Strider Knives, Game Over!

[Thomas Linton]

At least in California, the law applicable to libel apparently applies to postings on the Internet. Varian Medical Systems, Inc. v. Delfino. Therefore, at least nominal injury is presumed, allowing an award of punitive damages without proof of actual injury.

In law, malice makes a bad act worse. So maliciously publishing a falsehood ramps up the damages a jury is likely to award. And it should.

But maliciously publishing the truth? While malice (or motive generally) is a basis to question the truthfulness of someone giving evidence, malice does not turn a lawful act into an unlawful act. It is not defamation to publish the truth with the intent of harming.


I still wonder. But the continued silence from the one who would be expected to speak on such a simple issue is suggestive. Long silence to prepare for a lawsuit? Why? Where the facts are simply established, the contary is typical. The lawyers for the allegedly injured party rush to court for a temporary restraining order or preliminary injunction amidst a barrage of public statements that their client is being defamed. For a public figure, the need to win in the relevant "court of public opinion" dictates such tactics.

Someone is going to be proven right on this issue -- in one "court" or another.

 

[wolfmann601]

After having followed this thread for over a month now, it is looking like those that posted that the original intent was to harm the business of Strider Knives, were correct.

If Duane is what he has allowed to serve as his background it does not matter[to me] what the OP had as a motivator. There is no question in my mind that Bubba, Lance Harris, and a few others here are diehard detractors but I am not as certain as to their motivation.

One part of me agrees with you, they only want to hurt Strider knives. The other part of me says they want to out DD as a fake, liar and Poser and if that hurts or destroys Strider knives; well it was self-inflicted and not their doing.

Whatever their motive, it's not exactly what mine is. My motive is pure selfishness; I have always believed DD was all that was said of him. I uttered his name countless times as a source of great info on Optics/weapons and in one case calibers. I made a pair of purchases on scopes based solely on what Duane had to say. Now, it is an issue as to whether he is the real deal or a phoney baloney. Make no mistake; I know he served with distinction as a USMC. I know he makes a good, honest knife. All I have ever heard from folks that know him say he a great guy. What I do not know is whether he was a Scout Sniper while serving in the USMC and did so using the name Duane Dwyer. At no point did anyone ever suggest he became a sniper through an NCO handshake, making him a "covert scout Sniper". What's at issue for me is that there is some formal record that DD is a combat tested USMC Scout Sniper with an impressive kill count.

The question still remains: Is Duane Dwyer a USMC Scout Sniper, it's clear that Poland fellow is not.............

 

[qpuf]

qpuf writes:




Could care less if you agree or NOT it's the TRUTH.

YOU dont have any OBSTACLES, when you tell the truth.


I do have anymosity for anyone who continues to lie and tries to LIBEL people who are good honest people. Too bad for you that your ETHICAL and MORAL COMPASS are askew....

You need to work on your READING COMPREHENSION skills.

FUNNY, My "COACHES" have NO issues or problems understanding me either...

I'm NOT here to hold your hand, EXPLAIN it to you and COMFORT you so YOU can understand it all.


It is written so that WHEN there are ANY further developments, it is a matter of record and documented or did YOU not figure that out yet either...

Nothing wrong with my ethical and moral compass, but thanks for the concern. I haven't taken a real opinion one way or the other, but I think Mr. Dwyer has some explaining to do, based on what I've read. I think my comprehension skills are actually pretty solid. I'm a big boy and I don't need anyone to hold my hand, but if that day ever comes, I'd try to find someone who hasn't had their ears boxed off one too many times BASED oN HOw ThEY wrITE....
And I qouted just in case you decided to delete...

 

[Keith Montgomery]

This is how I feel. I feel he posted it here because he knew this is the only forum that it would fly, because admit it, this is pretty much an anti-Strider forum.

I agree that it is the only forum where this thread wouldn't have been censored, but not because it is an anti-Strider forum. There is plenty of support for Strider knives on this forum.

 

[Tamishigiri]

qpuf writes:

So Tamishigiri, just because you and I have have a mutual friend, it automatically means we're buds as well? That's what you are saying about Luke M, right? Sorry, I don't agree with that. I think your biggest obstacle is that you have so much anymosity to anything Strider, much of your fact-finding is put into question. It doesn't help that your findings are extremely difficult to absorb based on how you present them. I have to read many of your postings, when you don't edit them, more than once to understand whom is saying what.

qpuf writes:

"I haven't taken a real opinion one way or the other,"

sure LOOKS like an opinion to me....


qpuf writes:

"I'd try to find someone who hasn't had their ears boxed off"


Laughable about having my EARS BOXED off.. Another ERRONEOUS comment w/o substance.


I'm writing this for me as a RECORD for the CEREBRALLY CHALLENGED ...

Here I go again have to tie half my Brain behind my back again to make this remotely fair..

 

[GronK]

Especially since that was his first post on this forum. I agree with you.
I think he came here to do damage and to troll. Sounds like he indeed does have a agenda.

Now it's pot and kettle time. One (1) of your 89 posts was not about Strider/Cold Steel.

 

[RVNVET]

Ira (wolfmann) & Teacher--

I re-read your insults (Toches-lecker.bla,bla) and Teachers stupid,insults.He's a second grade spelling teacher & Teacher needs spell check himself.Live in the real world,be a man.
I know Mick & Duane & the people around them for 4 years.Honest products,great service and ,i repeat,i don't care what their MOS was,they served their country.I am not interested in past lives, i judge people how they live their current lives and treat others and how they support our current
military.
Finally,a keyboard commando is brave behind his keyboard, but will never insult people (like Ira & Teacher have) to their face.

You are one rude person, you come off like some arrogant, pompous as%. I understand your ties to Duane Dwyer as he is/was a wannabe hobbie cop just like you. It appears that you have played second string all of your life.

I don't know you, I don't know Teacher or anyone else on this forum. But the issue has never been Strider Products, only the veracity of its owners. Which is basically proven that they both are liars. What else is ther to say? There is enough solid documentation and evidence to fill a standard garage.

For some reason people like you just don't get. Nor will you ever get it. You, Mikey, Mickey and Duane should all have a picnic on Broke Back Mountain.

"Still searching knives"

 

[Tony C2]

You are one rude person, you come off like some arrogant, pompous as%. I understand your ties to Duane Dwyer as he is/was a wannabe hobbie cop just like you. It appears that you have played second string all of your life.

I don't know you, I don't know Teacher or anyone else on this forum. But the issue has never been Strider Products, only the veracity of its owners. Which is basically proven that they both are liars. What else is ther to say? There is enough solid documentation and evidence to fill a standard garage.

For some reason people like you just don't get. Nor will you ever get it. You, Mikey, Mickey and Duane should all have a picnic on Broke Back Mountain.

"Still searching knives"

Did you find that Chris Reeves knife yet?? What a worthless post you just typed.

 

[711432]

It is not defamation to publish the truth with the intent of harming.

True, but then neither is it defamation to steal a car.

Lacking any advancement in the facts, and running out of people to insult, we've reached the point where we wonder that if they've lied about their military service might they have lied about being knifemakers at all? And what liability does the Buck Knives company have to us? And Kershaw? And Chuck Mawhinney?

So here at that point we might want to widen those scope of the cut rate legal advice we are dispensing and consider whether things vary depending on who is making the claims. If you are a competitor can you freely post the truth as you know it?

 

[Spark]

Yeah, those pesky varying claims. You know, like claims of being a Recon Marine, or a USMC Scout Sniper, or having racked up a bunch of kills in the Balkans. Those claims of being a Sniper School instructor, or trained with [insert group here] or a combat vet. Amazing how "competitors" like his partner & Bolke & Hossom & the Marine Times & various magazines are the source of the claims and that they did it just to discredit him... wait, what?

Have any more red herrings though?

EDIT: perhaps you could clearly delineate what is the "truth" and what "isn't" since you seem to be implying you know what the actual "facts" are? We're only a couple pages away from 100, so if you don't mind helping us all out, it'd be really appreciated.

 

[DXC]

You are one rude person, you come off like some arrogant, pompous as%. I understand your ties to Duane Dwyer as he is/was a wannabe hobbie cop just like you. It appears that you have played second string all of your life.

I don't know you, I don't know Teacher or anyone else on this forum. But the issue has never been Strider Products, only the veracity of its owners. Which is basically proven that they both are liars. What else is ther to say? There is enough solid documentation and evidence to fill a standard garage.

For some reason people like you just don't get. Nor will you ever get it. You, Mikey, Mickey and Duane should all have a picnic on Broke Back Mountain.

"Still searching knives"

"Me thinks thou doth protest too much.":foot:

 

[wolfmann601]

Wow what a concept!!!
Learning the truth about DD's military history, now that's a thought.

At some point one of the many true fact holders will:
1) Have had enough and tells us the TRUTH
2) Slips up and spews out a fact based remark concerning DD's status as a USMC Sniper
3) Gets angry over something and decides to tell the world the truth
4) One of the major Corporations will issue some kind of fact based statement
5) Continue to sit back and watch this go to 1500 pages and 500,000 posts

My 10 year old nephew offered his idea to resolve this, he said; " Uncle, why doesnt't this Derek guy (he got DD's name wrong) just tell the truth...............unless he is lying"

and so goes the days of our knives..

 

[teacher]

Wow what a concept!!!
Learning the truth about DD's military history, now that's a thought.
(......................)

My 10 year old nephew offered his idea to resolve this, he said; " Uncle, why doesnt't this Derek guy (he got DD's name wrong) just tell the truth...............unless he is lying"

and so goes the days of our knives..

What a novel idea.......... :thumbup:

That boy needs a knife "Wolfie".......
If it is OK for him to have one... PM where you want it sent and I'll send it to you. You can then give it to him...... :thumbup:

 

[Halfneck]

Got no dog in this fight, but I do find irony in this statement by Tamisigiri:

"You need to work on your READING COMPREHENSION skills."

I believe everyone's "READING COMPREHENSION" skills would be greatly enhanced if you worked on your grammar & spelling. It's hard to accept an intelligent argument when words are misspelled, sentences run on, and random words are capitalized throughout.

Then you throw this statement at the end of a post with further misspelled words & random capitalizations:

"I'm writing this for me as a RECORD for the CEREBRALLY CHALLENGED ...

Here I go again have to tie half my Brain behind my back again to make this remotely fair.."

I feel like I'm reading an argument from a Myspace refugee.

 

[Tamishigiri]

At the end of the day,

The people who protest about DAYS of OUR KNIVES ARE without a DOUBT the ones who the have CREATED this whole DRAMA.


It's NOT the peolple who are TRUTHFUL, ETHICAL, MORAL, FACTUAL et alia problems at all.


The SAD thing is the FOLLOWERS who DRINK the "KEWLAID" who don't get it.

YOU are all being used and some of us get it and are making a STATEMENT AND STAND by EXERCISING our 1ST amendment rights.



We have the right to protest peacefully and have complied.

This is the PROCESS like it or NOT.

Let's be CRYSTAL CLEAR about where the BLAME for this DRAMA lies.

With the PERPETRATORS of the LIES, FALSEHOODS etc...

When this is OVER (and it will end) HISTORY will REVEAL the TRUTH and those that supported the lies will have SHAME.

Those that listened, learned, absorbed, educated themselves, figured it out,
knew all along, filtered, diciphered, encrypted, helped, assisted, got dirty, took the HEAT, took the cheap shots etc. are people who were willing to take a stance on ETHICS, MORALITY. They have the Backbone, conscience and determination to see the end and TRUTH.


That takes more courage to stand for TRUTH than being a cohort, participant, aid and abet, assist, obfuscate, lie, embellish, perpetuate, cover up etc.

BOTTOM LINE,

LOVE for MONEY is the ROOT of all EVILS and this is about MONEY, MAKE NO MISTAKE.

Cheating is the EASY way out in life.

The credit lies with the people who make a stand for truth in the end...

Frankly, I TRULY don't care if you don't like my writing style, words, caps, syntax etc.

Seems FASTIDIOUS and PEDANTIC....

 

[wolfmann601]

Thanks for the offer Teach but I took care of him already.

The irony; I gave him a Strider SNG I had in my safe and discovered in December!!

Most be something prolific and poetic, I will ask the 10-year old Phrophet!!!

 

[slipfirep40]

MONEY is the ROOT of all EVILS

The love of money is the root of all kinds of evils, big difference.

 

[Horned Toad]

It's NOT the peolple who are TRUTHFUL, ETHICAL, MORAL, FACTUAL et alia problems at all.

two,five,200, about sums up that one

 

[Halfneck]

At the end of the day,

The people who protest about DAYS of OUR KNIVES ARE without a DOUBT the ones who the have CREATED this whole DRAMA.


It's NOT the peolple who are TRUTHFUL, ETHICAL, MORAL, FACTUAL et alia problems at all.


The SAD thing is the FOLLOWERS who DRINK the "KEWLAID" who don't get it.

YOU are all being used and some of us get it and are making a STATEMENT AND STAND by EXERCISING our 1ST amendment rights.



We have the right to protest peacefully and have complied.

This is the PROCESS like it or NOT.

Let's be CRYSTAL CLEAR about where the BLAME for this DRAMA lies.

With the PERPETRATORS of the LIES, FALSEHOODS etc...

When this is OVER (and it will end) HISTORY will REVEAL the TRUTH and those that supported the lies will have SHAME.

Those that listened, learned, absorbed, educated themselves, figured it out,
knew all along, filtered, diciphered, encrypted, helped, assisted, got dirty, took the HEAT, took the cheap shots etc. are people who were willing to take a stance on ETHICS, MORALITY. They have the Backbone, conscience and determination to see the end and TRUTH.


That takes more courage than being a cohort, participant, aid and abet, assist, obfuscate, lie, embellish etc.

BOTTOM LINE,

MONEY is the ROOT of all EVILS and this is about MONEY, MAKE NO MISTAKE.

Cheating is the EASY way out in life.

The credit lies with the people who make a stand for truth in the end...

Frankly, I TRULY don't care if you don't like my writing style, words, caps etc.

Seems FASTIDIOUS and PEDANTIC....

Did you type this while the National Anthem was playing in the background? Fastidious & Pedantic? Why not save yourself the time in a Thesaurus and just call me an arrogant jerk who is nit-picking your posts.

So those here speaking out against Strider Knives are standing up for Truth, Justice, & Liberty for All?

Yet those who stand by Strider Knives seek to cloud the truth while plotting to overthrow the online knife community - all the while laughing their evil laugh & twisting their pencil thin mustache?

I'm sorry I don't see it as Black & White as you are trying to present. The whole issue is several shades of Grey. The heart of the original poster's argument has been said, with some posts by various posters backing it with additional information - both for & against. In my opinion, a majority of the posts here are just people making sure they get their shots in on Strider Knives & do nothing to add to the argument.

The information has been posted, people are looking into it. Unless it is new & relevant data, I don't understand why some posters have to keep posting information that is old, re-hashed, or barely related. To me, those doing so are not so much concerned about getting to the truth of the matter inasmuch as they are just pursuing an agenda to inflict harm on Strider Knives.

Here's my question. Say we find out a undeniable, definitive answer to the question originally posted - will it change your viewpoint regarding Strider Knives?

Say Duane Dwyer's background comes up lacking, will Strider Knives shut down & cease to exist? Most likely they'll just keep right on making knives. Sure there will be some people who decide not to buy their knives based on this info. There will still be the loyal core of people who support Strider Knives, buying their knives. There will also still be the non-knife people who are ignorant of this whole drama and just want to buy a good knife. All that will change will be the ad copy & a bunch of "We were right, you were wrong" posts.

But say Duane Dwyer's background comes up good, will the naysayers here post a heartfelt apology & buy a Strider Knife? Doubtful. Most likely they will just go back to pointing out Mick Strider's colorful past. Again, some people who were on the fence will change their mind, but the core groups will stay pretty much the same.

 

[Bubbanumber1]

Did you type this while the National Anthem was playing in the background? Fastidious & Pedantic? Why not save yourself the time in a Thesaurus and just call me an arrogant jerk who is nit-picking your posts.

So those here speaking out against Strider Knives are standing up for Truth, Justice, & Liberty for All?

Yet those who stand by Strider Knives seek to cloud the truth while plotting to overthrow the online knife community - all the while laughing their evil laugh & twisting their pencil thin mustache?

I'm sorry I don't see it as Black & White as you are trying to present. The whole issue is several shades of Grey. The heart of the original poster's argument has been said, with some posts by various posters backing it with additional information - both for & against. In my opinion, a majority of the posts here are just people making sure they get their shots in on Strider Knives & do nothing to add to the argument.

The information has been posted, people are looking into it. Unless it is new & relevant data, I don't understand why some posters have to keep posting information that is old, re-hashed, or barely related. To me, those doing so are not so much concerned about getting to the truth of the matter inasmuch as they are just pursuing an agenda to inflict harm on Strider Knives.

Here's my question. Say we find out a undeniable, definitive answer to the question originally posted - will it change your viewpoint regarding Strider Knives?

Say Duane Dwyer's background comes up lacking, will Strider Knives shut down & cease to exist? Most likely they'll just keep right on making knives. Sure there will be some people who decide not to buy their knives based on this info. There will still be the loyal core of people who support Strider Knives, buying their knives. There will also still be the non-knife people who are ignorant of this whole drama and just want to buy a good knife. All that will change will be the ad copy & a bunch of "We were right, you were wrong" posts.

But say Duane Dwyer's background comes up good, will the naysayers here post a heartfelt apology & buy a Strider Knife? Doubtful. Most likely they will just go back to pointing out Mick Strider's colorful past. Again, some people who were on the fence will change their mind, but the core groups will stay pretty much the same.

People continue to post because they are interested, funny how people are like that. We used to hang around the barber shops of small town America and talk about whatever seemed to be going on, now its just done on a much bigger scale on the internet within forums.

There have been plenty of big legal cases that started off as talk around the barber shop so writing this off just because its people posting back and forth about their points of view and some of their conclusions based on the information thats available may not "End with a whimper" as was posted early on.

I have already been warned about trolling if you notice the red marks on some of my posts and that was not my intention but fair enough. Evidently Duane Dwyer by his own account has lawyers dealing with this subject matter but lawyers can be offensive or defensive in nature depending on the case. Most of the people reading this jumped to the conclusion that SNI was preparing to file some kind of lawsuit but I never saw it that way, as one poster pointed out already, they would have taken immediate action against POW Network and had that information removed from their website, but again that never happened.

The term used was "litigating" and that basically means going to court, legal proceedings, cutting deals with prosecutors, settling out of court, and any number of court actions. It could very well be that some other parties have already taken some form of legal action or they are making a case for legal action but it is not currently a matter of record or public information, translated to Duane Dwyer might be the one going to court but as a defendant, it is common that defendants get "Lawyered Up." I don't want to speculate to far beyond that but I'm certain there are parties both receiving transcripts of this information and some who are logged in and are reading this who are legal types looking into the legal aspects of this situation.

The fair business practices laws of California are a very interesting subject and I'm sure some attorney will get to look into that aspect of this situation at some point and because of all the bragging about NSN numbers and such its possible that may come up as part of a court case. Its easy to see how that could happen, knife company A is awarded military contract based on them being subject matter experts while company B is not awarded a contract because they are not Special Operations. Years later company B finds out that company A was not a subject matter expert, was not Special Operations, and now seeks a legal remedy based on fraud committed by company A to get the original contracts, pretty cut and dried situation.

The Marine Corps has already been screwed over by Gary Lakis and his false military claims and now it appears that another individual who was a holdover from that incident has now surfaced in this situation and there may be more yet. It is a documented fact that Gary Lakis was at one time a vice president of the Scout Sniper Association and was having events out at the base. It is also a documented fact that SNI was a part of those events but what is unclear is if Duane Dwyer was a member of the Scout Sniper Association back then and just like Gary Lakis, has now been removed from the books for one simple reason, just like Gary Lakis, Duane Dwyer never qualified to be a member of the Scout Sniper Association but back then nobody was doing background checks through DOD, that is no longer the case now.

That would account for people saying they new he was a member and would be a plausible explanation and a alternative to those that Luke Mcghillie had posted as speculation. You do not need to be a lawyer to read the following and come to the conclusion the Duane Dwyer may have been a member but now is not, in some ways it reminds me of the whole "Mick in Somalia" affair where the lawyer responded with a alternative version of events that did in no way reflect the story given to the general public by anyone from Camp Strider.

Nope. There is no Dwyer or Poland on our membership roster in the Active Members or New Applicants. They are not members of the USMC Scout/Sniper Association.

Semper Fi,
Eileen Hannaford
USMC S/SA Webmaster