself. I see lots of stuff attributed to others but unlike in Mick's case nothing attributed to him. So is he guilty of actually lying about his past or just guilty of not correcting others perceptions and hype. I guess we won't know that till we see what his and other police organizations do reguarding all of this.
 
Micky said:
Spark,
Just for argument sake, is there anywhere that shows that he actually said these things about himself. I see lots of stuff attributed to others but unlike in Mick's case nothing attributed to him. So is he guilty of actually lying about his past or just guilty of not correcting others perceptions and hype. I guess we won't know that till we see what his and other police organizations do reguarding all of this.
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When I wrote Mary at POWnetwork I mentioned this also. I said, "Surely they knew and had copies of the articles printed in every magazine with something about them or their knives. If so corrections should have been made as soon as possible if errors or misquotes or misstatements were made public".

Her reply:

"ABSOLUTELY agree. There is no way they can be unaware of the claims. It even shows up in interviews with the Marine Corps Times that goes back YEARS. It had to start SOMEWHERE - and there have been YEARS of the comments with not ONE disclaimer from Poland."


STR
 
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