Strider Knives, Game Over!

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STR said:
When I wrote Mary at POWnetwork I mentioned this also. I said, "Surely they knew and had copies of the articles printed in every magazine with something about them or their knives. If so corrections should have been made as soon as possible if errors or misquotes or misstatements were made public".

Her reply:

"ABSOLUTELY agree. There is no way they can be unaware of the claims. It even shows up in interviews with the Marine Corps Times that goes back YEARS. It had to start SOMEWHERE - and there have been YEARS of the comments with not ONE disclaimer from Poland."


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Her answer is very telling in what it dosn't say. Aparently Dwyer isn't guilty of making the claims. He is just guilty of not correcting the claims of others. A very big difference.
 
Whether or not he was a sniper is not something that would simply need a retraction or correction. He has trained others based on the credentials in question, so it doesn't matter if someone else said it first, or most often.

But, since that is the case, a resolution to this would seem to have to come about, agencies need to validate this, it isn't just about who's grinding knives.
 
Micky said:
Her answer is very telling in what it dosn't say. Aparently Dwyer isn't guilty of making the claims. He is just guilty of not correcting the claims of others. A very big difference.
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Not enough for the BF Crew though. We never let any thing get in the way of a good blood letting.

I say BURN HIM! He turned me into a nute! ( I got better) :p
 
Micky said:
Her answer is very telling in what it dosn't say. Aparently Dwyer isn't guilty of making the claims. He is just guilty of not correcting the claims of others. A very big difference.
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So I guess the claims were just pulled out of the air by these "others"? It had to start somewhere
 
Yes but what she did say is that 'it had to start somewhere'. This kind of says she believes it started at the man behind all this. My feelings on this if its true are that if he is going around setting up things for plausible deniability it just adds that much more reason to be suspicious of the claims.

I fail to see how Duane or Mick could not make a correction when seen in print but I already pointed out back on page 21 I think that I could not find any reference to Duane ever making these claims himself. For all we know there was a correction printed in the June or July edition of that same magazine. Wouldn't that be interesting to find? Anyone have any from later on after that article to see if any corrections were made?

STR
 
Summary of this thread: 28 pages of Blah Blah, Blah Blah Blah, Blah.


Again I ask, if what Strider has done is such a crime, why are they not in the hall of shame? Maybe, just maybe, they aren't the liars everyone here claims or "knows" they are.


Blah Blah Blah.
 
GronK said:
So I guess the claims were just pulled out of the air by these "others"? It had to start somewhere
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It could have started with an over zelous ad man, or from anywhere.

Hell it could have been Mick or anyone trying to build up the company rep.

It is just another inconsistancy, Did he say these things, is he in fact Poland.
 
Spark, maybe there is another DD214. Will it be accurate? Who knows? Or will it be just another DD214? If anything, what can be taken from this is that military records obviously aren't a clear and complete history. Sometimes they are just a snapshot of the focal time span.

STR, no problem. I'm just using an example I can actually vouch for - me - I certainly don't mean any more than that. If I can contribute anything concrete to this discussion, it would be there is a lot of innuendo and very few facts.

I'm currently reading the latest Grisham expose "The Innocent Man," and there are a lot of similarities there in reading hopeful conclusions into the evidence. I understand how the layman can get the wrong idea, cripes, we read complaints about sheeple and their fear of knives here everyday, or that Spark's a "Big Meanie" because he's a greedy, profit driven mod and wants more members. I just don't think that what comes around should always go around, my time in service taught me that sometimes the stuff stopped with me and stopped around me because I had that responsibility.

Probably something I picked up snoozing through a leadership class.

Attempted diversion on:
(BTW, aside from slackers like me getting a membership, what do you need to fix the Search/Server issue, Big Meanie? The number of separate threads indicate it's a bigger issue than this, and deserves more attention. Let us know somewhere what we can do. How many cubic feet of moolah will it take?)
Diversion off.
 
Micky said:
Her answer is very telling in what it dosn't say. Aparently Dwyer isn't guilty of making the claims. He is just guilty of not correcting the claims of others. A very big difference.
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Nah, it is the same thing. If people were saying and writing for years that I was a LEO hero, been in more shootouts than Wyatt Earp, been to every training school there is in the world as an Instructor and have been the reciepient of my State's Governor's Medal for Valor 10 times and never did anything to correct all the BS being spewed about me I would still be as big a Poser if I said this stuff myself.

Now, if I only won one medal, been in one shootout........................:foot:

If all Lance did was out some BS'ers to fall out of grace with the Emerson crew then he is a good guy in my book!
 
That's the funny thing about leadership - when someone is spreading incorrect information about you, you tend to try to stop it right there.

I'm having a very hard time believing that all this "sniper" nonsense sprang out of thin air. Especially when we have various quotes by various members such as Jerry Hossom, nyeti (aka Darryl Bolke, who IIRC now an employee), jbravo, Jared, and more? A quick search with the terms "duane" and "sniper" nets the following:

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Not that anyone cares, but Thompson also called Duane a fake in his ad, and a con man. Duane served in the Marines honorably, attained the rank of SSGT, and has been accepted into the Marine Scout Sniper Assc, which I know personally requires hard proof of service and MOS. Again, not that it matters to the all-knowing, but Mick served in the Army, too, and I'll give $500 to anyone who can show where HE claimed to be a combat veteran. Ranger - yes, combat - no.
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nyeti (aka Darryl Bolke) said:
First, on Mick, he has been very quiet over the years on almost anything background related. I can guarantee that the guy talking about Mick being a sniper had him and Duane confussed. I have attended more than my share of shows with the Strider guys and can generally be found at the Strider or Emerson booth at most of them. I have never heard MIck ever say a thing about being a sniper to anyone. Duane has, and I believe Duane's background is factual. Both Mick and Duane are very knowledgeable on a lot of subjects related to the field, and I am sure they got that knowledge somewhere. I will stand by my comments on Duane. In regards to Mick, I was given third party info a long time ago about Mick that I took to be true. It was also related to a time prior to Mick going to prison. Part of the problem with a lot of this is that Mick and Duane are two seperate folks who often get lunked together as one entity. Keep in mind that this whole character assasination thing started with Duane first and it backfired on the person who started it. Same arguments, Duane wasn't a Marine, Duane wasn't a sniper, Duane was a convicted felon, it isn't Duane's real name......blah, blah. If you know anything about dealing with folks who walk in the circle of people I do, you don't ask for specific details. It is just the way it is, and the "tell me about what kind of stuff you did" pegs the pogue meter in that world.
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lifter4Him said:
Actually the owner of Strider knives is Duane Dwyer as the inquisition with the PI led by lynn thompson and friends found out and Duane is indeed a Marine Corps vet in good standing and a member of the USMC Sniper Assn.
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Jerry Hossom said:
Hoever, something many people don't know and others have obscured in this discussion, Strider Knives isn't all about Mick. Duane Dwyer was a for sure Marine Scout Sniper with an impressive kill count. Others who work at Strider in CA and/or are their distributors around the world are similarly people who have serious records of military accomplishments. They've chosen their association; call them what you will.
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Jared P said:
Honestly, I'm done with this. It's childish and boring. Here is what I know...I've been online in these forums a LONG time, longer than the Strider Company has been online. In fact, I was there when they started the forum on Knifeforums with Earl Stewart. From that time until now, in all publications and all posts I've never heard Mick Strider say anything OTHER than that he was in the Army and was a Ranger. Why would he, in light of the fact that his partner IS a USMC Sniper, change his story just for you? You tell me, that's the whole point.
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So maybe these guys just all got together and decided to, on their own, create & repeat this USMC Scout / Sniper background. And the Marine Corps Times decided to call him a Force Recon marine. And Buck Knives decided to list him and Mick Strider as Special Operations personnel not one, but two years in a row. And Tactical Knives (WW Wright) just pulled all those specific training schools & international adventures together out of thin air too. Oh, and the other various articles are someone else's fault as well.

It could happen. Really.

Of course when threads like these are made:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196658 bragging about representing a sniper rifle company, it kinda throws water on any claims saying he hasn't put this information out there.

Now, I don't know about you, tirod3, but when I was presented my DD214, I was told to sign it to affirm that it was correct, and if it wasn't, I was to have the changes made then when it was corrected, sign. Granted, mistakes in records keeping happen; I set my home base assignment to Ft Bragg 3 times and still it wound up being set to Germany over and over again... and somehow my blood type got switched to A POS instead of O POS during reception (another 6 months to fix that) but my DD214 I made sure was right.

In the end, it should be simple. Being a USMC Scout / Sniper is a MOS, and a verifiable thing. Being a Force Recon Marine is a verifiable thing. Being a Sniper School Instructor is a verifiable thing. These are all items I find EXTREMELY unlikely to be left out of any records. Being a member of the USMC Scout / Sniper Association is a verifiable thing - and the Association says they've no record of him.

This huge "misunderstanding" can be put to rest in 5 minutes.
 
tirod3 said:
Spark, maybe there is another DD214. Will it be accurate? Who knows? Or will it be just another DD214? If anything, what can be taken from this is that military records obviously aren't a clear and complete history. Sometimes they are just a snapshot of the focal time span.

STR, no problem. I'm just using an example I can actually vouch for - me - I certainly don't mean any more than that. If I can contribute anything concrete to this discussion, it would be there is a lot of innuendo and very few facts.

I'm currently reading the latest Grisham expose "The Innocent Man," and there are a lot of similarities there in reading hopeful conclusions into the evidence. I understand how the layman can get the wrong idea, cripes, we read complaints about sheeple and their fear of knives here everyday, or that Spark's a "Big Meanie" because he's a greedy, profit driven mod and wants more members. I just don't think that what comes around should always go around, my time in service taught me that sometimes the stuff stopped with me and stopped around me because I had that responsibility.

Probably something I picked up snoozing through a leadership class.

Attempted diversion on:
(BTW, aside from slackers like me getting a membership, what do you need to fix the Search/Server issue, Big Meanie? The number of separate threads indicate it's a bigger issue than this, and deserves more attention. Let us know somewhere what we can do. How many cubic feet of moolah will it take?)
Diversion off.
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I asked Mary at POWnetwork about the two DD214s theory also.

Remember, she said earlier it was noted that Duane claimed two tours of duty in the early 80s.

Her reply was the following. "two TOURS does not necessarily imply 2 enlistments. During Nam a "tour" was 13 months for Marines - but an enlistment was 2, 4 or 6 yrs."

STR
 
Maybe someone can talk with the Del Ray Oaks Police Department. For a Community of less than 2000 to have their own SRT is quite a fete and quite an accomplishment.
Maybe they can shed some light (If anyone is on duty)
 
Where did Michelle go?

Mick is a member of Socnet did they verify his credentials?

There is a Marine Sniper forum over there at SOCNET, has anyone asked them about this Marine Sniper stuff? Was Duane a member there? It seems if he were a Marine Sniper he would be?


On the thread linked to written by Duane about a sniper rifle, Mick comments on shooting the rifle. Whats a convicted felon doing playing with guns? Whats a Law Enforcement Officer doing providing weapons to a convicted felon? Were they shooting at a police range?

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03-28-2002, 11:36 AM
I shot Duanes AI rifle. It is very badass.

But don't they make one that isn't pink?


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Why did nyeti end up leaving the Ontario Police Department with 18, 19, or whatever number it his he speaks of when he says "Just under 20 years" in his bio around the net. Was he providing guns to a convicted felon? Having a convicted felon come over to the police range and shoot guns? Just seems funny, one day nyeti is a Cop, the next day Mick Strider is outed as convicted felon, then out of the blue, pun intended, nyeti is no longer a cop. Is this all interrelated? Whats the story?


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Our agency is getting ready to purchase two Tango 51's from Tac Ops. If you are not familiar with Mike's work, he is probably the king of the hill right now doing Remington 700's. They do some awesome suppressor work as well. For those of you who don't know. Duane is probably better known in the tactical community as a total stud behind a bolt gun than he is in the knife community.
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Let's not make this about nyeti / Bolke.
 
Bubbanumber1 said:
Where did Michelle go?

Mick is a member of Socnet did they verify his credentials?

There is a Marine Sniper forum over there at SOCNET, has anyone asked them about this Marine Sniper stuff? Was Duane a member there? It seems if he were a Marine Sniper he would be?


On the thread linked to written by Duane about a sniper rifle, Mick comments on shooting the rifle. Whats a convicted felon doing playing with guns? Whats a Law Enforcement Officer doing providing weapons to a convicted felon? Were they shooting at a police range?




Why did nyeti end up leaving the Ontario Police Department with 18, 19, or whatever number it his he speaks of when he says "Just under 20 years" in his bio around the net. Was he providing guns to a convicted felon? Having a convicted felon come over to the police range and shoot guns? Just seems funny, one day nyeti is a Cop, the next day Mick Strider is outed as convicted felon, then out of the blue, pun intended, nyeti is no longer a cop. Is this all interrelated? Whats the story?
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If he did shoot it there would be a problem. Judging from the post though he was joking since he asked if it came in other colors brsides pink.

In Nyeti's case I believe I read somewhere he went out on a medical.

Care to try and drag anyone else into this. You started this damn thread how about staying on point.
 
Micky said:
If he did shoot it there would be a problem. Judging from the post though he was joking since he asked if it came in other colors brsides pink.

In Nyeti's case I believe I read somewhere he went out on a medical.

Care to try and drag anyone else into this. You started this damn thread how about staying on point.
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Which point do you prefer? I do not think Mick was joking at all about shooting the rifle, sure he was joking about the color but not the shooting. This comes directly off the Strider Knives Training page about the requirements one needs to be able to train with them. Since Duane had to know that Mick was a convicted felon why was Mick shooting his gun or were they training? They themselves are were offering to train Police and Military, asking for IDs, Department letters, all the time Duane knows quite well his business partner is a convicted felon. Am I the only one who finds this situation ironic? That is they want to make sure they are not training felons, don't want their customers mixing with felons, criminals, liars, unverifiable non credentialed persons!


http://web.archive.org/web/20051230074640/http://www.striderknives.com/html/training.html

Requirements: you will need a firearm, 800 rounds of factory ammunition,
comfortable clothing, hydration, eye and ear protection. For liability
purposes A Military ID or Law Enforcement credential,
for Non-LEO

EVIDENCE OF NO CRIMINAL HISTORY FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND A
STATEMENT OF GOOD CHARACTER FROM A PUBLIC OFFICIAL OF THE APPLICANTS
PLACE
OF RESIDENCE. A COPY OF YOUR CURRENT GUN PERMIT SHOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED.

(OUT OF STATE RESIDENTS NOTE THAT INDIANA IS A "RECIPROCAL STATE." THAT
IS,
WE HONOR ALL CURRENT AND VALID UNITED STATES GUN PERMITS.)

WE REGRET THE INCONVENIENCE THAT OUR CREDENTIALING POLICY MAY CAUSE OUR
APPLICANTS, BUT WE FEEL SURE THAT THEY DO NOT WISH TO SHARE THEIR
TRAINING
EXPERIENCE WITH PERSONS OF INVERIFIABLE CHARACTER.
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Bubba,
You are a cut and pase wonder, it is a shame your reading comprehension isn't on par with your cut and paste skills. Pat Rogers and Steve Tarani were the instructers for the class you cut and pasted. Not Mick or Duane. Maby you should read what you are cutting and pasting instead oif just trying to widen the subject at hand.
 
Yeah but Micky look at the fact that Duane's signiture is at the bottom of the page thanking those for their interest. I have a very good friend that went to that class. He told me Mick and Duane were quite active in it as well.

Also, its apparent it was hosted by Strider isn't it? I found it interesting and ironic. So mush so that it brought a chuckle because I could not help but wonder what those in the class would think knowing they were in fact training with two people of unverifiable character; that being the hosts!

STR
 
Micky said:
Bubba,
You are a cut and pase wonder, it is a shame your reading comprehension isn't on par with your cut and paste skills. Pat Rogers and Steve Tarani were the instructers for the class you cut and pasted. Not Mick or Duane. Maby you should read what you are cutting and pasting instead oif just trying to widen the subject at hand.
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Do you mind dropping the personal insults, I made a few early on in the thread but that was when it was redirected to Whine and Cheese. If you wish to insult me, don't like what I write, or whatever, just send a PM if it will make you feel better.

Are you saying that Strider Knives was offering classes, advertising classes, asking for credentials, with Duane as the middle man, his name as the contact, all under the Strider Flag, but this has nothing to do with them, they were not making money off training? They did not have a Law Enforcement Training Division that was set up as a for profit business? I find that argument about as ironic as the situation itself, widening the subject? Could it possibly be bigger than its already been described?
 
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