Strider PT. 30 disappointing minutes.

Spark said:
That you people were outright lied to & still line up to defend them pr make excuses is nothing short of amazing. If you are a veteran and can stomach some booted out E1 making up war stories & saying they were overseas in combat instead of in prison just so they can make money on knives... that speaks volumes about your beliefs.
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That is what I don't get either.

These two "makers" have a surprisingly large following of people that really don't seem to care how big and what kind of liars they both were, especially considering that the BS stories they told were probably the main reason that most of these same people bought the knives to begin with.

There's no doubt in my mind that the BS military fairy tales that these two spewed and used to market their knives were an instrumental part of whatever success they acheived.

BTW, I put the word "makers" in quotes above because I truly wonder if either one of these "war heroes" even knows how to use a grinder much less actually make a knife.
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
I will like to ask Mr Hardheart who his favorite makers are.
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I dunno about favorites, I don't buy enough customs to say. But I currently have knives from Butch Harner, Ray Kirk, David Farmer, Dan Graves, Gary Bradburn, Erwin Roach, and Mike Alsdorf. I have owned knives from others, but that would take a bit to remember.

AFAIK, none of them sells their knives as hard use military set pieces designed and made by high speed black bag operators. I also do not know if any have engaged in any other shady business practices, so I remain ignorant to any such issues, if any exist. I hope not, and do not believe they have, but I would not support them with my business if they did.

Now, my first custom was ordered from Dale Reif, much to my chagrin. I have zero tolerance for BS now.
 
I just wish the two of them would have, in some manner, apologized after it became public knowledge of what they did.

I know I would have felt differently about them if they had.
 
Spark said:
Honestly, I don't really care where you participate. Unlike some of the other forums mentioned above, posting there won't get you banned here and I have plenty of testimonials about the lack of professionalism & outright cultish behavior that goes on elsewhere. The difference is I don't care for nor encourage cross site flame wars... in fact they are actively quashed here. One of the sites you mentioned, on the other hand, has a "sparkles" smilie, so don't give me any BS about professionalism elsewhere. Some forums even have dedicated sub-forums for exposing phony veterans on them, yet guess what happens if certain folks are mentioned?

As far as leading by example goes, I have absolutely no problems with calling fakes fakes, liars liars, and exposing BS & hype. You are right there's bad blood between myself and Strider, and it's the blame for that lays squarely on the unprofessional, immature, & outright dishonest behavior that I & my forum members were repeatedly subjected to. That you people were outright lied to & still line up to defend them pr make excuses is nothing short of amazing. If you are a veteran and can stomach some booted out E1 making up war stories & saying they were overseas in combat instead of in prison just so they can make money on knives... that speaks volumes about your beliefs.

There's millions of double standards taking place on "your side" - maybe you don't remember this quote: from the thread that exposed the lies. Your name is in there a bunch, defending liars. It also shows up repeatedly when other threads come up, again defending liars.

You never have to feel unwelcome because of your knife choices. Feeling unwelcome because you defend dishonesty and associated behavior is another matter.
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Spark, I admit I don't know anything about their stories (nor do I care all that much) but I do own a few of the Srider knives. They are good, strong pocket knives. I spent TOO many years in the Corps hearing the most embellished war stories (probably guilty of a few myself in my younger days!) ever told to let it bother me anymore. I appreciate everyones service, providing they did it honorably, no matter their occupation. Your site is the only knife site I visit and it has always struck me as professional. Keep up the good work, don't waste alot of time worrying about other's bs. Keep the peace, Smitty
 
I have kept up with this topic from the beginning. I have to admit that when I first received my first Strider folder I felt like I had been took. The first thought through my mind was I paid $475.00 for this (DGG SnG spear point)? I really wanted to send it back the next day. Cooler heads prevailed and I decided to sleep on it. The next day I put it in my pocket and started using the damn thing. It has become my favorite EDC blade.

I say that to say this, I really could care less whether or not the makers lived the life they say they did. They make a great product. I don't buy their knives because of their life experience or lack there of. I buy them because they are well designed and well executed. Not to mention the warranty that follows the blade.

Yeah I was disappointed at first but I got past the packaging and have sense bought 4 more of their blades both fixed and folders.

As for customer service, I have had the chance to meet Josh, the head of sales for Strider Knives face to face. He was a gentleman and represented his product well.

I am not here to harass anybody because they choose not to buy or use a Strider product because I could care less. We all make our own money. Spend it how you see fit.
 
That you people were outright lied to & still line up to defend them pr make excuses is nothing short of amazing. If you are a veteran and can stomach some booted out E1 making up war stories & saying they were overseas in combat instead of in prison just so they can make money on knives... that speaks volumes about your beliefs.

This is the part about the Strider knife posts that is wrong, Spark. None of that was mentioned by the OP, and the subject wasn't brought up until later, and not by the OP.

Some folks can't let go. Others can't stomach the overwrought hysterics that seem to get fanned anytime the owners are mentioned.

What is really going on? People who weren't directly affected listened in on someone else's beef and propagandized it. They chose to make an ethical evaluation of circumstances with a small amount of verifiable input and no direct contact with the actual participants. They chose to make a public declaration of what they thought. The chose to make it negative, and demanded apologies, phone calls, and public obeisance. They chose to insist that their decisions were final, and that all others were wrong. They chose to set their determination above all others, without consideration of other informed viewpoints from individuals who have much more of the background story and certainly a lot more credibility.

What they chose to do was set themselves up as Authority To Make A Judgement, and then pronounce their opinion as The Final Word.

I don't remember them being elected or selected to the position. Others were, and when the facts were presented, made legally binding, enforceable decisions that were carried out. Others were in authority who commanded the individuals, directed their activities, and were ultimately responsible for their actions. Others - and as far as I know, nobody who's ever posted here or elsewhere.

Posters who drag up the Strider background do so to wrap themselves in psuedo authority for their own aggrandizement, to elevate their public profile as being the only ones who can properly determine what is ethical or honorable, and rarely allow any other viewpoint to be considered appropriate without casting them as ignorant fools who lack any fortitude, morals, or character. They are dismissed as untermench, lesser beings, or even worse, fanboys.

If someone wants to pontificate about it here and impose their Final Decision, well, it's a free internet. I'm just one of those guys who tend to poke at overinflated egos who deserve a reality check about their internal motivations. I don't buy into letting people manuever themselves into undeserved and unjustified positions so they can dictate to me what I think.

I don't ignore the decisions real people with real authority made - I just don't need to add anything to it, largely from a perspective that I'm no better. I buy their stuff because I can do exactly as I please. I sure don't need anybody's permission, and I can decide for myself whether something is worth worrying about.

I reject anybody's attempt to tell me what to decide. Just ask my bride of 35 years.
 
tirod3 said:
That you people were outright lied to & still line up to defend them pr make excuses is nothing short of amazing. If you are a veteran and can stomach some booted out E1 making up war stories & saying they were overseas in combat instead of in prison just so they can make money on knives... that speaks volumes about your beliefs.

This is the part about the Strider knife posts that is wrong, Spark. None of that was mentioned by the OP, and the subject wasn't brought up until later, and not by the OP.

Some folks can't let go. Others can't stomach the overwrought hysterics that seem to get fanned anytime the owners are mentioned.

What is really going on? People who weren't directly affected listened in on someone else's beef and propagandized it. They chose to make an ethical evaluation of circumstances with a small amount of verifiable input and no direct contact with the actual participants. They chose to make a public declaration of what they thought. The chose to make it negative, and demanded apologies, phone calls, and public obeisance. They chose to insist that their decisions were final, and that all others were wrong. They chose to set their determination above all others, without consideration of other informed viewpoints from individuals who have much more of the background story and certainly a lot more credibility.

What they chose to do was set themselves up as Authority To Make A Judgement, and then pronounce their opinion as The Final Word.

I don't remember them being elected or selected to the position. Others were, and when the facts were presented, made legally binding, enforceable decisions that were carried out. Others were in authority who commanded the individuals, directed their activities, and were ultimately responsible for their actions. Others - and as far as I know, nobody who's ever posted here or elsewhere.

Posters who drag up the Strider background do so to wrap themselves in psuedo authority for their own aggrandizement, to elevate their public profile as being the only ones who can properly determine what is ethical or honorable, and rarely allow any other viewpoint to be considered appropriate without casting them as ignorant fools who lack any fortitude, morals, or character. They are dismissed as untermench, lesser beings, or even worse, fanboys.

If someone wants to pontificate about it here and impose their Final Decision, well, it's a free internet. I'm just one of those guys who tend to poke at overinflated egos who deserve a reality check about their internal motivations. I don't buy into letting people manuever themselves into undeserved and unjustified positions so they can dictate to me what I think.

I don't ignore the decisions real people with real authority made - I just don't need to add anything to it, largely from a perspective that I'm no better. I buy their stuff because I can do exactly as I please. I sure don't need anybody's permission, and I can decide for myself whether something is worth worrying about.

I reject anybody's attempt to tell me what to decide. Just ask my bride of 35 years.
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Best post yet on this subject.Everyone who purcahses a given knife is entitled to their own opinion, good or bad, and should not be cut down for it. We don't all like, or need the same things which is why there are so many fine knife companies out there
 
tirod3 said:
That you people were outright lied to & still line up to defend them pr make excuses is nothing short of amazing. If you are a veteran and can stomach some booted out E1 making up war stories & saying they were overseas in combat instead of in prison just so they can make money on knives... that speaks volumes about your beliefs.

This is the part about the Strider knife posts that is wrong, Spark. None of that was mentioned by the OP, and the subject wasn't brought up until later, and not by the OP.

Some folks can't let go. Others can't stomach the overwrought hysterics that seem to get fanned anytime the owners are mentioned.

What is really going on? People who weren't directly affected listened in on someone else's beef and propagandized it. They chose to make an ethical evaluation of circumstances with a small amount of verifiable input and no direct contact with the actual participants. They chose to make a public declaration of what they thought. The chose to make it negative, and demanded apologies, phone calls, and public obeisance. They chose to insist that their decisions were final, and that all others were wrong. They chose to set their determination above all others, without consideration of other informed viewpoints from individuals who have much more of the background story and certainly a lot more credibility.

What they chose to do was set themselves up as Authority To Make A Judgement, and then pronounce their opinion as The Final Word.

I don't remember them being elected or selected to the position. Others were, and when the facts were presented, made legally binding, enforceable decisions that were carried out. Others were in authority who commanded the individuals, directed their activities, and were ultimately responsible for their actions. Others - and as far as I know, nobody who's ever posted here or elsewhere.

Posters who drag up the Strider background do so to wrap themselves in psuedo authority for their own aggrandizement, to elevate their public profile as being the only ones who can properly determine what is ethical or honorable, and rarely allow any other viewpoint to be considered appropriate without casting them as ignorant fools who lack any fortitude, morals, or character. They are dismissed as untermench, lesser beings, or even worse, fanboys.

If someone wants to pontificate about it here and impose their Final Decision, well, it's a free internet. I'm just one of those guys who tend to poke at overinflated egos who deserve a reality check about their internal motivations. I don't buy into letting people manuever themselves into undeserved and unjustified positions so they can dictate to me what I think.

I don't ignore the decisions real people with real authority made - I just don't need to add anything to it, largely from a perspective that I'm no better. I buy their stuff because I can do exactly as I please. I sure don't need anybody's permission, and I can decide for myself whether something is worth worrying about.

I reject anybody's attempt to tell me what to decide. Just ask my bride of 35 years.
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**That means a lot coming from you.....oh thats right...your no one.
(expletives deleted)!

m**

i will definitely reconsider the next time i see a nice looking strider
 
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tirod3 said:
That you people were outright lied to & still line up to defend them pr make excuses is nothing short of amazing. If you are a veteran and can stomach some booted out E1 making up war stories & saying they were overseas in combat instead of in prison just so they can make money on knives... that speaks volumes about your beliefs.

This is the part about the Strider knife posts that is wrong, Spark. None of that was mentioned by the OP, and the subject wasn't brought up until later, and not by the OP.

Some folks can't let go. Others can't stomach the overwrought hysterics that seem to get fanned anytime the owners are mentioned.

What is really going on? People who weren't directly affected listened in on someone else's beef and propagandized it. They chose to make an ethical evaluation of circumstances with a small amount of verifiable input and no direct contact with the actual participants. They chose to make a public declaration of what they thought. The chose to make it negative, and demanded apologies, phone calls, and public obeisance. They chose to insist that their decisions were final, and that all others were wrong. They chose to set their determination above all others, without consideration of other informed viewpoints from individuals who have much more of the background story and certainly a lot more credibility.

What they chose to do was set themselves up as Authority To Make A Judgement, and then pronounce their opinion as The Final Word.

I don't remember them being elected or selected to the position. Others were, and when the facts were presented, made legally binding, enforceable decisions that were carried out. Others were in authority who commanded the individuals, directed their activities, and were ultimately responsible for their actions. Others - and as far as I know, nobody who's ever posted here or elsewhere.

Posters who drag up the Strider background do so to wrap themselves in psuedo authority for their own aggrandizement, to elevate their public profile as being the only ones who can properly determine what is ethical or honorable, and rarely allow any other viewpoint to be considered appropriate without casting them as ignorant fools who lack any fortitude, morals, or character. They are dismissed as untermench, lesser beings, or even worse, fanboys.

If someone wants to pontificate about it here and impose their Final Decision, well, it's a free internet. I'm just one of those guys who tend to poke at overinflated egos who deserve a reality check about their internal motivations. I don't buy into letting people manuever themselves into undeserved and unjustified positions so they can dictate to me what I think.

I don't ignore the decisions real people with real authority made - I just don't need to add anything to it, largely from a perspective that I'm no better. I buy their stuff because I can do exactly as I please. I sure don't need anybody's permission, and I can decide for myself whether something is worth worrying about.

I reject anybody's attempt to tell me what to decide. Just ask my bride of 35 years.
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You seem to be stereotyping everybody that won't buy a Strider because of what they did, as some sort of "Authority". I won't buy a Strider and you don't see me going around saying "Hey I'm right, don't buy that stuff". Quit acting like everybody is out to tell you what to do. Some people have made their decision and they can profess and protect it. Doing so does not make them this so called "authority" or "final word" B.S.

I have an opinion just like you. Just because mine is different and I profess it doesn't mean I'm enforcing you to believe it too. I can decide if something is worth worrying about and I did decide it was worth worrying about.

Moral of the story, no one is dictating you what to believe and no one is stopping you from pressing that add to cart button, stop making a fuss out of nothing. This is a public forum, there is no protection from disagreement here or in the real world.
 
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tjsulli790 said:
You seem to be stereotyping everybody that won't buy a Strider because of what they did, as some sort of "Authority". I won't buy a Strider and you don't see me going around saying "Hey I'm right, don't buy that stuff". Quit acting like everybody is out to tell you what to do. Some people have made their decision and they can profess and protect it. Doing so does not make them this so called "authority" or "final word" B.S.

I have an opinion just like you. Just because mine is different and I profess it doesn't mean I'm enforcing you to believe it too. I can decide if something is worth worrying about and I did decide it was worth worrying about.

Moral of the story, no one is dictating you what to believe, stop making a fuss out of nothing.
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The decision to buy not buy a knife is up to each individual. Each of us has our own criteria that we use to decide.
 
tirod3 said:
This is the part about the Strider knife posts that is wrong, Spark. None of that was mentioned by the OP, and the subject wasn't brought up until later, and not by the OP.
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You are right, it wasn't mentioned in the OP. Halfneck brought up that there was bad blood between myself and Strider, and I illustrated why. Past that, I'm at a loss as to what exactly is "wrong"... that you people are defending? That you were lied to?

tirod3 said:
Some folks can't let go. Others can't stomach the overwrought hysterics that seem to get fanned anytime the owners are mentioned.

What is really going on? People who weren't directly affected listened in on someone else's beef and propagandized it. They chose to make an ethical evaluation of circumstances with a small amount of verifiable input and no direct contact with the actual participants. They chose to make a public declaration of what they thought. The chose to make it negative, and demanded apologies, phone calls, and public obeisance. They chose to insist that their decisions were final, and that all others were wrong. They chose to set their determination above all others, without consideration of other informed viewpoints from individuals who have much more of the background story and certainly a lot more credibility.

What they chose to do was set themselves up as Authority To Make A Judgement, and then pronounce their opinion as The Final Word.
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What are you talking about? This is a bunch of nonsense, much like most of your posting on this subject. This is some fabulous misdirection though...

The facts are that Strider lied about numerous things. These resulted in a lawsuit by Chris Osman, an investigation by POWNetwork, and being outed here as well. If you have any actually, verifiable proof that his stories about serving in combat are real, serve them up... we've been waiting for a couple years and nothing has been shown to verify his claims. Thus far, unless you have something showing otherwise, lies were made.

tirod3 said:
Posters who drag up the Strider background do so to wrap themselves in psuedo authority for their own aggrandizement, to elevate their public profile as being the only ones who can properly determine what is ethical or honorable, and rarely allow any other viewpoint to be considered appropriate without casting them as ignorant fools who lack any fortitude, morals, or character. They are dismissed as untermench, lesser beings, or even worse, fanboys.
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Let me see if I understand this correctly: People who mention that Mick Strider lied about his background do this not to make others aware of the lack of ethics, integrity, honesty, or values that were touted, and warn others about this; but because they want to aggrandize themselves?

As for the latter part, if you want say that defending the actions of dishonest folks does imply, to use your words, that they "lack any fortitude, morals, or character"... well, I won't disagree with you.

Why, you could even go as far as to say
"Imitation is not always a form of flattery," said Duane Dwyer of Strider Knives. "In these kinds of cases, it's manipulative, deceptive, shows a lack of integrity and capitalizes on somebody else's hard work," he continued.
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How very interesting.

Perhaps people point out these blatant & repeated acts of dishonesty to show the outright hypocrisy of such individuals, and urge caution before believing unsourced, non-verifiable, our outright false information.

tirod3 said:
If someone wants to pontificate about it here and impose their Final Decision, well, it's a free internet. I'm just one of those guys who tend to poke at overinflated egos who deserve a reality check about their internal motivations. I don't buy into letting people manuever themselves into undeserved and unjustified positions so they can dictate to me what I think.

I don't ignore the decisions real people with real authority made - I just don't need to add anything to it, largely from a perspective that I'm no better. I buy their stuff because I can do exactly as I please. I sure don't need anybody's permission, and I can decide for myself whether something is worth worrying about.

I reject anybody's attempt to tell me what to decide. Just ask my bride of 35 years.
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This entire post is a lot of hot air. The unfortunately reality is that you, me, and the entire knife community were lied to. This is a fact. It's been verified, with citations, repeatedly, even in court.

This isn't about having "Authority To Make A Judgement" and it's not surprising that you are (yet again) denigrating everyone who got lied to.

tirod3, I'll ask you straight up: What possible justification is there for lying to promote yourself? When is it ok to do so, especially for years? You've spent a good deal of effort over the years taking shots at anyone who dared utter anything against Strider. Your name features prominently in anti-Cold Steel threads, and in any Strider thread where things "go bad". Why the hypocrisy? What makes you worthy of passing judgment on others, when they cannot have negative opinions?

tirod3, "You give respect, you get respect." - who said that? Why do you fundamentally not respect the right of people to not be lied to?
 
tirod3 said:
This is the part about the Strider knife posts that is wrong, Spark. None of that was mentioned by the OP, and the subject wasn't brought up until later, and not by the OP.

Some folks can't let go. Others can't stomach the overwrought hysterics that seem to get fanned anytime the owners are mentioned.
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I suspect that you are referring to me.

While it's true that I was not the OP, I see nothing wrong or inappropriate with letting others know about the false military claims Strider has made.
In fact, I would be doing a dis-service to my fellow Bladeforum members by not letting them know just who they are supporting.

And, NO, I will not just "let it go".

I served, as did my father and both of my brothers, and I will not willingly stand by and let others be deceived by fakes and liars who try to claim military honor that they don't deserve.
 
I served, and I'm not in the business of outing anyone.

I served, and I was never lied to by Mick or Duane.

I served, and I don't go around pointing out the character flaws of others because they don't meet my standards. There seem to be quite a few self appointed Public Ethics Judges who wrap their sense of right and wrong around themselves as holy ornament to scourge the lesser beings.

Posters who drag up the Strider background do so to wrap themselves in psuedo authority for their own aggrandizement, to elevate their public profile as being the only ones who can properly determine what is ethical or honorable, and rarely allow any other viewpoint to be considered appropriate without casting them as ignorant fools who lack any fortitude, morals, or character. They are dismissed as untermench, lesser beings, or even worse, fanboys.

Thanks, guys, you prove my point. Anybody who disagress is trashed and attacked.

Of course I respond in those threads. Did then, will now, just like many others. And I will keep pointing out that lots of members here are well aware of the hate and discontent against Strider by people who had no part in the proceedings. And I will keep pointing out that those same people won't let go, bringing up events from years ago so they can appear as the Righteous Givers of Truth to an unwashed world. And I will keep pointing out they made no effort then, and no effort now to go straight to the source and talk about it face to face. It's all heresay to them, based on others statements.

Nobody in this thread hired the lawyers, attended the trials, or was the recipient of any "awards" for their grievous suffering. You can claim the right to broadcast truth, but the truth is none of you were involved to begin with until you stuck your nose in after the fact.

You have no standing to bring a complaint to bear - unless you admit you bought a Strider convinced that the measurable value of military experience could provide a tool with more value because of it.

Good grief, Sparks, how many times have I posted that military experience doesn't mean squat because the US Military doesn't train, use, or consider a knife as a weapon to begin with? Why not profess that truth and laugh at ALL the makers who ride on their "credentials?"

Nahh, you just want to pick on one.

BTW, I'm Infantry, and arguing with an Infantryman is like wrestling with a pig, everybody gets dirty, but the pig LIKES IT.

I
 
I personally could care less what POW Network says , any site that actually uses Knifetests.com as reference material ,that tells me they use whatever data they can find , regardless of who/where it came from , verified or not , ridiculous or not.

Spark , nothing you or anyone else can say will change my personal feeling about who Mick and Duane are now. I didn't care about their background when I starting using their product , I started using their products because I liked their products , and the knives worked for me. Years later I actually got to sit , eat and drink with them , meeting them numerous times over the following years I got to know who these guys are now.

If someone wants to out someone on something just because they feel it's wrong , so be it , however , I still have a strong feeling that all this drama , happened only because of jealousy and schoolyard-like playground petty BS.

Maybe if he had wrote a fiction novel about his life first , that would have made stuff ok , heck it worked for someone else didn't it ;) (( Maybe... went to work for a small co in CA designing such items as a pen gun, a laser sighted rifle, an exploding ashtray and a high tech thumbscrew, all for sale in the international arms market. ))

After hearing the names of some of the people involved , I find the whole " investigation " laughable at best . Again my personal opinion.

Those who support , won't change , those who don't support , won't change.

I do appreciate that Spark has this forum for all knife things to be discussed on.

And yes , like Tirod3 , I too am not one who likes Cold Steel either. Mainly because :
# 1 : their outright copying other knife makers work without due credit
# 2 : having met LT a few times at SHOT where he treated both myself and a few friends like crap ( this was before I had an opinion either way on their products ).

Serious question , and no offense meant :
If someone supports CS , yet crucifies Strider , doesn't that make them a hypocrite ?

Each person is free to do what they want , express how they want. All we can each do is express our opinions and move on.
 
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I served, and I'm not in the business of outing anyone.

I served, and I was never lied to by Mick or Duane.

I served, and I don't go around pointing out the character flaws of others because they don't meet my standards. There seem to be quite a few self appointed Public Ethics Judges who wrap their sense of right and wrong around themselves as holy ornament to scourge the lesser beings.

Posters who drag up the Strider background do so to wrap themselves in psuedo authority for their own aggrandizement, to elevate their public profile as being the only ones who can properly determine what is ethical or honorable, and rarely allow any other viewpoint to be considered appropriate without casting them as ignorant fools who lack any fortitude, morals, or character. They are dismissed as untermench, lesser beings, or even worse, fanboys.

Thanks, guys, you prove my point. Anybody who disagress is trashed and attacked.

Of course I respond in those threads. Did then, will now, just like many others. And I will keep pointing out that lots of members here are well aware of the hate and discontent against Strider by people who had no part in the proceedings. And I will keep pointing out that those same people won't let go, bringing up events from years ago so they can appear as the Righteous Givers of Truth to an unwashed world. And I will keep pointing out they made no effort then, and no effort now to go straight to the source and talk about it face to face. It's all heresay to them, based on others statements.

Nobody in this thread hired the lawyers, attended the trials, or was the recipient of any "awards" for their grievous suffering. You can claim the right to broadcast truth, but the truth is none of you were involved to begin with until you stuck your nose in after the fact.

You have no standing to bring a complaint to bear - unless you admit you bought a Strider convinced that the measurable value of military experience could provide a tool with more value because of it.

Good grief, Sparks, how many times have I posted that military experience doesn't mean squat because the US Military doesn't train, use, or consider a knife as a weapon to begin with? Why not profess that truth and laugh at ALL the makers who ride on their "credentials?"

Nahh, you just want to pick on one.

BTW, I'm Infantry, and arguing with an Infantryman is like wrestling with a pig, everybody gets dirty, but the pig LIKES IT.

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By going off what you said, your philosophy lends itself to the analogy that since I was not personally affected by what Hitler did I have "no standing to bring a complaint to bear". Am I wrong?
 
Comparing Mick Strider to Hitler now? Do I even go there?

Where is one court decision comparable to the murder of millions of Jews? Are the two events in the same context? But, to take your point, where did I ever say that lawsuit shouldn't have been brought? And where was your name on it, tjsulli790?

Oh, BTW, what does that anonymous login stand for? I came up with mine because I actually have a titanium rod in my left leg.

And John, I hope I'm not contradicting myself too much, but I really don't have a big beef with Cold Steel or Lynn Thompson. He served, he's got a hopefully successful business, he's had me for a customer. I bought a City Stick while I was recovering from the leg injury. I do think he took a cheap shot in the day, but, again, what did Strider ever do to him?

Thanks very much for reminding us all that Sparks has done a great job of providing a forum where things can be discussed, even if Search is down. I just posted a favorable thread on the BM Vex - which frankly, has elements of a lot more controversial copying than a Strider knife. The box was pretty, it's already in the trash. What a waste of a tree.

Iron sharpens iron . . .
 
tirod3 said:
Comparing Mick Strider to Hitler now? Do I even go there?

Where is one court decision comparable to the murder of millions of Jews? Are the two events in the same context? But, to take your point, where did I ever say that lawsuit shouldn't have been brought? And where was your name on it, tjsulli790?

Oh, BTW, what does that anonymous login stand for? I came up with mine because I actually have a titanium rod in my left leg.

And John, I hope I'm not contradicting myself too much, but I really don't have a big beef with Cold Steel or Lynn Thompson. He served, he's got a hopefully successful business, he's had me for a customer. I bought a City Stick while I was recovering from the leg injury. I do think he took a cheap shot in the day, but, again, what did Strider ever do to him?

Thanks very much for reminding us all that Sparks has done a great job of providing a forum where things can be discussed, even if Search is down. I just posted a favorable thread on the BM Vex - which frankly, has elements of a lot more controversial copying than a Strider knife. The box was pretty, it's already in the trash. What a waste of a tree.

Iron sharpens iron . . .
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If by "taking a cheap shot", you mean Lynn Thompson told the TRUTH about Mick Strider's phony military exploits - then yeah, Thompson took a cheap shot.
 
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