Strider PT. 30 disappointing minutes.

Spark,
Don't fall for the obfuscation and red herrings getting tossed around. Misdirection is neat, but this thread is about Strider, not Cold Steel and Lynn Thompson.

Regards,
3G
 
bobnery said:
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Not mine. Like the vast majority of knife collectors I have gotten to know over the last 30 years. The person behind the knives is just as important as the knife itself.
 
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For what it's worth if i was in the market for this style of knife i would pass having read what Spark and others have posted. Thats just me, we each decide whether or not to buy from a manufacturer based on our own reasoning. Right or wrong.
I will add that clever marketing is one thing outright lies is entirely another.
Sorry but i don't believe that being a self proclaimed bad ass excuses one from dealing with people in a civil fashion, Maybe it's just me...
ivan
 
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Yes. Following this thread, and it's associated links, has changed my mind regarding adding a Strider to my limited collection. I found this site while searching for information regarding a replacement for a Gerber Touche' that was lost last Summer. Since that time, I have quietly listened and learned from most all of this forum's posters, benefiting from their experience and insight. I initially dismissed many member's comments regarding "knife addiction" as silly. Eleven Benchmades and three Kershaws later I realized they were right. There are personal values and priorities, outside of just needing a piece of cutlery, which influenced my choosing, buying and carrying a personal knife. If not, any pocket knife of equal size and shape would have been a suitable replacement. As my knowledge increased so did my respect for aspects of knife creation, construction and production that I had not considered. Producers Values and priorities ARE more important than I thought. They were right then and IMO they are right now. YMMV JJJohnson
 
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Not hardly! I just did three Emerson conversions for a the same person and he had no idea of any of this and has now been brought up to speed thanks to new threads like this that catch some even to this day off guard asking about it and if you think it doesn't matter to some and yes even non veterans think again. Say what you want about any of it, think what you want, thats your right but I think there is no doubting the military aura that surrounded Strider either from the image presented in magazine articles using that as a 'reason' to believe in their products or by the crowds at their booth, or the connections and statements brought forward to promote them by the 'brothers' that stood up for them believing firmly that their stories were true. Its funny I don't see many of them in this thread though like before. And I grant you I'm not forgetting the knives stand on their own to a large degree and have solid designs.

To claim that the customers are not taking the military thing into perspective before a purchase is not wholly accurate in my opinion. I think for many it is indeed a factor. Would Jesse Ventura have been able to become Governor if all he had was that Wrestling background and not the Navy SEAL training and background? I don't think so. I know it would weigh in for me personally for a vote, or if all else was equal when I was looking at two different or three different items I'd probably support the veteran. Lastly I'll throw this out there because there is really nothing more I can add to this diatribe. I believe when my son got back from his 18 month tour in Iraq that he got a better job and more opportunity as well as more respect because of that being on his resume when he applied to be a Federal Officer in Maryland and got the job no problem. I couldn't help but wonder if he would have been so accepted and well received had that Iraq service not been on his resume because the guy that hired him was also a veteran. So, yeah, I think Strider played that military card guys, and it is pretty obvious and at best they stood by while others did it for them knowing full well some of what was written in articles was way off but never correcting anything.

I agree fully that people learn and grow in this life and I have no doubt that any of us have changed. We are not the same people we were ten years, or fifteen years ago. Life is change. I believe they are human and made some serious mistakes and have had to bear a heavy cross because of it. I try whenever possible to give the benefit of the doubt but it really helps to see remorse, and for grown men to speak for themselves. Not that all your support of your friends isn't nice and all, it just means more to me when someone is man enough to admit a mistake, grow from it and move on than to not stand up for it in just as public a way as they did to get where they are. They never had any problem at all coming out with a big statement when the wolf pack was out piling on someone else and we can see by their quotes in some of those threads that have been quoted here that they apparently were empty words, hypocritical at best. This says nothing for the mis-direction and obfuscation since that seems to be the course of action now for some reason. I guess since they can't pile on the guys that are usually the ring leaders for the big shake downs they have to do something else.

STR
 
Bottom line is Strider will stand behind that $300 PT. If it breaks, they will fix it. Sure it sounds like a lot of cash, but then again people are fighting over 200 dollar key-sized pry-bar/ knife/wrench/do-hickies these days. To each his own. If that's too big a price tag for someone, they should stick to kershaw, benchmade, spyderco or the other production companies out there. They'll probably even come with pretty boxes. You can easily re-sell a strider for what you bought it for.
I'm not sure what all this talk about Mick's lying has to do with the lack of packaging or instructions that the OP was originally concerned with.
(I've never received instructions for any knife except one with some kind of trick to it, like the meercat for ex.)

Who cares if the guy licks donkey dicks on weekends, if you like the knife get it, if you don't then don't get it. If you ever had to cut someone out of a car wreck or need your knife to save a life, do you think the victim you're helping will give a damn if the guy who sold it to you is a lying peice of garbage or not?
 
I'm a Navy veteran. I served with honor for almost 6 years and was honorably discharged. Even embellishing what your military accomplishents were or are is egregious to me let alone fabricating something. I served during the Cold War so I have no battle scars. I wouldn't have had them anyway because I spied via space collected data.

I think Mick would have been much better off today if he'd just sucked it up when he got busted and apologized publically. He could have even softened it a bit by saying he wanted to be a (place military billet here) so badly that he found himself fabricating it, or whatever. That would probably have been a fib but whatever.

For the most part, Americans are a forgiving people. If he'd found the balls to sincerely apologize for his deception he may find that much of this banter would have faded away to a larger degree than it has so far. At worst, these kinds of threads may end sooner with the comment that he apologized and it's water under the bridge now. That may not make him welcome here after his foibles but I suspect he'd still have the lingering smell of regained self worth for sincerely saying "I'm sorry for what I did".

Unfortunatley though, many Americans don't forget either. And we certainly can't forgive someone who doesn't say I'm sorry . . .


Assuming he hasn't apologized that is.
 
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THE FOLLOWING IS MY OPINION:
The way it appears to me, the attitudes displayed by both Mickey Berger and his sidekick Duane about being involved in what really is a huge knife industry scandal is one of "F*** you" and "Lick my ball sack" instead of "I apologize".

With respect to their attitudes toward all this, I would hope for better but in reality I wouldn't expect much more from a couple self-absorbed BS artists, one of whom is an ex-con who got busted for armed car-jacking and then after getting out of prison got caught scamming people again here in this scandal, and the other partner Duane who seems to have gotten his fame by being everyone's favorite knife-making Special Ops sniper buddy.

IMO, neither one seems to care at all that they have been accused of conning as many people as they could by using phony military backgrounds and benefiting off of collector's, and military user's, beliefs that they were buying knives from highly trained special forces warfare experts who were making specialized knives and tools which were constructed using their first-hand specialized military knowledge they gained from those high-speed military experiences that they purposely allowed people to believe they were in.

There's little doubt in my mind that they deliberately set out to take advantage of all the suckers that are out there just waiting to buy a $400 knife built buy a couple supposed "special forces heroes" and scam the knife collecting community by using fake military resumes as the foundation for building their military style knife-making business.

Until they appear somewhat apologetic for this, this in and of itself is enough for me to stay away from the knives they manufacture. BTW, I keep asking this and no one has ever answered me, even in the other thread....Has anyone ever been to their plant to actually see if they really do have a knife-making facility?......just curious.
 
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allenC said:
I think that it's EVERY veteran's obligation to "out" anyone who tries to claim honor and valor that they never earned or deserved.
The military is a special brotherhood with a bond that can't be bought with any amount of money.
And when one comes upon a fake, he should make it known to all far and wide.
Letting a fake perpetuate the lies is the same as condoning that behavior.

You become part of the lie.
And you lose your honor in doing so.


Did Mick ever tell you he was a Ranger?

If he did, then he lied to you.

Numerous times Strider has claimed that he was a Ranger....but he never finished Ranger School and was never a Ranger.
It is nothing but a lie.


Lying about one's military service is NOT a "character flaw".
And lying about one's military service in order to sell knives is despicable at best.


This is 100% BS!
By calling a fake a fake, I don't gain any "aggrandizement" or any "pseudo authority".
All I'm doing is letting my fellow forum members know the truth before they support the fake with their hard earned money.

There are knife makers with honor who make great knives....better to support those guys rather than a phoney and a liar like Strider.


More BS!
Every citizen of this nation, civilian or military, has every right to bring complaint to bear against anyone who lies about their military service.
Such liars are a disgrace to the uniform of the fighting men and women of this nation.

I'm amazed that any infantryman, such as you claim to be, would defend a fake like Strider.
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allenC, I just wanted to touch on your first comment. I agree that it is dishonorable to perpetrate or steal honor that you do not deserve, but unfortunately it happens all the time. I disagree that you some how lose honor by not righting every wrong. Your honor from wearing that uniform is yours, and by proxy of our shared brotherhood, mine and every other honorably serving/ed military man/woman as well. You will (and I have in the past) drive yourself CRAZY if you let the lies of others get to you. I don't know the whole story about these guys...and I don't care. You do not lose your hard earned honor because of others actions, or in-actions for that matter. For all who serve or have served, thank you, Semper Fi, Smitty
 
RWS said:
I keep asking this and no one has ever answered me, even in the other thread....Has anyone ever been to their plant to actually see if they really do have a knife-making facility?......just curious.
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i've often wondered about this myself.
 
At some point P. Boss was doing heat treatment for them. So I assumed they were grinding knives themselves. I donno now.
May be one of their friends was there can can shed the light.
 
bobnery said:
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My mind wasn't changed by this thread but it was changed by a similar thread I read last year. I had considered buying a Strider as I liked the knives, once I stumbled upon a thread and read up on Mick I changed my mind. It's not a stretch for me to think it may have happened to someone who read this thread. A similar thread in GB&U concerning a different company made me change my mind about them as well, though for different reasons. The conduct of the owner(s) of a company is something I take into consideration when I spend my money.

Personally there are few things I find lower than a person lying about military service for any reason, be it selling knives or trying to pick up a woman in a bar. If someone else is fine with that so be it, it's their choice and only they can decide if they want to buy something or not.
 
You got a good one, the stud should only contact the TI side of the scale.
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Yes, all Strider folder are supposed to be this way.

3 solid Points of contact. 1 point of ti lock side touches base of blade, The BULL pivot. and last point of contact is Pin touching the ti side+ perfect designed frame lock knife.
 
I say this again, as I said in another Post.

All Poeple that do NOT want to Buy Strider Knives because of posts about Character of Mick Strider?

Knife is as tough as knife can be. I understand your reasoning.

But, It's the same thing if you want to Buy an AK47 or SKS. Think on that for a second
There are other options.But......
 
Hammerhead7050 said:
I say this again, as I said in another Post.

All Poeple that do NOT want to Buy Strider Knives because of posts about Character of Mick Strider?

Knife is as tough as knife can be. I understand your reasoning.

But, It's the same thing if you want to Buy an AK47 or SKS. Think on that for a second
There are other options.But......
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Vegas Happy Hour?


:D
 
Hammerhead7050 said:
All Poeple that do NOT want to Buy Strider Knives because of posts about Character of Mick Strider?

Knife is as tough as knife can be. I understand your reasoning.

But, It's the same thing if you want to Buy an AK47 or SKS. Think on that for a second
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Semi custom and custom knives are very much related to their maker. For many on this forum maker's personality and integrity does matter as much or more as the knife.
As for the AK and SKS, neither Kalashnikov, nor Simonov ever lied to forumites here, nor called customers sniveling mall princesses and didn't go with the whole harda$$, high speed stuff.
Plus, those are produced pretty much everywhere. Which is not the case with the knives in question. Also, AK47/SKS in relation to other US made rifles aren't priced as high as Striders. So, your analogy is flawed.
 
With all the wonderful knives made by wonderful companies at lower prices, I just say "no" to $300 knives
 
My Analogy is Not flawed. You Buy a AK47 from a F***** Country, Probably been through many hands and places. Still Good weapon. I don't Know where you Buy guns, But Galil, Or "Pimped" Kalishnakov is Not cheap.
You are in theory supporting the country of origin. But the weapon it self still does what it is supposed to.
Thats Just My Opinion. You are entitled to yours.
My Strider SMF Is Worth ever Penny that was Paid. Lots Of People, Americans, are Employed By Strider knives
HAHA, If Mick Strider him self even touches one it isn't going to be $300, try adding a few Zeros. Thats what I find Funny too. the are Hardly "Custom" Knives. Not even close. But for a folding knife. Toughest I have ever had. so for me, worth the money. Maybe The new Rick Hinderer XM18 I just got will compare?
 
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