Strider Knives, Game Over!

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1.ATS is not a Strider Dealer.
2.That pic is not Luke.

- Back to observing. Thanks


You guys gotta stop writing in "code". There is clearly some sort of an "agenda" between Lance and all the other names he mentioned. Some of US here are not familiar with all of those players and how they fit into this Mel Gibson like Conspiracy theory.

Some of us here just want the truth: is all that info concerning Duane Dwyer's Military and Combat History true? The silence on this matter is so loud it's deafening!!!

This is not a dead horse, it's a deaf horse..................
 
Old 05-03-2007, 11:22 PM
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Effective immediately I will no longer be a moderator on this forum or posting on any Internet forums. The reason is very simple, I cannot afford to lose my medical benefits.

I recently returned from a getaway with my family. As many of you know, my wife has been battling Stage III cancer for the last year and a half. She is facing a new battery of treatment and we tried to get away before this new treatment begins. I arrived home to find a message on my answering machine from my agency's internal affairs division. I contacted the IA supervisor, and was informed that Kevin McClung from Mad Dog Knives and others have tried to file formal complaints against me because of my association with Mick Strider and Strider Knives. Included with this complaint was numerous posts from several of the forums that I moderate on in order to have me disciplined or fired from my job. As much as I enjoy the forums, my many friends, and the many positive contacts that I have made on the Internet, none of this is worth any risk to my medical benefits from my employer.

Based on the above, I will no longer be posting on any forums, or answering any P.M.'s or E-mails, unless I actually know who you are in real life, and that you are in no way associated with Kevin McClung, Lance Harris, or Lynn Thompson. My professional associations will continue with various training groups and firearms industry publications. I will also continue to work with and support Strider Knives. Beyond the fact that I believe they are truly the industry standard in edged tools for those who are in harms way daily, Mick and Duane have been far better than anyone I work with at my P.D. in providing hope, prayers and support for me and my family through some very difficult times.

Thanks-DB
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http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=5209





This deserves comment in reference to everything thats been said on both sides which are putting out information, some fact and some clearly propaganda.

DB, If you read this my best wishes of good heath to your wife. I cant imagine what you must be going through with this but myself and others also have families which we love and protect. Family is a non issue concerning any of this and if anyone ever attacked your family on any forum you can count on me to respond to that, it is completely unacceptable, yet remains common practice on the internet.


Open Letter, This situation is the result of Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer. All responsibility is on their shoulders no matter how one counts the cards, shuffles the deck, cheats, bluffs, wins or looses as a direct result of holding MS and DD accountable when they themselves invoked their military background as an advertisement campaign to direct sell to the military. Nobody twisted their arms or water boarded them to get them to talk, they did it, them alone at first then others became involved in the untruths that were forwarded with no DOD Documentation as a fact check. Now many have come forward to challenge these military claims publicly and to date everything that was called a lie is still listed as a lie concerning both DD and MS.

Law Enforcement Officers are Public Officials, all their power is granted by the public and they are accountable to the public and subject to the whims of the public. When someone is a law enforcement officer they are to be held to a much higher standard than any civilian and any civilian is by law allowed to comment to any officers superiors if any questions about them not holding to the highest of standards should arise. Whether anyone likes Kevin McClung, Lance Harris, or Lynn Thompson is of no concern, if they as private citizens have any concerns about any LEO they have the right to contact their superior officers and comment or file formal complaints.

In the situation of DB he has presented himself as some innocent bystander who came under personal attack while he was minding his own business and that is very far off the mark. He has used the Ontario Police Department as his hallmark credential to profit financially in the private sector by promoting products and personalities and to attack others with criticism. If he wanted to write all the things he has written on the internet/magazines/news and remain anonymous he should have never brought up the fact he was indeed a LEO and which specific department he worked at. That was his choice, so when he has gone on the record with comments some view as unbecoming or just untrue it is only logical his department would be contacted.

In the case of this specific post made by DB he has chosen again to bring his personal life into public view but this time asking for sympathy, A sympathy that DB, DD, nor MS has ever afforded to anyone else whether they know them or not. They all have a very long track record of being abusive to others and in general being disrespectful. I see the entire post as some kind of suggestion that KM, LH, and LT are the cause of all the problems when in fact it is not that way at all. Then it goes on to open the door to all kinds of personal attacks against them and many suggestions that their businesses be boycotted and some really horrible things that have been spread all over the internet to attack their businesses.

There is one huge separation between the two groups that remains, that is the simple fact the second group has never made any military claims. Whether anyone likes the second group or not is of no concern of mine and you will never see them listed as Phonies or Frauds on POW Network unless they do make military claims and when asked politely to respond with documentation they cannot do so, such is the case of Duane Dwyer and his business partner Mick Strider who are currently listed as Phonies on POW Network and will remain there indefinably.



I have already stated this but will do so again,

I do not know Kevin McClung and have never been a member of Tactical Forums. I had never heard of the man or his knives until I started looking into the Strider situation.

I do not know Lynn Thompson but am familiar with his products, In my life I have owned two of his knives, one for an hour which I doubled my money on in 1997 at a gun show and another that cost 50 bucks retail.

I do not know Lance Harris. I had never heard of him before his name was brought into this situation on this forum.

Having stated, I do not know any of these people and have no relationship to any of them I hope that clears up a couple things. What if any relationship I will have with them in the future I have no idea but having dug pretty deep into their backgrounds concerning all the bullshit thats been said about them I don't mind saying I have no problem them or how they conduct business.
 
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=5209





This deserves comment in reference to everything thats been said on both sides which are putting out information, some fact and some clearly propaganda.

DB, If you read this my best wishes of good heath to your wife. I cant imagine what you must be going through with this but myself and others also have families which we love and protect. Family is a non issue concerning any of this and if anyone ever attacked your family on any forum you can count on me to respond to that, it is completely unacceptable, yet remains common practice on the internet.


Open Letter, This situation is the result of Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer. All responsibility is on their shoulders no matter how one counts the cards, shuffles the deck, cheats, bluffs, wins or looses as a direct result of holding MS and DD accountable when they themselves invoked their military background as an advertisement campaign to direct sell to the military. Nobody twisted their arms or water boarded them to get them to talk, they did it, them alone at first then others became involved in the untruths that were forwarded with no DOD Documentation as a fact check. Now many have come forward to challenge these military claims publicly and to date everything that was called a lie is still listed as a lie concerning both DD and MS.

Law Enforcement Officers are Public Officials, all their power is granted by the public and they are accountable to the public and subject to the whims of the public. When someone is a law enforcement officer they are to be held to a much higher standard than any civilian and any civilian is by law allowed to comment to any officers superiors if any questions about them not holding to the highest of standards should arise. Whether anyone likes Kevin McClung, Lance Harris, or Lynn Thompson is of no concern, if they as private citizens have any concerns about any LEO they have the right to contact their superior officers and comment or file formal complaints.

In the situation of DB he has presented himself as some innocent bystander who came under personal attack while he was minding his own business and that is very far off the mark. He has used the Ontario Police Department as his hallmark credential to profit financially in the private sector by promoting products and personalities and to attack others with criticism. If he wanted to write all the things he has written on the internet/magazines/news and remain anonymous he should have never brought up the fact he was indeed a LEO and which specific department he worked at. That was his choice, so when he has gone on the record with comments some view as unbecoming or just untrue it is only logical his department would be contacted.

In the case of this specific post made by DB he has chosen again to bring his personal life into public view but this time asking for sympathy, A sympathy that DB, DD, nor MS has ever afforded to anyone else whether they know them or not. They all have a very long track record of being abusive to others and in general being disrespectful. I see the entire post as some kind of suggestion that KM, LH, and LT are the cause of all the problems when in fact it is not that way at all. Then it goes on to open the door to all kinds of personal attacks against them and many suggestions that their businesses be boycotted and some really horrible things that have been spread all over the internet to attack their businesses.

There is one huge separation between the two groups that remains, that is the simple fact the second group has never made any military claims. Whether anyone likes the second group or not is of no concern of mine and you will never see them listed as Phonies or Frauds on POW Network unless they do make military claims and when asked politely to respond with documentation they cannot do so, such is the case of Duane Dwyer and his business partner Mick Strider who are currently listed as Phonies on POW Network and will remain there indefinably.



I have already stated this but will do so again,

I do not know Kevin McClung and have never been a member of Tactical Forums. I had never heard of the man or his knives until I started looking into the Strider situation.

I do not know Lynn Thompson but am familiar with his products, In my life I have owned two of his knives, one for an hour which I doubled my money on in 1997 at a gun show and another that cost 50 bucks retail.

I do not know Lance Harris. I had never heard of him before his name was brought into this situation on this forum.

Having stated, I do not know any of these people and have no relationship to any of them I hope that clears up a couple things. What if any relationship I will have with them in the future I have no idea but having dug pretty deep into their backgrounds concerning all the bullshit thats been said about them I don't mind saying I have no problem them or how they conduct business.

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This situation is the result of Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer. All responsibility is on their shoulders no matter how one counts the cards, shuffles the deck, cheats, bluffs, wins or looses as a direct result of holding MS and DD accountable ....


If it's OK to "cheat, lie and bluff" to 'hold them accountable' for being cheating, bluffing liars... well I don't know what to say about that.
 
... Whether anyone likes Kevin McClung, Lance Harris, or Lynn Thompson is of no concern, if they as private citizens have any concerns about any LEO they have the right to contact their superior officers and comment or file formal complaints.

Please be patient with me here. I don't know anyone involved and am first to proclaim my ignorance concerning the sordid details of this whole affair ...

Am I to gather that they filed a formal complaint against a LEO for somehow endorsing Strider Knives?

Is this correct?
 
If it's OK to "cheat, lie and bluff" to 'hold them accountable' for being cheating, bluffing liars... well I don't know what to say about that.



Originally Posted by Bubbanumber1

Open Letter, This situation is the result of Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer. All responsibility is on their shoulders no matter how one counts the cards, shuffles the deck, cheats, bluffs, wins or looses as a direct result of holding MS and DD accountable when they themselves invoked their military background as an advertisement campaign to direct sell to the military. Nobody twisted their arms or water boarded them to get them to talk, they did it, them alone at first then others became involved in the untruths that were forwarded with no DOD Documentation as a fact check. Now many have come forward to challenge these military claims publicly and to date everything that was called a lie is still listed as a lie concerning both DD and MS.



The reference is directed towards DB, DD, and MS, being the ones who have chosen to Cheat, Lie and Bluff their way across the internet about DD and MS's military backgrounds.

I do not know of any lie coming from Lance Harris but I know plenty of lies that have been said about him by Team Strider.
 
Please be patient with me here. I don't know anyone involved and am first to proclaim my ignorance concerning the sordid details of this whole affair ...

Am I to gather that they filed a formal complaint against a LEO for somehow endorsing Strider Knives?

Is this correct?

May I suggest you do a little reading before you comment, I'm not trolling you but its a big waste of time to answer questions over and over and over again from people who only choose to read the first and last post.
 
May I suggest you do a little reading before you comment, I'm not trolling you but its a big waste of time to answer questions over and over and over again from people who only choose to read the first and last post.

I have followed this thread from the beginning (and am still not 'in' on all the details cited cryptically throughout.)


I gather from what you've written and the link you posted that a LEO was the subject of a formal complaint because of some kind of endorsement or relationship with Strider Knives and/or some things he wrote on the internet concerning this controversy and it's players.

If that's correct, it just seems like a notable development.

...kind of explains all the anonymous profiles in this thread, I guess.:(
 
I have followed this thread from the beginning (and am still not 'in' on all the details cited cryptically throughout.)


I gather from what you've written and the link you posted that a LEO was the subject of a formal complaint because of some kind of endorsement or relationship with Strider Knives and/or some things he wrote on the internet concerning this controversy and it's players.

If that's correct, it just seems like a notable development.

...kind of explains all the anonymous profiles in this thread, I guess.:(


There has been more than one complaint, when you start mixing badges, guns, knives, money, and felons you get some questions asked, ever heard of BATF?
 
If that's correct, it just seems like a notable development.

...kind of explains all the anonymous profiles in this thread, I guess.:(

It was a notable development in May of last year. I don't know what we should call it now though, or even what purpose it serves in this thread.

Either way, what in the world does that post have to do with anonymous profiles?
 
In a thread related to credentials, I can see how anonymity can come into play.

Probably because some people feel the logic of their argument would be overshadowed by a perceived bias for one side or another.

In more direct terms, if Bubba turns out to be someone like LT (yes, I know he said he is not) or if someone supporting Duane (who this thread appears to be about, despite the title) turns out to be DB then people will basically resort to veiled ad hominems... attacking the person and their relationships instead of addressing their point.

Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure that the moderators check IPs and cross reference them with names, even on the old posts. On the firearms board I help moderate it's a simple deal even with less advanced software.
 
... attacking the person and their relationships instead of addressing their point.

This is the part that upsets me. If the issue is with MS & DD then I don't see why it is necessary to go after their friends. I understand that Nyeti was a LEO that endorses Strider Knives. I understand that he made comments regarding DD's background. I see the correlation between someone that might have a vested interest in Strider Knives supporting them.

What I don't understand is how this gets anyone closer to finding out the truth about DD's background. All it does is disprove statements made, not provide supporting evidence. I also find causing a IA search to be initiated on Nyeti a petty act of spite.
 
I also find causing a IA search to be initiated on Nyeti a petty act of spite.

That's exactly what it was. Spite, jealousy, and hate. It was not done out of the goodness of their hearts to out a rouge cop. It was done because that is what they do, and they have done it more than once. It didn't matter to them if it might ruin a family's life...and no Bubbanumber1 I don't think they have the right as public citizens to destroy someones life if it is done out of hate!! Nyeti just used to get under their skin and they just couldn't stand it, so they did this underhanded trick.
 
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Bubbanumber1 I don't think they have the right as public citizens to destroy someones life if it is done out of hate!! (.......)
I am kinda mixed up. If the "someone" you speak of has done nothing wrong and has nothing to hide .......how can a "public citizen" .....legally....... "destroy" their life ?

No matter what their motive or reason may be .....

Makes no sense to me ......:confused:
 
There seems to be an attitude here that IA investigations always result in a firing. Not so. IA investigations can also exonerate officers.

Calif has a law that if someone makes a frivolous complaint against an officer that harms the officer's reputation, the officer can sue. Calif has some pretty screwed up laws, but the Peace Officer's Bill of Rights is a good law. It protects officers from frivolous complaints and keeps agencies on the straight and narrow when conducting investigations.

I don't know where it would go if an officer is validating a poser's claims in order to make money from it. Most police agencies require an officer to report outside employment and have policies about what constitutes an incompatible activity. That's why Highway Patrol officers can't have tow truck companies.

Just because a miconduct complaint is made doesn't mean it will go anywhere. I have no idea what the misconduct complaint is based on, but it will have to have at least an appearance of validity before it's investigated. And agencies do have a say in what their officers do in the way of outside employment if it makes the agency potentially liable civilly.

All that said, if an officer is in business with a felon and a poser, and lends credibility to fraudulent claims based upon being a peace officer, that officer may have stepped over a line. And it was the officer who made the step, not the person reporting it.

Kind of goes back to the original question in this thread, doesn't it? Is he or isn't he?

Gene
 
That's exactly what it was. Spite, jealousy, and hate. It was not done out of the goodness of their hearts to out a rouge cop. It was done because that is what they do, and they have done it more than once. It didn't matter to them if it might ruin a family's life...and no Bubbanumber1 I don't think they have the right as public citizens to destroy someones life if it is done out of hate!! Nyeti just used to get under their skin and they just couldn't stand it, so they did this underhanded trick.
Since the iniatial post was copy pasted here it is a shame he didn't post the follow up post. It seems IA looked at the complaint, and had a good laugh at the complaintants expence. :jerkit:This is all old news. As I understand it Nyeti has recently retired. Why some asswipe feels the need to dredge up old crap instead of focusing on the actual questions is beyound me. I guess some people just like to perpetuate the BS.

Socnet has said they are looking into it, why not give them the time to do so? I am sure that this will be an interesting shot show weekend to say the least, maby something will come out of it relating to this topic.
 
I am sorry to see so many bitter people. Bashing and going above and beyond about not much at all. Going waaaaaay off topic and still no answers. Just hate and bitterness. I pity you, life's too short. As far as the facts, there are no answers so why continue the tirade? Why attack people for their opinions? And more importantly why is this not in Whine and Cheese because thats all I see.
Now go ahead pile on whatever, but some of you really need to get a life.
And if Lynne Thompson isn't involved in this somehow I'd be very suprised.
Okay start the pile on :jerkit:
 
If all you see is Whine and Cheese Scottso you need to open your eyes.

A person who has written a ton of posts concerning weapons, calibers, sniper training, shooting and other related gear must be able to verify his credentials when called on it. There is nothing wrong with being self-taught as long as it is made clear. Allowing a facade that you are a USMC Sniper extraordinaire and allowing that to serve as some basis to make your opinions expert is another.

This kind of stuff does not belong in W&C.
 
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