kel_aa said:
But when you put a number on it, then the number may be disputed.
The numbers he quoted are reasonable for 3/16" hardened steel, Strider also did flex tests where he described heavy loading of one of the folders, it was described on his forum, you don't load the tip of course but stress across the main blade body. The Strider fixed blades can take *really* heavy tip loads because they have little taper and thus hit full thickness quickly. Fallkniven has done measured break tests on their blades, the tensile strength of full hardened tool steels is very high.
DaveH said:
I think the strider fans should pony up some bucks to buy a knife for testing, by Cliff ...
They don't need to buy one, all I need is a public guarantee from the maker that it can actually do what I asked. There are complaints that I have not used one which is mind boggling. I have seen numerous problems with that lock type, including one designed by the maker in question. I ask the maker if he has fixed the problem which he realized was a limitation of the Buck collaboration.
No responce. This is somehow supposed to give me confidence that the problem has been solved and make me want to rush out and buy one. Then if it does have the problem and the lock breaks I am left with what, no gaurantee and a waste of time and money. Not to mention about half the Strider fans that post argue spine whacks and torques are abusive anyway which directly states the knives can't handle them and these are the *fans* of the knife.
oldnbusted said:
...hope i didn't come across as insulting.
No, you have to work fairly hard to do that.
As for your comments about me not using a SnG considering my perspective consider yourself in the the following senario :
As a carpenter you buy some glue for a recent cabinet project. You try it and it fails to bond and cures way too slow. Maybe a fluke you think, so being a reasonable man you return it, get another one and it behaves the same. Two in a row is unlikely you think, so you switch brands. You again see the same thing.
Being curious now you do some reading and you find both glues use the same active ingredients, you do some more reading and find that has the known problems you are seeing. You contact a few people who have spent years looking at bonding agents and they share dozens of experiences. They note that it is possible to make a quality glue from those materials but it is very hard to do so.
So ok you think, I'll just get a different glue made from different materials, and you do and it works fine. However the story doesn't end there. In the next dozen years you try other samples of that type of glue because people know you are carpenter and you get it as gifts, plus every now and again you try it out when another company claims they way they handle the ingredients solves the problem.
They all do though, meanwhile the other glue you tried is still working, and dozens of other bottles of the same type are in use by friends. Then yet another manufacturer claims to have solved the problem, and they have fans saying how it is better than the glue you have been using solidly for years. To your surprise you have already used a glue from that manufacturer before and it was no better.
But being an open minded guy you go to the manufacturer, you tell them of your experience, including with their glue, and ask if their new one is actually any better, as it actually costs several times the price of the glue you are using now. They decline to comment and won't even answer the questions. Then a bunch of the fans start saying that what you use to judge glues is unreasonable, you can't expect that type of performance, this is in spite of the fact that your current glue does it all fine.
Now, does the above sound like an unreasonable man, someone who is baised about that product. I would argue that if anything it shows the complete opposite.
Considering all of this, how would in the above senario, respond if someone walked into your shop, talked about how they were getting into carpentry and asked you which glue should they buy citing a few of the above. Which one would you feel confident he would be better served by?
Go into *ANY* tradesman shop. Outline the above senario (substitute the relevant tool for glue) ask them their opinion of the individual and ask if they would have been as willing to try more of the product or how many failures they would have to see before they would write off the product and how they would respond to makers ignoring performance questions in the face of problematic user experiences.
I can *gaurantee* you for a fact, you walk onto any carpentry cite and ask a tradesmen if he had personally saw twelve hammers of a specific brand fail again and again and the manufacturer claim abuse while another brand of hammer was perfectly fine being used side by side with the broken ones, he would have *never* reached 12 broken hammers, and he would have long stopped considering them and they would be far more harsh about them than I am about liners/integrals.
-Cliff
