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See folks Cliff is evading the true very pointed question with his normal pseudo techo double speak, which he uses to get himself out of binds.

I am making a straight forward point so he does not know how to address it.

Show positive proof you are doing these test. It is that easy. Show us exactly what you are doing with these knives. Otherwise your work is a fraud.
 
Here's another one you have been overlooking, Mr. Clark.

Cliff Stamp said:
Answer the question, do you actually dispute the knife behaved the way I described it, in spite of several makers who use D2 actually publically disputing you? One of the makers in the Agent thread complained about the fact that I dug in wood at all because D2 is so fragile the knife could break if it was just stabbed into wood, or even dropped.
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We're all eagerly awaiting your reply, especially since mr. Stamp added this to his last post in the Dozier-Agent thread:
"Note as well, that in the above, ATR and Razorback knives both really critize doing the work done with the tip of the Agent as it was obvious it would break and thus it was pointless, as I noted lots of people would argue otherwise. Recently another knifemaker even claimed that the break I described would actually need a vice, ref :
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...d.php?p=3033406"

You can't just ignore that, can you?
Please try to answer this question without making a moderator intervene.

....off to make more popcorn.
 
Plan on it. But as Cliff has back tracked and said it does not actually really show him using the knife in question it is a mute point.

Cliff should provide proof with every review that he writes. Look at all the other reviews on this forum. Almost all the field testing threads come with photos of the guys using the knives. So why not Cliffs. Because he does not use them thats why. Or he does not use them the way he claims.

Cliff did not think that I knew who gave him the knife. When I mentioned the owner of the knife and supposed video by name, Cliff started back peddling about what the video actually showed.
 
So this Gabe is it Gabe Newell? Anybody have an email for him? I'll ask him if he can extract a still for us. Or otherwise can confirm the video.

Once again truth is you have no proof because you do no testing but actually just sit at your keyboard making stuff up.
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So cliff must have photoshopped these images for example?

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Edit: I just sent a PM to Gabe Newell to see is he has said video and can extract an image for us.
 
All I see are knives in those photos. No context of how they were used or what was done to them. That is exactly the problem I am stating. I want to see Cliff using those knives while doing his actual testing. Otherwise he could have just beat those knives around with hammers.
 
Why would Stamp do this? Spending all of this time, creating his own website, faking all of the reviews for what? To promote some knives but not others?
 
Ego!

To be looked upon as something special. Who knows. They tell me that when Cliff first joined he did pretty much straight up reviews with photos (much like I am requesting). He got to be popular around here and well liked. That is when the "give me a knife" demands started. No free knife, bad review. It was down hill from there.

I would very much like to see it go back to the way it was before. We can always use a good knife tester. But I have doubts that Cliff could return to what he once was. He is too corrupted by his own ego.
 
This si from the promghorn thread, just FYI if anyone was curious besides me.

I mentioned this to Ed as soon as the problems started as it was clear to me that this could not possibly be the intended behavior of the knife and wished to halt the review as I had no desire to illustrate the behavior of what I assumed was a defect of some kind. I also made it clear that this review could actually be pretty much totally scrapped if the knife was determined to be a flaw (or just reduced to a footnote in a review of a functional sample). I very much wanted to get this knife checked out. He declined to have any part in the process or even to discuss the expected performance.

I also video taped some of the bending and prying work as quite frankly even though I did it, it still is very hard to believe, how it bend with the wood impacts for example. I then repeated on tape the same work with another knife (thinner) to clearify the difference and illustrate it is a still and not geometry issue. I will be sending a copy back to Gabe, but not making it publically available, unless Ed feels that the blade should actually be performing like it did.
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R.W.Clark said:
Ego!
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R.W.Clark said:
I have earned three awards thank you very much. See you don't win these things. But I guess you would not know anything about that.
Yah, your right I am only a poor to fair maker. Oh, thanks I needed a good laugh this morning.
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:rolleyes:
 
R.W.Clark said:
Ego! I would very much like to see it go back to the way it was before. We can always use a good knife tester. But I have doubts that Cliff could return to what he once was. He is too corrupted by his own ego.
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He's more knife than man now...
LOL

Seriously if he shows photos and video then you will just find something else to complain about. I'm not going to ask you to just take the tests for what they are, but that is what I will continue to do. They are useful, and they haved saved me hundreds of dollars.

Pathetic...
 
I don't ask for free knives, I don't keep knives which are given to me for review, I don't even accept a discount on knives because of a review.

I never said the LM1 was broke on the video and recounted. I asked you two years ago if you wanted to see it broke on video and you showed no interest. This is public record in this forum.

I did a video for the reasons noted in the above and I am pretty sure the LM1 knife is in it partially, I think edge impacts.

Taking a picture of a knife in the manner noted above is meaningless to show proof, you could easily chop it into a rock 10 times then take a picture of it hitting concrete and claim that did the damage.

If I did this with one of Clarks knives would he accept that as proof of how they behaved.

I have asked Dozier if he disputes the tip break in email and if he wants to see the K2 broken, if he does I have no problem doing either.

I am still waiting for the rest to comment publically on the D2 issue.

Note here that Clark attacks me for describing the D2 break which he disputes could not happen without a vice and STR attacks the review for describing the D2 break which he says was so obvious it was pointless.

They both have divergent opinions but notice won't confront each other but are quite content to let both attacks ride. This should tell you something about the intended purpose.

-Cliff
 
Hey I have an idea, Clark, why don't you test a few knives in a way that everybody on this forum finds appropriate, test 5 of each too otherwise Strider will get angry, all while taking digital video of it. Then have this site host the video so we can all see it!

Or pay Cliff Stamp the money to do this, after we all agree on testing protocols.

I say start off with a few striders and a few mad dogs, that way we can put their ridiculously false "guarantees" to the test. Cap it off with a few Doziers, the SOG Pentagon... hmm what else... and how about a few Khukuris.
 
I'm grateful for what Cliff does, and while I may not always agree with him, I do enjoy his reviews. He tests knives to failure so I don't have to. I have yet to see any of the people (Makers) attacking Cliff post pictures or videos of their "destructive testing". Mr. Clark, why don't you lead by example and post some pictures and/or video of your destructive testing process?
 
Actually, all Cliff has to do is show proof that he is actually doing the tests. Despite silly claims to the otherwise photos will show at least that he is out from in from of a computor.

Show himself with the knife he is reviewing doing each task he is claiming. He does that I will back of and let him be. Other wise I will be right here. I am asking no more than I do when I publicly post results of testing.

All your other comments are meaningless to the question at hand.
 
How will photos of the testing prove anything? Only video will. Even that can be faked. The point is use common sense, Stamp has nothing to gain by lying like you say he does. The only way to be sure is to test it yourself, so do it. And please show us!
 
Bored with this for now. Cliff knows he can't provide proper proof of his testing and this is taking too much of my time.

I won't be posting back to this thread but I will be monitoring Cliffs future reviews and tests. If I see BS better believe I will be calling him out again
 
R.W.Clark said:
I won't be posting back to this thread but I will be monitoring Cliffs future reviews and tests. If I see BS better believe I will be calling him out again
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Looking forward to that! Please try doing so in a civil manner.
What BS? Do you really think you convinced anyone?
All you succeeded in doing was to lose some credibility and respect.
(and maybe embarrass a couple of your fellow moderators, forcing them to reprimand one of their one)

I'm looking forward even more to mr. Stamp refuting all your arguments with ease, yet again.

BTW, we still haven't heard your explanation of how two knifemakers (Razorback and yourself), can have such differing ideas about the same knife/steel and the force needed to break it.
Your refusal to deal with this question is harming both your reputations.
 
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