Survival/Bushcraft/camp hard work blade. Too much HRC?

I won't get into Dozier nor any other famous hters trap. My point was if WT nailed D2 ht, their offer hrc # should be at least in the range of CPM D2 or CTS-XHP. Earlier, I noted similar statement about the performance diff between my D2 and M4 wasn't large. Pushing OP choose wisely to get more value for same money.

shqxk said:
Wow... since when 59-60 is too soft/weak? Dozier HT their D2 to 60RC so would you said his D2 is inferior too?

The biggest name semi-custom brand here who has high quality custom HT furnace with digital control electrical molten salt pot and L2N dewar HT his D2 to 59-60 and his D2 sprang almost every commercial brand powdered steel in robe cutting test including Elmax and M390. Only some Helle and Dozeir knife in D2 that are on par with his D2.

I always think judging steel just from HRC is kind of inadvisable.
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Choosing among orange, tangerine and apple - I pick CPM 3V at 60rc (tangerine :D). Simply because PM tech and lower carbide volume, therefore assume avg ht - I expect certain given advance attributes over high alloy ingot steel.

Staind97 said:
What about Bravo 2 CPM 3V ?
https://www.knivesshipfree.com/bark-river-knives-bravo-2-cpm-3v/
This 254$.
CPM 3V @ 59-61RC it's better than D2 of WT?

There is a review : http://www.hic-sunt-leones.info/prove-e-recensioni/wander-tactical-dimorphodon/
In some pic, we can see the difference whit knife like Busse hell razor SE 2008, molletta carthago, Trc apocalypse in m390, B.K. Johnson camp knife, Tops tex creek xl, E.R. Dobermann IV, Ferhman Final Judgement satin.

I will write at this guy to ask some question.
But i'm actually undecided by :
-Lionsteel M7 : Sleipner 60/61HRC - 240 €
-Trc Apocalypse l: M390 59-60 HRC (heat/cryo-treated) - 340 € [100 euros more than M7..]
-Wander tactical Dimorphodon : D2 at 59/60HRC (cryo-treated) - 320 €
-Bark river Bravo 2 : CPM 3V 59-61 HRC - 250€

And i think that's all.. Or maybe i'm forgetting something. HellRazor Busse would be perfect, but, where i can found one?
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bluntcut said:
I won't get into Dozier nor any other famous hters trap. My point was if WT nailed D2 ht, their offer hrc # should be at least in the range of CPM D2 or CTS-XHP. Earlier, I noted similar statement about the performance diff between my D2 and M4 wasn't large. Pushing OP choose wisely to get more value for same money.
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Its not a trap bluntcut. There are many famous maker who HT their blade in D2 or other steel to 59-60RC.

I have seen you selling knives lebeled with uncommonly high HRC like 67-68RC lately. So saying something 59-60 is soft/weak are pretty much look like stomping on the head of other for your own business from my point of view.

Again I failed to see how 59-60RC D2 steel could be considered soft in any circumstance.
 
bluntcut said:
Choosing among orange, tangerine and apple - I pick CPM 3V at 60rc (tangerine :D). Simply because PM tech and lower carbide volume, therefore assume avg ht - I expect certain given advance attributes over high alloy ingot steel.
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So u think that Bravo 2 is a better choice than M7 (M7 cause they have same price)?
P.S Bravo 2 also it exists in A2 steel, which is better?
 
shqxk said:
Its not a trap bluntcut. There are many famous maker who HT their blade in D2 or other steel to 59-60RC.

I have seen you selling knives lebeled with uncommonly high HRC like 67-68RC lately. So saying something 59-60 is soft/weak are pretty much look like stomping on the head of other for your own business from my point of view.

Again I failed to see how 59-60RC D2 steel could be considered soft in any circumstance.
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So u think that i was wrong to ask to WT if it's possible to change steel?
I should buy it made by D2?
 
Staind97 said:
What about Bravo 2 CPM 3V ?
https://www.knivesshipfree.com/bark-river-knives-bravo-2-cpm-3v/
This 254$.
CPM 3V @ 59-61RC it's better than D2 of WT?

There is a review : http://www.hic-sunt-leones.info/prove-e-recensioni/wander-tactical-dimorphodon/
In some pic, we can see the difference whit knife like Busse hell razor SE 2008, molletta carthago, Trc apocalypse in m390, B.K. Johnson camp knife, Tops tex creek xl, E.R. Dobermann IV, Ferhman Final Judgement satin.

I will write at this guy to ask some question.
But i'm actually undecided by :
-Lionsteel M7 : Sleipner 60/61HRC - 240 €
-Trc Apocalypse l: M390 59-60 HRC (heat/cryo-treated) - 340 € [100 euros more than M7..]
-Wander tactical Dimorphodon : D2 at 59/60HRC (cryo-treated) - 320 €
-Bark river Bravo 2 : CPM 3V 59-61 HRC - 250€

And i think that's all.. Or maybe i'm forgetting something. HellRazor Busse would be perfect, but, where i can found one?
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- Bark River Bravo 2....250€ :p in your door? customs tax?shipping EU :confused:



Before https://eur.heinnie.com/bark-river-bravo-ii-3v
 
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As a buyer why not get CTS-XHP 61/62rc and stainless (or almost so) at the same time, it's about choosing better. hrc is just a number alone but combine with high edge stability, it became more meaningful as edge strength. Then while edge stability (for intended tasks) is satisfied, the stronger the edge the thinner working apex(edge keenness) could be. In the market, clearly hrc# is getting higher - probably due to combination of better steels (purity & composition + tech) and better ht.



shqxk said:
Its not a trap bluntcut. There are many famous maker who HT their blade in D2 or other steel to 59-60RC.

I have seen you selling knives lebeled with uncommonly high HRC like 67-68RC lately. So saying something 59-60 is soft/weak are pretty much look like stomping on the head of other for your own business from my point of view.

Again I failed to see how 59-60RC D2 steel could be considered soft in any circumstance.
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I would stay with 01,A2, 1095 or 5160 for a larger knife. ESEE6 is a good knife, or the Junglas. The knives I have seen that get a lot of press or coverage seem to be at 58-60 RC hardness.
 
bluntcut said:
As a buyer why not get CTS-XHP 61/62rc and stainless (or almost so) at the same time, it's about choosing better. hrc is just a number alone but combine with high edge stability, it became more meaningful as edge strength. Then while edge stability (for intended tasks) is satisfied, the stronger the edge the thinner working apex(edge keenness) could be. In the market, clearly hrc# is getting higher - probably due to combination of better steels (purity & composition + tech) and better ht.
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Niolox SB1 at 61rc ? in Europe way :thumbup: and important questions ,availability and price :)
 
Large knives at 58-60rc in low Cr% steels are excellent in the field. Of course, just need a little care - corrosion isn't a problem at all (even for none coated blade). I wouldn't hesitate get stuck in the wilderness with my 58.5rc 52100, 59.5rc 80CrV2 choppers. But with somebody else D2 60rc (or my Fallkniven Odin in vg10 laminated 60rc), I might need to be gentle with it.

cbach8tw said:
I would stay with 01,A2, 1095 or 5160 for a larger knife. ESEE6 is a good knife, or the Junglas. The knives I have seen that get a lot of press or coverage seem to be at 58-60 RC hardness.
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:thumbup: Where can I get a couple bars of Niolox? Currently ht tuning 12+%Cr steels, Niolox is sort of stainless 3V + maybe 0.5% more carbide volume.
chumaman said:
Niolox SB1 at 61rc ? in Europe way :thumbup: and important questions ,availability and price :)
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chumaman said:
- Bark River Bravo 2....250€ :p in your door? customs tax?shipping EU :confused:



Before https://eur.heinnie.com/bark-river-bravo-ii-3v
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What the hell..407 euro.
Crazy.
For 340 https://eur.heinnie.com/bark-river-strike-force-canvas-micarta
What do u think about A2 steel?
Is better than 3v?

But for 340 i think it's a better alternative the TRC, the blade of bark riveri it's fake 6.3mm, all lenght much thin.
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TRC much double.
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And also with TRC i have some uncertainties. 340 € and it's a bit large than a Fallkniven A1 made of VG10 laminated.
And the A1 cost only 280. 60€ less than TRC.
But i like more the geometry of the first.
 
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bluntcut said:
Large knives at 58-60rc in low Cr% steels are excellent in the field. Of course, just need a little care - corrosion isn't a problem at all (even for none coated blade). I wouldn't hesitate get stuck in the wilderness with my 58.5rc 52100, 59.5rc 80CrV2 choppers. But with somebody else D2 60rc (or my Fallkniven Odin in vg10 laminated 60rc), I might need to be gentle with it.
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Why?
U have to be gentle with a Odin in vg10 and rude with an ESEE Junglas in 1095?
So a better chopper than the WT D2 is a knife made of 80CrV2?
 
My Odin wise - I haven't completely remove 5-6mm chip from hitting a rock 10 years ago. And my 59.5rc 80crv2 chopper is thinner and tougher and more fun to chop about in the wood and knowing it won't suffer major damage from accidental contact with hard objects. Yes, it will ripple & roll. I don't mind 1-1.5mm chip (like shown with my 64rc D2 chopper) but I sure need to be gentle with Odin :rolleyes:

IMO (easier to find a lot of reviews) - at 60rc: 1095 tougher than vg10 & D2 (normal ht) because 1095 is low alloy (almost zero Cr%). I have several 67rc (and a few in between 62-67rc)) 1095 test blades & knives, so I know with avg ht - 60rc 1095 supports harder uses.

Back to the bottom line - Most likely WT 60rc D2 will serves you just fine, chances of failure is extremely low, since it is a very stout/robust knife. This knife designed like a heavy tactical(whatever that mean) fighter than a bush crafter - better wear glove when doing chopping session longer than 15 minutes :p

Staind97 said:
Why?
U have to be gentle with a Odin in vg10 and rude with an ESEE Junglas in 1095?
So a better chopper than the WT D2 is a knife made of 80CrV2?
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bluntcut said:
My Odin wise - I haven't completely remove 5-6mm chip from hitting a rock 10 years ago. And my 59.5rc 80crv2 chopper is thinner and tougher and more fun to chop about in the wood and knowing it won't suffer major damage from accidental contact with hard objects. Yes, it will ripple & roll. I don't mind 1-1.5mm chip (like shown with my 64rc D2 chopper) but I sure need to be gentle with Odin :rolleyes:

IMO (easier to find a lot of reviews) - at 60rc: 1095 tougher than vg10 & D2 (normal ht) because 1095 is low alloy (almost zero Cr%). I have several 67rc (and a few in between 62-67rc)) 1095 test blades & knives, so I know with avg ht - 60rc 1095 supports harder uses.

Back to the bottom line - Most likely WT 60rc D2 will serves you just fine, chances of failure is extremely low, since it is a very stout/robust knife. This knife designed like a heavy tactical(whatever that mean) fighter than a bush crafter - better wear glove when doing chopping session longer than 15 minutes :p
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Thanks, so I'd better buy the WT instead of M7 or TRC ? (same price, exept for m7, that is less expensive).
 
Tonight i see this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQUxFFON5Lo and i think that maybe could be interesting make my personal knife by a private knife maker.
Someone can told me a good and famous knifemaker that can make personal knife? (Busse for example can make u a personal knife).
Or also a good knifemaker in this forum! Preferably in Europe!

(This is just an idea. Almost certainly I will take the WT. I just have to figure out if in D2, or other steel.
 
There was a used ESEE 6 up for sale in the exchange production fixed blades, good sheath, tec lok, however the fire steel is not included.
 
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