Strider PT. 30 disappointing minutes.

its just a knife.

:)

I follow you, Bushman. However, when you think your purchase of said knife is supporting the work of bonafide heroes, and then you find out otherwise, you're bound to be a bit disappointed, aren't you?

Regards,
3G
 
This thread isn't about Lynn, Cold Steel, GM, Wells Fargo, or the Federal Reserve.;)

Regards,
3G

You're right. It's about how the knife is packaged and if it's normal to get an answering machine when you call them to ask about either the bag it came in or if there is any instructions. Funny how things get off topic, eh?
 
Wow - I'm amazed at how passionate people become over an inanimate object. I have been collecting / buying / using knives for over 35 years. I never spent over $175 for a knife until recently, when bitten by the CR Sebenza / Strider bug. I am a researcher by nature, and would think by the number of members belonging to this and other forums that most other avid knife users / collectors are too. There is no shortage of information on the web about Strider knives (along with a forum moderated by the Strider guys). I had no idea that Strider even existed until a few years ago when I joined a few of these forums. Before then it was whatever the local knife / gun shop or sporting goods store had on the shelf.

That being said, when the bug bit, I spent literally weeks researching both knives, watching reviews on U-tube and talking to my local knife shop owner. I even went so far as to buy the Buck / Strider Tarani collaborative (I found one locally) to carry for a few weeks to see if I liked the ergonomics and the size.

I finally broke down and bought a new SnG, as I was unsuccessful at trading several production knives for one. I'm not a police officer, Emt or Military. I'm an engineer, and spend most days in a white collar environment. When I buy something I want it to be tough and work without problems, be it a car, tractor, gun or knife. I really could care less about the packaging and instructions that come with it (BTW - mine came in a clear plastic bag inside a small tactical zipper case).

Come on - how many of you have read the instructions that come with knives or multi-tools? Usually it is sparse information written in three or more languages. I NEVER learn anything new from these.

My Dad taught me how to use and care for a knife, as I have done with my kids. He also taught me to buy the best I could afford, as you get what you pay for. Could I have been happy with my Buck Strider?? Yes. Could I have been happy with the CR Sebenza?? Certainly. I wanted something tough that would take abuse and work every time I took it out of my pocket. My Strider SnG begs to be used hard - and every time I open it I have to try some new experiment with it. I just didn't think I would be that way with the more elegant CR sebenza. I'm still in the "newlywed" mode with it, as it is only a few weeks old, but I am impressed and very happy with the acquisition. It's a keeper I hope to hand down one day.

What I would like to see more than personal opinions is actual testing of knives - side-by-side test results of Strider vs. Sebenza; Strider vs. ZT 300, Strider vs. Spyderco Military; Strider vs. Benchmade. My purchase opinions would be more easily swayed when I knew the hard facts about the capabilities rather than the perceived ones. Maybe they exist and I just haven't found them yet.

I will say one more thing - as many years as I have been using knives (hunting, fishing, yard work, home improvements, general purpose) I have never broken one or had to send one back for servicing (and it's not because I baby them, thats for sure).

Unrelated note - I appreciate the forums and the knowledgable people that contribute to them. It has saved me a lot of money over the last few years, as there are some really good people providing some really good input and advice.
 
to each his own lol.

i wouldnt buy a strider folder right now i like the hinderer '18 better, i dont like them embellishing but it hasnt stopped me from buying SKI, its not cool them doing that though.

anyone who says the strider knives are not well made is wrong plain and simple, they are good knives, imho they probably regret all this because they didnt need to do it to sell the things, they are a great knife.

I feel the same way for the most part. I tend to look at the knives and judge them independently and I'm more than happy to give as unbiased an opinion to anyone that asks me regardless of the model but it is not easy at times. I mean I'd love to say that some of the little Mantis folders are crap for reliability but the locks hold up and although the blade steel is questionable you can't beat the price for a cheap beater with a nice frame locker on it. The folders I've owned of Strider were certainly well made regardless of what I may feel about those that designed them and the worst thing I could say about the SnG or PT is that for some they are probably too rough and tough around the edges with aggressive texturing that tears up pockets and pretty stout pocket clip tension. But its part of the aura of that genre of knives I think for a tactical hard use folder. If the XM 18 was in the same price range or as available even if higher priced its a no brainer really. If somehow that model was to go 'production' look out!

Besides all the ifs ands and buts about Mick and Duane no one is arguing that they make a good knife and a great series of folders. The knives are great no question. I understand that Mick now lives in Texas so I don't know how much of a hand he or for that matter how much of a hand Duane really has in the production folders. I'm sure other good folks make and assemble those just like good folks from other places make and assemble the stuff with Cold Steel's logo stamped on them unless they are contracted out and just assembled or something of that nature. There seems to be some question about that from some with Strider as to how the knives are actually made but its of no concern since no matter how they are done they appear to be hitting a high percentage of them spot on for all areas needed to come together for a fine cutting tool.

I think you are correct in your statement about embellishment going far and wide. I'm sure many have had one too many beers and spouted off BS about some military history and on more than one occasion. I guess for me the difference is when you go from a private drunken bar room statement and take it to a magazine article in a national publication and a promotional campaign it rises above innocent statements by a slightly inebriated individual shooting the breeze to borderline questions as to if it is a crime or not for stolen valor. Anything written or said on a national or public level that they had knowledge of should have been corrected promptly IMO either at the source of the statement or by a public statement of their own in a place where it could easily be found. The key words to consider there are "had knowledge of" because we don't know for sure what either of them kept up with or not and although we could speculate all day its really between them and their god. I've really just got to say that it is a shame because as you correctly pointed out again they certainly didn't need to embellish anything on the knives part. I can't speak much for the sheath knives but the folding knives like the ons I have seen and owned stand on their own merits as I've said many times.

STR
 
samhain73
Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: MN
Posts: 2,990

I had one of the original AR's with the old Buck clip on it. I sent it in because the detent ball was worn completely down and the knife would open by itself with just taking it out of the pocket or even holding it upside down. After 2 weeks they sent it back sharpened and with a note saying they do not make that model any more, so they can't/won't fix it. So.... That was the last Strider I bought, and I had 8 at one point. YMMV.

 
samhain73
Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: MN
Posts: 2,990

I had one of the original AR's with the old Buck clip on it. I sent it in because the detent ball was worn completely down and the knife would open by itself with just taking it out of the pocket or even holding it upside down. After 2 weeks they sent it back sharpened and with a note saying they do not make that model any more, so they can't/won't fix it. So.... That was the last Strider I bought, and I had 8 at one point. YMMV.

Very strange, my buddy just got a detent ball put into one of his old AR's recently.

Speaking of the AR, The new framelock AR will be at blade show:eek:
 
I don't get it... If it's a good knife... buy it. I could care less about all the military crap. Who served where or who made what up. Marketing is full of half truths and lies... I don't pay attention to that stuf... I pay attention to the product. Like the company or not, like the marketing or not... it's a good product and if you want it... get it. If you're gonna decide not to buy cause of some honor code crap about military service... that's cool too... that's your choice... But no-one else cares. Strider is doing just fine and sells out quickly. And they'll continue to do so for a long time I'd guess. Buy what you like. I do.
 
If you're gonna decide not to buy cause of some honor code crap about military service... that's cool too... that's your choice... But no-one else cares. Strider is doing just fine and sells out quickly. And they'll continue to do so for a long time I'd guess. Buy what you like. I do.

To me, this sounds like a response from Strider himself.

Honor code "crap"? No one else cares?:confused:

I'm glad you chimed in. I feel better now. :thumbup:
 
I understand that Mick now lives in Texas so I don't know how much of a hand he or for that matter how much of a hand Duane really has in the production folders. STR
Wow, first I heard of that. Where did you get this info? Just curious!
 
Speaking of the AR, The new framelock AR will be at blade show:eek:

You know anywhere I can see a picture of a prototype or find out more about it... I'm about to pull the trigger on a Strider and this might be of interest to me... Although I kinda consider the regular AR to be a framelock with as thick as it's liners are LOL.
 
To me, this sounds like a response from Strider himself.

Honor code "crap"? No one else cares?:confused:

I'm glad you chimed in. I feel better now. :thumbup:

Seriously though... What does it matter? If people like the knife they're gonna get it. Because a handful get their feelings hurt cause of some military nonsense... it isn't gonna slow Strider down one bit.
 
Wow, darn near 300 posts about a knife shipping in a zip lock!

Anytime you see a thread title that includes the word "Strider", fix some popcorn and sit back, it's gonna be a show.
 
Seriously though... What does it matter? If people like the knife they're gonna get it. Because a handful get their feelings hurt cause of some military nonsense... it isn't gonna slow Strider down one bit.

But it did. Prices dropped, the after market dissapeared, places held on to stock longer, other places stopped selling them all together.

And the problem is if a Company or the people behind it lie about one thing, how do I know they arent lying about something else? All of a sudden them telling my SmF was supposed to do that became a question of: well is it really? Or are they just saying that because their reputation is more important than the truth?

I don't have the answer to that... but I havent had any problems with it yet so I'm hopeful.
 
Wow, first I heard of that. Where did you get this info? Just curious!

Got a call from someone in California a while back checking in with me as he does from time to time and he told me all about it when he brought it up in our conversation after he asked me if I knew anyone looking for an SnG. Sounded like he knew it as fact not gossip. I've since heard from someone else that added Mick's wife divorced him and left Cal. and Mick wanted to be closer to his kid. Made sense to me. Not that I really care one way or the other. I just brought it up because its unlikely that either of them have much to do with the production knives other than name and repuatation which is good or bad depending on point of view I guess. To me its a bad thing because it means innocent people working in a company that still makes knives in the USA gets dinged for what their bosses did to embellish their own military past accomplishments.

STR
 
I don't get it... If it's a good knife... buy it. I could care less about all the military crap. Who served where or who made what up. Marketing is full of half truths and lies... I don't pay attention to that stuf... I pay attention to the product. Like the company or not, like the marketing or not... it's a good product and if you want it... get it. If you're gonna decide not to buy cause of some honor code crap about military service... that's cool too... that's your choice... But no-one else cares. Strider is doing just fine and sells out quickly. And they'll continue to do so for a long time I'd guess. Buy what you like. I do.

Speaking as a moderator:

I am so glad you made this clear. I honestly worry I sometimes take too harsh a view of people because of one incident. But now you've reassured me that my initial negative impression of you was entirely justified.

Some "honor code crap about military service"? Is that a simple insult or trolling? Behave yourself. Strider threads often bring out the worst in people. You haven't much farther to go.
 
I hate this repetitious infighting. Nothing new, the same old sniping. But for those who wish to participate, go right ahead. Still and all, it does not seem to be about the knives at all, so it does not belong in the General Knife Discussion. Out of respect for the honest opinions expressed here, I won't move it to Whine & Cheese, which is what most of the ranting would suggest. It's off to FEEDBACK instead.
 
The vast majority of knife collectors who know what they are doing care.
The vast majority of people who have actually put their lives on the line for their country care.
 
The vast majority of knife collectors who know what they are doing care.
The vast majority of people who have actually put their lives on the line for their country care.
+1. I can't word my response to SJ in an infraction-free manner so,Thanks Gus.:thumbup:
 
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