Strongest folding knife !

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FFK said:
"You slap two pieces of steel together on a pin with a nut at one end and an overcenter lever lock on the other.....it's Strong.....Very Strong !
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And this is a quote from somebody? Or is it just you selling your locking system again?

Again, none of this sounds like you gathering feedback. It all sounds like you defending your knife whenever someone questions your design in "your" thread.
 
FFK said:
"You slap two pieces of steel together on a pin with a nut at one end and an overcenter lever lock on the other.....it's Strong.....Very Strong !
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OK, But we are a knife forum. If you are talking about a cargo holder lock down or lock box fastener I can see an application,
But how is this a benefit on a small pocket sized knife?
 
Laurence,
I'm Not suppose to talk about $. I wish I had unlimited resources. I have done as much as I can afford to this point.....design....simulations....patent, they all take a chunk $. Every time I need to spend $ my wife lets me hear about it. Not complaining...she's the best! This is the 4th FFK prototype $. If any of you guys know what prototypes cost then you'll understand. It will take some time but I will get it done. This is not a solicitation either !
 
FFK said:
"You slap two pieces of steel together on a pin with a nut at one end and an overcenter lever lock on the other.....it's Strong.....Very Strong !
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Yeah, you've said that already.

To this point, the only supporting data for the FFK are numbers generated by a computer. I RAGED in COD: Black Ops, frequently going 30-5 kill/death, but that doesn't make me an operator, and it will certainly get me chastised if I tout my skill set as battle proven on a Military forum board.

You've been given some good member feedback, some bad member feedback, and some priceless feedback by those in the knife making industry, but your attitude and responses to criticism are betraying you.

I wish you all the best, the more knives we have to chose from, the better. I like your ingenuity.
 
SpookStrickland said:
I think you guys are just jealous you did not think of it first. This thing is in it's infancy let him work on it and see where it goes instead of trying to crush his dreams.
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If, by"infancy," you mean "in its 4th prototype," then you are correct.
 
Laurence,
I don't think the over-center lock is suited for a small knife. The prototypes we've made were on the small size because of $.
I think the lock is very relevant on a large folder say 9" to 12" when open. The reason for the design is I think it would be cool to have that capability folded in a sheath on my hip.
 
Mike,
So you spent your money to have a prototype made that wasn't what you envision the end product to be?
Why would you do that? It's not much more to make a 9" prototype, if you are already shelling out the upfront big costs. I am not trashing you, I just don't understand why you would have something made that wasn't what you really want?
 
Mike,
There are plenty of knife makers in Florida. Find one that you can make a deal with to build a few full size knives with your lock system. You don't need the expense of a large lab/Prototype shop.
Get four or five 9" knives made and start with the real world testing.
 
SpookStrickland said:
I think you guys are just jealous you did not think of it first. This thing is in it's infancy let him work on it and see where it goes instead of trying to crush his dreams.
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I can only speak for myself, but I'm just trying to offer some construction criticism as both a knife user and a knife maker.

As has somewhat been stated, I think the gun has been jumped somewhat in regard to the yet unsubstantiated claims already being made about this product. Load simulations on a computer are well and good, but they don't always reflect real world events, and they're rarely proof enough for a consumer.

Personally, I don't think the testing needs to be too elaborate or expensive at all. Just take a look at some of the Cold Steel or Andrew Demco triad lock stress tests. It amounts to little more than a few dollars worth of angle iron, some bolts, and 2-300 lbs worth of weights suspended from a cable that's wrapped around the knife handle.

Granted, I do understand you must add the cost of your prototype to this, as you will undoubtedly want to test it to failure, but that's already bought and paid for.

If you want people to buy what you're selling (figuratively speaking at this point), grab some angle, a fixed blade, and another folder of your choice, and start filming. :thumbup:
 
Laurence,
It's a story that it had to do with $(saving quite a bit) and not really in the scope of this forum topic.
 
FFK said:
Laurence,
I'm Not suppose to talk about $. I wish I had unlimited resources. I have done as much as I can afford to this point.....design....simulations....patent, they all take a chunk $. Every time I need to spend $ my wife lets me hear about it. Not complaining...she's the best! This is the 4th FFK prototype $. If any of you guys know what prototypes cost then you'll understand. It will take some time but I will get it done. This is not a solicitation either !
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Angry. Why are you so angry? It doesn't help your idea at all. There are countless people on this board who build knives. Countless who have their own companies or fill positions in companies and each week manage 10x the amount of money you put into your little pet project of yours. Men and women who might die protecting this country. Police, firefighters and of course, mall ninjas. Do you see them pretending to be the most knowledgeable people in the world up front and in your face? Or are they humble, quiet and cool?

Do you see other people around you at all? Or do you live in a strange world that all what matters is you?

A smart man will take criticism and say: "Thank you" instead of attacking everyone. You see, this board and your introduction has gone wrong already. If you ever try to actually sell your idea, people will post about it here and guess what? People will point to this and your last thread. And guess what? Anyone interested in your knive will see that you are a certain type of person. I wouldn't buy from someone like that.

If you invent the wheel, or airplanes, or that the earth isn't the center of the universe, THEN you cam be an fool about it. BUT you didn't invent anything close to that. You invented a variation of something that has been around for ages, isn't any stronger because the blade STILL will snap before the lock breaks, just like on other designs. All while it isn't very comfortable to hold.

I suggest you rethink your entire approch, apologize for your stuck up holier than thou attitude and invest in a person with actual PR and people skills or get your act together and deal with criticism like normal people.

You lock isn't the next big thing. It's a cool variation. Treat it as such, just like all the members here have done. Also, if you can pay for analysis and prototypes, 75 bucks shouldn't be a problem?

Lastly, in your video I get the feeling you don't even trust your design because you press on surfaces so gently it's obvious you don't want to break something. Stop being that guy and go break it.

God bless.

Edit: The company that is saving 3 USD worth of steel and 4 USD of tool costs but selling you a "small" prototype for cheaper than what you really want is cheating you out of your money. Just saying. Making it twice as big will cost 20 bucks more tops. Do what Rhinoknives1 says, switch your knifemaker ASAP.
 
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Tripton said:
If you are making a folding knife to have a maximum amount of strength from side forces, why are you using such a thin blade stock? That blade would snap LONG before any kind of normal pivot would.
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Hummm i posted the same thing on the comment section of his video
 
It's a long story that it had to do with $(saving quite a bit) and not really in the scope of this forum topic.
 
Dcaggie06 said:
From an advertising standpoint, I, for one, don't see an issue with the phrase fixed blade capability. Many on the forum are approaching this from the aspect of the buyer. FFK wants advice as a seller/designer. Is this knife capable of performing on par with a fixed blade? Sure. Pretty much any knife is capable. Will it? Who knows. Is it a fixed blade? No, but he's not calling it that. It's a simple matter of semantics; what the def of is, is.

PS I don't hate the design as much as some, I just think the locking mechanism is cumbersome. It might truly be the strongest folding lock, but it appears like it would be rough to field dress with that.

Best of luck with your endeavor!
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Don't those two categories overlap? Realistically, a designer needs to incorporate design features which make a product that will appeal to consumers.

For example, the need to open the knife and then in a separate step manually lock the knife closed may be a feature that turns some users off, because it makes the knife not as nimble for one-handed opening and closing that is often needed with folders. The ability to flick the knife open and it automatically lock makes frequent fast usage and times in which the knife must be ready to cut ASAP capable of doing work faster. Having the opening & locking as a simultaneous step may also reduce the chance of the knife being dropped or fumbled in a fashion that would damage the knife or injure the user.

One possible way to supplement here is to have the lock held open with friction or magnets like some of the UK-bound Spydercos so the knife can be used for these fast cuts without having to add a second step to lock the blade when using it frequently for tasks in which lock strength is not a critical issue.

edit: another functional issue that affects sales negatively with these types of knives with seriously hardcore locks is that many of these knives have gotten a reputation for developing blade play over time with hard use. In most cases, these locks are more complicated than what the user is comfortable taking apart, and many are limited in part swaps. This turns many buyers off. Sometimes, extensive quantities of parts also limits how much the user can adjust the knife. It sounds like this particular knife could possibly avoid these problems.
 
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Quiet said:
LOL Could you imagine FFK's face when he got it back and it had been Waved?
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This would actually allow for another advertising avenue to open up... "The World's Strongest Folding Knife... Also opens your drink!" :D I say include as many selling points as possible.
 
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