Super Steels: What's the point?

mkjellgren said:
Keep in mind the edge geometry can have a MASSIVE impact on cutting performance, enough to negate steel differences in some cases.
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Also blade thickness along with edge geometry combined can have a large effect.

Slip Joints are usually pretty thin depending on what they are and that can have an impact, but still THAT slip joint in 1095 and they are usually pretty low hardness (Mid 50's) for 1095 out cutting S30V at 60 HRC in a Military on rope even at 40 degrees inclusive would be a stretch..... ???

We aren't talking about a Custom knife in 1095 at 64 HRC at 20 degrees inclusive and .010" behind the edge.
 
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Ankerson said:
Also blade thickness along with edge geometry combined can have a large effect.

Slip Joints are usually pretty thin depending on what they are and that can have an impact, but still THAT slip joint in 1095 and they are usually pretty low hardness (Mid 50's) for 1095 out cutting S30V at 60 HRC in a Military on rope even at 40 degrees inclusive would be a stretch..... ???

We aren't talking about a Custom knife in 1095 at 64 HRC at 20 degrees inclusive and .010" behind the edge.
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you keep insinuating that it is "a stretch" and an "impossibility" and that something is "very wrong." I was there. I saw it happen, in fact, I did it personally. So, you can either outright call me a liar or be a little less arrogant. :)

I agree that the difference in the style of blades are a factor. Both knives were sharpened on the same device at the same setting and cut the same brand of rope. The rope that I cut with the Schrade was dirtier and grittier as I had found it on a beach. The rope cut with the Spyderco was close to new as far as I can remember. My observations are about as scientific as repeatedly cutting rope on a cutting board or batoning a folding knife until the lock fails.... however, they are real world observations that I made while using a knife in an environment that is unusually demanding on tools. YMMV and take what you will from it. ;)
 
Pete1977 said:
you keep insinuating that it is "a stretch" and an "impossibility" and that something is "very wrong." I was there. I saw it happen, in fact, I did it personally. So, you can either outright call me a liar or be a little less arrogant. :)

I agree that the difference in the style of blades are a factor. Both knives were sharpened on the same device at the same setting and cut the same brand of rope. The rope that I cut with the Schrade was dirtier and grittier as I had found it on a beach. The rope cut with the Spyderco was close to new as far as I can remember. My observations are about as scientific as repeatedly cutting rope on a cutting board or batoning a folding knife until the lock fails.... however, they are real world observations that I made while using a knife in an environment that is unusually demanding on tools. YMMV and take what you will from it. ;)
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You seem to forget that you're on the internet. People aren't just going to take your word for it when you say something that doesn't make any sense.
 
Pete1977 said:
you keep insinuating that it is "a stretch" and an "impossibility" and that something is "very wrong." I was there. I saw it happen, in fact, I did it personally. So, you can either outright call me a liar or be a little less arrogant. :)

I agree that the difference in the style of blades are a factor. Both knives were sharpened on the same device at the same setting and cut the same brand of rope. The rope that I cut with the Schrade was dirtier and grittier as I had found it on a beach. The rope cut with the Spyderco was close to new as far as I can remember. My observations are about as scientific as repeatedly cutting rope on a cutting board or batoning a folding knife until the lock fails.... however, they are real world observations that I made while using a knife in an environment that is unusually demanding on tools. YMMV and take what you will from it. ;)
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Sounds like one of those I skinned and butchered 25 deer with my knife and it still shaved hair stories.
 
Pseudonym said:
You seem to forget that you're on the internet. People aren't just going to take your word for it when you say something that doesn't make any sense.
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Maybe someone can also walk on water too..... ;)
 
Pseudonym said:
You seem to forget that you're on the internet. People aren't just going to take your word for it when you say something that doesn't make any sense.
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some of us actually have to work, and don't have the time to play knife tester and take videos. no work=no pay. no pay=no money. no money=no new knives...

Ankerson said:
Sounds like one of those I skinned and butchered 25 deer with my knife and it still shaved hair stories.
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Neither knife shaved hair after.. in fact, the Spyderco didn't even cut...oh wait, that was you being an arrogant know-it-all again...

Ankerson said:
Maybe someone can also walk on water too..... ;)
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you can just insult me directly. I have a pretty thick skin...no need to do it in a roundabout way...
 
Pete1977 said:
some of us actually have to work, and don't have the time to play knife tester and take videos. no work=no pay. no pay=no money. no money=no new knives...
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If you can't back it up because you "don't have time" then quit arguing about it.
 
Geometry was the same. If anything the wider military blade mounted in the clamp would create a lower sharpening angle. The edges may not have been the same initial sharpness, if the military was given the same number of strokes as the Schrade.

Measuring edge holding is tricky. I have repeatable, reliable catra results of an actual order of magnitude difference in performance with nearly identical knives, edge geometry being the only difference. S125V, S30V, 154CM, and dozens of other alloys can give results that match or swap placement just on edge angle.

Also, I would agree with the high carbide fraction steels being harder to sharpen. With more strokes comes more room for error, and it only takes one bad pas to wreck a section of edge or tip, and then the repair also takes more time and effort. Sharpening time is measured in minutes anyway, so a difference of minutes is significant to the task, if not to the total span of our lives.
 
Pete1977 said:
some of us actually have to work, and don't have the time to play knife tester and take videos. no work=no pay. no pay=no money. no money=no new knives...



Neither knife shaved hair after.. in fact, the Spyderco didn't even cut...oh wait, that was you being an arrogant know-it-all again...



you can just insult me directly. I have a pretty thick skin...no need to do it in a roundabout way...
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It's against forum rules to insult someone. ;)

I can say that I don't believe it though.
 
Pete1977 said:
you keep insinuating that it is "a stretch" and an "impossibility" and that something is "very wrong." I was there. I saw it happen, in fact, I did it personally. So, you can either outright call me a liar or be a little less arrogant. :)
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He doesn't need to insinuate, knives being physical objects form this world obey the same laws as the rest of the things. Steel compositions, at least for 1095 and CPM S30V are published, and former has no strong carbide formers, while later does. The only case when 1095 could outcut S30V would be higher hardness + polished edge + using push cutting. Based on your post, that was not a case. Wear resistance, toughness, etc are measurable properties and there is no magic that'd make 1095 outperform S30V for what you described.

So, yeah, I believe it could happen if your S30V was not sharp to begin with or it had failed HT, something like that, but none of that can be used as proof of 1095 outpeforming S30V on the rope or anything else for that matter.
 
I believe him, it is a single account dealing with one person and two specific knives. Anything can happen, at least once. And anything can be the cause. There's no reason to call him a liar, since there's no reason to think he is lying.
 
What's the point? Why do I have dozens of knives and hang out on knife forums? From a utilitarian point of view I could easily have stopped at two knives and any decent steel would do. For me, though, it's a HOBBY. I like trying and using different designs and different steels. I can't wait for my 204P Para 2's to get here. The point is that it is fun.
 
hardheart said:
I believe him, it is a single account dealing with one person and two specific knives. Anything can happen, at least once. And anything can be the cause. There's no reason to call him a liar, since there's no reason to think he is lying.
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Claiming that 1095 is a more wear resistant steel than S30V =/= saying something went wrong with a knife in S30V and it dulled really quickly. So lying? Maybe not. But definitely full of something.
 
No, he hasn't. He gave his personal preference based on a personal experience. And who cares who he back-talks, only doing it to a mod/admin would get him in any actual trouble.
 
hardheart said:
No, he hasn't. He gave his personal preference based on a personal experience. And who cares who he back-talks, only doing it to a mod/admin would get him in any actual trouble.
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Lol wow.

@Ankerson I thought all the work you put into testing steels might make you worthy of a little respect. I guess I'm wrong.
 
hardheart said:
Don't back-talk me, look how old my account is.

Seems rather silly, doesn't it.
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Yes, it does. But "don't back-talk me, I've put hours upon hours of work into testing things that you "don't have time for" and yet feel entitled to argue about" doesn't. Anyway that's just my take on it; I'm sure Ankerson is more reasonable than I am.
 
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