Strider Knives, Game Over!

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IIRC= If I remembered correctly...sorry

ITOG was the name of DD's training business and DD employed Pat Rogers and Steve Tarani. I don't know if DD ever actually served as an Instructor, I would defer that to Lance as he is a West Coast Trainee/Trainer in those types of topics.

Edited to add that Cougar is right, it's "If I recall correctly"..sorry again
 
Okay, now that I know IIRC is not a school we can move on. ;-)

Here's the deal: If, ITOG is in business and is CERTIFIED to instruct "PEACE OFFICER STANDARDS of TRAINING" courses, then why isn't ITOG on the certified and apporved list at POST?

You can follow this link and input the presenter's name. As you will see, ITOG is NOT an approved presenter for POST.

http://www.post.ca.gov/Publications/Course_Catalog/

Is this yet another DWYER LIE?

The International Training and Operations Group (ITOG) is an effort by Duane Dwyer and Mick Strider of Strider Knives to provide a "one stop shop" for tactical training. ITOG offers courses ranging from prisoner handling to pistol/carbine to IED recognition, at a variety of venues around the country.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_173_29/ai_n7578410

"Two years ago Strider spun off a second company--International Training and Operations Group, LLC--to provide expert training and instruction to pro-American tactical groups. The company offers POST authorized courses as well as specialized instruction tailored to their client's needs."
 
Maybe a bit of doublespeak; the courses are the kind POST authorized, but ITOG itself is not approved? Like if I put AC Delco spark plugs in a vehicle, it's a GM product, but I'm not an authorized GM service center. That's kinda stretching it, a lot.
 
RVNVET said:
Okay, now that I know IIRC is not a school we can move on. ;-)

Here's the deal: If, ITOG is in business and is CERTIFIED to instruct "PEACE OFFICER STANDARDS of TRAINING" courses, then why isn't ITOG on the certified and apporved list at POST?

You can follow this link and input the presenter's name. As you will see, ITOG is NOT an approved presenter for POST.

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Help me out.. I got lost .....:confused:


ITOG = International Training and Operations Group

OTOG = ???? Nothing that we know of.. A TYPO... SO DISREGARD.

PS... I am not going to delete this so no one will be able to say anything ....... :D
 
Perhaps ITOG could also offer, USC type courses and Harvard Law School type courses.

It would serve absolutely no purpose, to offer POST courses to LEO's when the school cannot Certify the classes. The uncertified class would not be reimbursable to the Department or the Officer. Furthermore, the Officer would not receive the required CEU's.

So, what would the purpose be?
 
Teacher,

A typo.... my fat fingers sometimes hit keys there not suppose to. I made an edit and corrected the error.

Thanks.....
 
wolfmann601 said:
IIRC= If I remembered correctly...sorry
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I was lost on this one too..:D . thanks for the meaning wolf, I am kinda "slow" .. ;)

RVNVET said:
Teacher,

A typo.... my fat fingers sometimes hit keys there not suppose to. I made an edit and corrected the error.

Thanks.....
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Well thank goodness that is all it was..... :D
I thought I was ready for the "funny farm" ......;)

I'll go back and fix the "quote" too..... :thumbup:
 
RVNVET said:
Perhaps ITOG could also offer, USC type courses and Harvard Law School type courses.

It would serve absolutely no purpose, to offer POST courses to LEO's when the school cannot Certify the classes. The uncertified class would not be reimbursable to the Department or the Officer. Furthermore, the Officer would not receive the required CEU's.

So, what would the purpose be?
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Or how about a logical explanation. The article you are refrencing is 3 years old. This site you refrenced is current http://www.post.ca.gov/Publications/Course_Catalog/

Maby, sometime in the last 3 years ITOG stopped offering these courses. How about at least trying to keep time lines straight. Does ITOG even still exist, my google foo isn't that great, I have found nothing about them that is current. Are they even still in bussiness. Oh and hows the knife search going?
 
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Who cares how the "knife search" is going????...... He probably found it by now.. ;)
........... Quit trying to change the subject please ... OK ??

And that is a weak... real weak... "jab" ... you keep throwing at RVNVET.
 
teacher said:
Who cares how the "knife search" is going????...... He probably found it by now.. ;)
........... Quit trying to change the subject please ... OK ??

And that is a weak... real weak... "jab" ... you keep throwing at RVNVET.
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Its not a jab at all. it is a reminder to everyone reading his posts, that his stated intent coming here was to research a knife and this pissed him off enough that it had to be the thread he made his first post in.

I was kind enough to link the proper part of the boards for him to ask questions about the knife he was interested in. To date all his posts have been in this thread. I am just reminding the readers of what his stated purpose was verses what his actions show. You came to his defence then to.
How about addressing the rest of my post, or does the logic in it throw a wrench in the works between your guys good guy/ bad guy routine.
 
Yeah, if they are closed, that's a pretty good reason not to be listed as POST trainers in a current listing. How often is that POST database updated? If they've been closed down for 2+ years, it should have been updated a couple times.

EDIT: This isn't to say they were ever actually listed however. Just a good reason to no longer be listed
 
Spark said:
Yeah, if they are closed, that's a pretty good reason not to be listed as POST trainers in a current listing. How often is that POST database updated? If they've been closed down for 2+ years, it should have been updated a couple times.
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Sparks,

I happen to know that, once a course is approved it will remain in the catalog indefinately, as will a Certified/Approved Presenter.
 
RVNVET said:
Sparks,

I happen to know that, once a course is approved it will remain in the catalog indefinately, as will a Certified/Approved Presenter.
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Well that is certainly interesting, to say the least.
 
There is a whole world outside of California that does not care for California's way of doing things.

When I took the ITOG course it was in Indiana, so if you want to cast aspersions on the course, I would look for it as being recognized in the states it was actualy taught in.
 
Luke,

You are very right about California. That's why I left there. Who did the teaching at your class?

Micky,

We are a little past cheap shots. If someone wants to change their mind about why they did something, we have a very free society where explanations aren't necessary. RVNVet's posts are on track with this thread.

Gene
 
Gene Martin said:
Luke,

You are very right about California. That's why I left there. Who did the teaching at your class?

Micky,

We are a little past cheap shots. If someone wants to change their mind about why they did something, we have a very free society where explanations aren't necessary. RVNVet's posts are on track with this thread.

Gene
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Gene,

Pat and Steve were the Primary Instructors, with Duane and Mike S (Surefire?) and someone else I cant remember as assistants. I took the ITOG and Pat's Carbine Operator back to back in 2004 so it all kinda has mixed together in my mind.

All I know is it was there that I first laid eyes on Multicam, and it changed my life forever :thumbup:

Edited to add: The course was advertized as being recognized for POST certification in Indiana. As I have always worked for Uncle, POST has never been something I worried about.
 
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