Strider Knives. Why So Much?

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Finarfin said:
Did you read my links? The one from the owner of this forum is kind of hard to disparage...
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I don't expect you or any member to read and hang on every word I write but I clearly said that "Based on what little (not the entire thread) that I read I will now spend way too much time doing just that - reading and researching. I also said, that while I DO respect this Forum, I will only consider it a piece of information - a Mans reputation is worth that IF one chooses to form an opinion of a Man. We invest far too little effort in forming opinions these days, I still think opinions are earned not a right.
 
Something I have found is that there is almost no company that dosent have some "dirt" on them. I try to look at the product rather than the person. Heck if I always looked to the person, I would not own a single Cold Steel
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Certainly, and as I've noted, if Strider had been properly contrite, I'd not hold his feet to the fire. However, virtually all of his fraud has taken place since being released from prison! It used to be a crime to fraudulently proclaim yourself to be a combat veteran all by itself(Stolen Valor), I don't care how talented the guy happens to be, he's a criminal fraudster who cheated his way into the limelight, it says a hell of a lot about those that continue to purchase his crap that happen to have known the truth of him, don't you think?
 
rubiconss said:
I don't expect you or any member to read and hang on every word I write but I clearly said that "Based on what little (not the entire thread) that I read I will now spend way too much time doing just that - reading and researching. I also said, that while I DO respect this Forum, I will only consider it a piece of information - a Mans reputation is worth that IF one chooses to form an opinion of a Man. We invest far too little effort in forming opinions these days, I still think opinions are earned not a right.
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I'm serious, read over the link from "Bladeforums" and you'll be as convinced as you possibly can be, it's from the owner of the website...
 
This document serves to collect information regarding Mickey Ray Burger, a.k.a. Mick Strider of Strider Knives. Since 2000 (and likely before), through present day, Mick Strider has made claims about being a combat veteran, with a background in Special Operations.

Recently, information has been unearthed that calls the veracity of these claims into question. If these claims cannot be reconciled, then in my opinion this is clear evidence of a deliberate pattern of deception, lies through omission and concealment of the truth. To reiterate what I stated in another thread:





Originally Posted by Spark

The magazine articles don't make sense. The claims Mick Strider made don't make sense. The court documents state information that contradict what Mick Strider has claimed repeatedly, since 2000 until present.

I keep hearing comments about "oh, he made a mistake" and he "paid his dues" and "learned his lesson"

I have to wonder, when someone claims that they were to be sentenced to serve in Somalia 5 days ago, claims they were a combat vet in 2000, has multiple magazine articles describing them as Special Operations personnel, and none of this is born out by the facts... what lesson have they learned?

That it's ok to fabricate their history because people will defend them as long as they are charming enough?

That they can get away with it, because as long as they don't answer questions directly they can't be proven wrong? That being able to win in a fistfight negates backing up your argument? That there is no accountability for lying and pretending to be something you aren't?

What are we suppossed to believe here? What would a reasonable man believe?

I'll state this, straight up: I have never heard of a spinal damaged E1, who has been barred from reenlistment, being recruited into any Special Operations role. I have never heard of anyone ever being sentenced to Somalia with their pay kept as forfiet. It is my opinion that these statements are straight out lies, and anyone making these claims is lying throuhg their teeth. This opinion is shared by every other veteran I've asked thus far.

If it was anyone else making these claims, they would be ridiculed and excoriated. If I made claims like this, my reputation would be destroyed, and I would be rightly branded as a liar.

Anyone who disagrees with what I said can come find me at my shop, or through here. I'm not going to hide.
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An excerpt...
 
Finarfin said:
Certainly, and as I've noted, if Strider had been properly contrite, I'd not hold his feet to the fire. However, virtually all of his fraud has taken place since being released from prison! It used to be a crime to fraudulently proclaim yourself to be a combat veteran all by itself(Stolen Valor), I don't care how talented the guy happens to be, he's a criminal fraudster who cheated his way into the limelight, it says a hell of a lot about those that continue to purchase his crap that happen to have known the truth of him, don't you think?
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Yep, some of us found all the goodness out a bit late, but like I said, if I looked at every one company by the owner, I would not buy knives. Cold Steel is an example from someone who "founded" the Americanized tanto from Bob Lum. Though, you will not see any credit given to that man. Anyways, I think we are far from the point of the thread. If you would like, shoot me a VM so you and I don't derail this too much more.
 
Finarfin said:
How can you not have known about him?
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http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies366.htm
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/453852-Mick-Strider-has-some-explaining-to-do

Recently got back into collecting knives after a long time away from it. Have been reading and researching about the different makers and brands.

Information concerning the main players at Strider is truly disturbing. Enough so as to eliminate any thought of ever buying one or even buying from a Dealer that carries their line.
 
The Op's "question" (it was a statement of opinion) has been answered and his lack of further participation in the thread speakes to the true nature of the post.
This is a far more deep reaching topic and one I was asked "How could you not know" I would say, "How could You/Us not be talking about this more"?
How anyone could continue to buy this mans products (IF this is true) is beyond me but hey I sleep fine - can't speak for anybody else.
 
Kyui Su Kim said:
On this, he is right. He is'nt slandering, he is pointing out what's been found out. What I do not like is the "Strider is dumb, his knives are dumb, and anyone who ones them is a mall ninja" type comments. Some of us like the knives his company puts out and that's fine, but why are we wannabe "high speed operators" for owning them?
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I said nothing about the people who buy them. I was being sarcastic and talking about the owners. I do have my opinions of the people who willingly buy them and know their past, but I don't want to get banned so I will keep it to myself.
 
a reason i have strayed from strider. i still can't find a definitive yes or no. a cliff notes story is what I'm looking for
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
I said nothing about the people who buy them. I was being sarcastic and talking about the owners. I do have my opinions of the people who willingly buy them and know their past, but I don't want to get banned so I will keep it to myself.
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Appreciate that then. I felt it was directed toward all the owners too. I picked a couple up because well, I wanted to have/try one of almost all production knives. Heard all the rave about these and Emersons, so I picked up one of each. Both ended up on the Exchange forums.
 
rubiconss said:
This is a far more deep reaching topic and one I was asked "How could you not know" I would say, "How could You/Us not be talking about this more"?
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The problem there is that Strider fanboys come out of the woodwork whenever someone mentions this. They claim that Strider has paid his dues to society (even though he continues to scam and cheat after having done time), and that people should just let up on him. I'm not sure if they really mean that or they just want to keep new members from finding out the truth about Mick "Strider."
 
I find more troubling than what Mr. Strider may have done, the pervasive opinion that this issue is no Big deal. That is far far more disturbing than one man's need to exaggerate or outright lie about a Calling that I hold near and dear to my heart and the heart of every Man that has ever lived in my Family going back almost 300 years.
His possible misdeeds have apparently been dealt with by the stewards of this forum.
What continues is the exercise, on an individual basis, of situationally justifying decisions based on emotion and utterly indefenseable.

Keep in mind these posts show in no order so I think it is fairly clear Who is on what side of this issue and a difference of opinion never more clearly defined IMO.
Those who see this for it is and those who see it in a way that serves the purpose.
 
Every. Single. Time.

Any time Strider is mentioned on the forums someone brings up Mickey Ray's questionable past. It seems some people are incapable of separating feelings of the maker and feelings of the knife.




People are quick to jump on the "hate Strider" band wagon. It seems that most forget that not one person on this earth is exempt from past mistakes and regrets. I'm sure that if we knew EVERYTHING about ALL the big makers then those people would buy from none.
 
This has been hashed out over and over and over. Old news people. Instead of making another thread dedicated to the topic read the provided links. And if you feel you can't live with owning a Strider anymore great for you. But no need to judge other people for deciding different. Some people only care about the product. All the other behind the scenes shenanigans is just noise.
 
I handled my first Strider knives this past weekend and I can definitively say that I will never own a Strider. I was legitimately shocked at how cheap they feel. They may or may not preform as cheap as they feel, but first impressions are important and the first impression from the Striders is not good at all.
Second to that, I've skimmed much of what has been posted (facts? I'll probably never really know), and while some may say that I shouldn't knock the knives themselves or the brand based on the actions of one man and that the knives are built by many other fine, upstanding individuals I can't help but say that it doesn't really matter who makes the knives. When a company is named for the founder (I know Strider is not his real last name) like Chris Reeve Knives and Hinderer Knives, the reputation and character of those individuals absolutely matters, at least to me, when making a decision about whether to purchase their products.
 
Funny how none of my friends are racists or wife beaters, none of my clients are pedophiles and I don't drink beer with communists or Dog Abusers so ...
You're right until I know for a fact whats going on here - I don't need a knife from somebody that "might" fall about the middle of my list.
I'll see.
 
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