strider

[R.W.Clark]

All I am hearing from Cliff is more wind as I expected. Put up or shut up Cliff. Show proof you are actually picking up knives and doing tests. I want to see knives in YOUR hands DOING CUTTING.

But that won't happen will it. You lied about Strider. You lied about providing me with a video over a year ago.

Your lies hurt good makers and good companies. You are a fraud. Until you prove me otherwise with hard factual proof not just windbag text I will continue to expose you for what you are.

 

[Cliff Stamp]

You lied about Strider.

As I noted this was false. I stated they don't have an equal warrenty policy and they clearly don't.

You lied about providing me with a video over a year ago.

So is this, you turned down the request I made, you stated this in public on the forum, and the owner has the video, you could have just asked him of course.

Can you deny that by slighting the product he makes at every chance you get is not really an attack?

I don't. Count the threads on Strider and how many I participate in. When I post it would be when someone says something like "The SnG is way stronger than the Manix" and so on.

Note I also say the same about the makers I "favor". When someone asked about the Rat Trap folder vs a large lock back from Spyderco I supported the lockback for heavier use.

-Cliff

 

[R.W.Clark]

You are so full of it.

I guess the powers that be see it too based on your new title.

I will be contacting Gabe to get a copy of this supposed video. Although I did not refuse it like you claim.

Now start showing proof that you are performing these tests by showing the knives IN YOUR HANDS WITH YOU DOING THE TESTING!

 

[Cliff Stamp]

Although I did not refuse it like you claim.

You refused it in the first page of the review in this very forum.

-Cliff

 

[R.W.Clark]

Well, put it up here for all to see! You can use mpeg form or still capture.

 

[3Guardsmen]

Why don't you offer evidence to the contrary then? Or do you feel that personal attacks speak louder than facts? The more people attack Cliff, the more I am tend to believe what he says, so thanks for giving me added confidence in what Cliff says!

Wow! I voice an opinion, do not make any personal attacks whatsoever, nor do I say anything negative about a knife/brand, and I get multiple reputation dings by people saying things like "Newbe, you will learn". At least I am big enough to sign my screen-name to my opinions!

 

[Cliff Stamp]

It was tape, hell my video camera is only 1 meg. it does what I need. If I have $500 I am buying a knife not a new camera.

-Cliff

 

[3Guardsmen]

I would like to know what exactly I "will learn"? Why don't you take the time to spell it out for me? Will I be learning that it's bad form around here to ask that a Moderator not make personal attacks? Will I be learning that I can't voice an opinion, that's not an attack, without reprisal? Why don't you explain it to me, please?

 

[Cliff Stamp]

I would like to know what exactly I "will learn"?

1) The rules don't apply equally to everyone

2) Certain people don't take questions well let alone critism

3) People love to flame on the internet

-Cliff

 

[R.W.Clark]

Most likely you will learn what the long timers around here have learned.

Cliff is a windbag BSer. And as his title says May or maynot contain factual information.

Cliff as the big time grad student you claim to be you should know that it is a easy matter to grab stills off video. Lame reasons not to post proof of testing.

Once again truth is you have no proof because you do no testing but actually just sit at your keyboard making stuff up.

Thats not a personal attact, that is a direct attact at fradulant science and personal biases being passed as field research. Prove me wrong!

 

[crossada]

i find it overwhelming how s30v is used in every cutlery product out there today from the big survival knives, hatchets, folders and pen knives from the hi end market to the overseas knock off companies.

is it really the end all be all steel

imo no

 

[Cliff Stamp]

...it is a easy matter to grab stills off video.

The camcorder recorded on a tape, I had it transferred it to a VHS tape. No digital connection possible, wasn't my camera, got it off a friend, no idea what it could do beyond that as I was just interested in a video for Gabe. That was two years ago, the camera was old then. As I noted, I offered a video to you and you showed no interest, *in a public thread* and just went on a personal rant. Are you still denying this, I can call up the thread.

I sent a copy to the owner as he asked for it. He probably still has it I would assume. It isn't overly interesting to watch. If I recall it has some bending of the Pronghorn and straightening, and some edge impacts with the LM1 knife. It is really short, like a few minutes, and was mainly to illustrate the ease at which the Pronghorn bent. Yeah it proves I bent a pronghorn and it bent easily, it has a basically annealed spine, not surprising.

By the way, anyone on Bladeforums can pay and give anyone else a title. You can then pay yourself and get into a pseudo-ebay bidding war with someone with personal titles, I would prefer to actually discuss knives.

-Cliff

 

[R.W.Clark]

End all be all. No. No such thing as an end all be all material. But as stainless steels go it is pretty much the highest performing steel at the moment. With 3V being the best performer of the carbons.

INFI gets good reviews as well on the carbon end. Have not found that to be the case myself but to each their own. So long as the testing is real and valid and backable.

My problem here is that Cliffs testing is none of the above, at least not in any way that he can prove.

When I test (or most people for that matter, who make their results public) I provide detailed photos and video, I normally have impartial witnesses to what I am doing who can verify my activity and I use standard test media.

All we get from Cliff is typed words. Well, thats just not good enough when you start slamming companies products. Anyone can break the tip of a Dozier and make up any story they want to about how it broke when there is no one around to check your story.

Cliff could put all this to rest by providing proper proof and backing with his claims. But in 6 years and over 7000 posts he has choosen not to do so and has made some of the dumbest excuses here I have ever heard.

 

[R.W.Clark]

Pronghorn? What pronghorn. And I hate to tell ya, but I did not pay for that title.

And you can pull stills from VHS. I do it all the time. Simple software.

Still nothing but wind Cliff. Big huge blowhard wind.

So even on that video you did not show how you broke the LM1? Figures! Man you are such a fraud. So how big a vice did you use to break the tip on the Dozier?

 

[Cliff Stamp]

Pronghorn? What pronghorn.

Gabe sent two knives, the review was supposed to be on a Pronghorn, the LM1 was more of an after thought.

And you can pull stills from VHS. I do it all the time. Simple software.

Yes I would assume you need a suitable video card. My computer is a pure number cruncher, I don't care about graphics at all. Don't even know what video card this is running.

So even on that video you did not show how you broke the LM1?

It was two years ago, I don't recall if that was in the video or not. Like I noted, the Fowler knife was the main reason for the video. You were not interested in seeing anything on tape.

So how big a vice did you use to break the tip on the Dozier?

Small piece of pine.

See STR, this is what I mean about public perception. Now do you understand what I said about not everyone thinking the tip would break so readily?

-Cliff

 

[R.W.Clark]

Its not a matter of perception Cliff, it is a matter of credability and you have none.

Post photos that show you carving the bowl and we MIGHT believe you. Show a broken tip of a well made knife and claim that it broke carving wood and we call BS.

Talk is cheap and yours is cheaper than most.

So I will say it again. It is time for you to put up or shut up.

 

[Joe Talmadge]

Sorry I haven't been monitoring this thread. But, now that I've seen it, here's what I have to say to start: the rules about personal attacks do apply to everybody, including moderators. Especially moderators. I'm thinking I'll let everything so far stand; it speaks for itself. No more personal attacks.



Joe

 

[Cliff Stamp]

Show a broken tip of a well made knife and claim that it broke carving wood and we call BS.

You should, but I never said carving. I don't imagine you could break a knife carving I have a 1095 paring knife at full hard that I could carve wood with all day long. The tip broke when I was leveraging wood out.

Surprising to me based on the force used and the density of the wood, neither of that would be obvious in a picture. For example if the wood was dense and seasoned the tip of the Safari Skinner would likely have broken as well.

Do you really want to argue that Dozier's knives should be used to dig/pry in woods? Have you talked to him about this promotion of his knives? Do you realize that he says the exact opposite?

-Cliff

 

[R.W.Clark]

It is very simple Cliff. Prove you are using the knives you review. Meet the same standards that every other professional reviewer would meet. Show photos of you using the knives.

If you do not do that, I say your testing is a fraud. Period.

Write any longwinded excuse you want but it comes down to the same thing. You actually using a knife.

 

[Cliff Stamp]

Answer the question, do you actually dispute the knife behaved the way I described it, in spite of several makers who use D2 actually publically disputing you? One of the makers in the Agent thread complained about the fact that I dug in wood at all because D2 is so fragile the knife could break if it was just stabbed into wood, or even dropped.

I have another Dozier in D2. I can easily break the tip by digging in wood, the tip on this one is thicker than on the Agent, so the wood would need to be denser and the penetration further, but the tip isn't extremely thick, so spruce at 1/2" should readily cause a break. I can easily get this on video all you have to do is make a public statement that you guarantee it won't happen and warrenty that the knife won't behave this way because Dozier asked me to review it and I have things planned for it that having the tip cracked off prevents.

Do this and then I'll contact Dozier and see if he want to see the tip break in such a manner and also that he agrees with your viewpoint, which I would be very surprised if he does, and I can then get a series of pictures of the knife in the wood, and bending it slowly until the tip goes
[*]. If there is anyone besides Clark that disputes that this will happen I would like to see them make a post here because what is likely to happen is everyone is silent until after the tip breaks and the pictures are up and then people start to complain that it is unfair and pointless, which by the way I think it is personally.

However no one else now seems to think so inspite of a host of people complaining about it earlier in the week, so make up your mind people you can't complain about me doing something and then not doing something at the same time, it has to be one or the other.

-Cliff

[*] To be clear I don't argue that this actually proves the knife has the behavior shown, I just don't have a problem doing it.