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Stoeger Condor Outback 12g

My "survival" gun... aka the only gun ive bought on my own (im only 18 so gimme a break:o). I bought it as a brush-hunting/survival gun and just cause i love double barrel shotguns. The 20" barrel seems too short to some people but i like it. The only thing i think it needs is a sling. Anyway, i think its going to perform pretty well in the woods and hopefully ill take it out soon to put it to the test.
 
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Stoeger Condor Outback 12g

My "survival" gun... aka the only gun ive bought on my own (im only 18 so gimme a break:o). I bought it as a brush-hunting/survival gun and just cause i love double barrel shotguns. The 20" barrel seems too short to some people but i like it. The only thing i think it needs is a sling. Anyway, i think its going to perform pretty well in the woods and hopefully ill take it out soon to put it to the test.

The Outback is a pretty cool shotgun. I have a couple of inserts for it. My only complaint is that I wish it was a double-trigger model like Stoeger's coach guns. I must say though, it's a handy firearm! Mine does pretty good with slugs and buckshot; I haven't patterned it much with birdshot, but I'll get out later this year and do some clay busting.

You picked a very good gun:thumbup:

ROCK6
 
I want one of those Badly.. i have a question though I understand that there is no barrel selector..and that the bottom barrel froes first, If you only load the top barrel I ssume it will fire first?
 
This one is in 22LR and 20 Gauge. 20 is a 3" Mod Choke.

Dick's had them on sale for $99 after rebate! Can't beat it with a stick.

I'm 5'9" and the .22 just points so well for me. I was just messing around the first time I shot it and was hitting quarter sized targets regularly. I picked up a Truglo Red Dot for it and will play with that next week.

The 20 gauge will add some capability to the set up.

Take care,

R
 
The Outback is a pretty cool shotgun. I have a couple of inserts for it. My only complaint is that I wish it was a double-trigger model like Stoeger's coach guns. I must say though, it's a handy firearm! Mine does pretty good with slugs and buckshot; I haven't patterned it much with birdshot, but I'll get out later this year and do some clay busting.

You picked a very good gun:thumbup:

ROCK6

Agreed. Id love double triggers but oh well. I need to get some more time in with slugs. How does yours pattern with slugs?

I want one of those Badly.. i have a question though I understand that there is no barrel selector..and that the bottom barrel froes first, If you only load the top barrel I ssume it will fire first?

Bottom barrel always fires first. And the upper barrels hammer is cocked by recoil so if you were to put a round only in the top barrel and pull the trigger you would just get that *click*. Although you can dry fire the lower barrel then hit the butt of the gun afterward off your thigh or the ground with minimal force and it will then cock the upper hammer. Not recommending you do this, just stating what you could do ;)

So technically if you wanted to shoot only one shot out of the top barrel (for slugs?) you could do the trick i mentioned above.
 
I think I have found my "survival gun". I recently picked up a Taurus Public Defender, which is the 2" barreled model of the Judge line up. This five shot revolver shoots .45Long Colt and .410 shotshells. Mine takes 2.5" shells, but some models take 3" shells.

I've done enough shooting with this little handgun to be confident that it can hit small targets at reasonable ranges with birdshot, buckshot, and .45LC loadings. It's not a long distance shooter, but it can be with you, unobtrusively, anywhere you care to go.

This handgun is also available in 6" and 3" barrel lengths. Those handguns have larger grips and are a bit more user friendly, but also heavier and bulkier.

I did a bit of aerial shooting with #6 shot and handthrown clays.
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Hitting was easy, clays broke with great regularity. It would be very easy to hit most any target such as a squirrel, snake or bird out to 30-40 feet.

Then a bit of shooting with .45LC.
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.45LC is a pussycat out of this all steel revolver. Recoil was very manageable. I didn't get a chance to shoot for groups, but I shot enough to satisfy myself that I can put a full cylinder at speed into a sheet of typing paper from 12 paces without working at it.

When I have more time I'll shoot some groups off a rest and see what kind of accuracy this little fellow is truly capable of. When I bore down and paid attention to the front sight, however, I was able to put three or four shots within an inch or two of a piece of tape in the center of the paper. This tells me that with more familiarity and perhaps some handloads, small game at reasonable distances could be in danger of ending up in the stewpot.

I then put some of the Winchester PDX specialty ammo downrange.
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This is the load that is made up of three copper clad disks backed up by a load of shot.
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This stuff was pretty hot. I haven't had a chance to put anything over a chronograph, but the Winchester PDX load was an attention getter. It was pretty accurate, though, able to put the three disks into a 2-4" group at 10-12 paces.
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I don't really know why the shot was added to the load, but I guess it adds a little bit of spread to ensure a hit. Personally I think I could do without it.

Reliability was perfect. I haven't yet experienced any problems with this gun, though of course round count is still low. Now some random pics showing the features of the weapon.

This revolver is a bit chunky compared to a J frame Smith or a Taurus 85. That's because the cylinder of course is longer, but the top strap is also thicker and heavier. The grip is quite small. I have small hands, and I find my trigger finger finds its way quite far through the trigger guard. It's easy to get very high on the backstrap shooting one handed, which is good when shooting one-handed.
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The grip on this handgun is one piece and held on the frame by an allen screw. It is nicely checkered, but I'm not a big fan of checkering on a revolver grip.
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The sights are pretty good. I don't expect the fiber optic rod to stay in place as the one on my other Judge fell out after a time, but it isn't really necessary anyway. The rear sight is well done and deep enough for real use.
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The front sight is very visible and the eye picks it up easily.
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The ejection rod pushes the empties about 1" out of the cylinder. Upending the gun and giving the rod a rap won't clear all the empties at the same time. The cylinder needs to be turned a bit to allow all of them to clear the grips.
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One thing I really like about the machining on this revolver is that the mouths of the chambers have been nicely smoothed and just the tiniest bit chamfered. This aids smooth loading of both metallic cartridges and shotshells.
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The thumblatch is well contoured and free of sharp edges. The hammer is bobbed, but with enough spur for single action shooting if desired.
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The PD comes with an integral lock, if you like that kind of thing. :slap: :D
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All in all I'm quite impressed. I know that many people who consider themselves "serious" handgunners in the shooting community poo poo this line of firearms, but being a serious handgunner myself, I find it hard to do so. Whether in .45LC or pushing out buckshot (.36 caliber), this little powerhouse is certainly more effective than a .38, which many consider adequate for self defense.

I am very impressed with the versatility of this handgun, and I think it will make a very good backpacking/hiking/survival companion.

Now I need to pick up the 3" model......

Andy
 
I have a S&W 4" 625 in .45 ACP - and a few loaded moonclips (105 shown) - for home Zombie protection:

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I say it's for home use for a reason. I keep 105 loaded moonclips in each of two metal .223 ammo boxes - and at least 15/ea in two foodcontainers for range bag use. That's 240 loaded moonclips - 1,440 rounds of slightly detuned 230gr FMJ (790 fps from the 4" tube) ammo. Toting the ammo boxes would get old.

I went through my revolvers recently trying to find a better SHTF variant. My .45 Colt revolvers are nice, but, away from my basement ammo factory, I'm sunk... same way with my .44's. I guess a 2 5/8" - 5" .357M is the answer. You will always be able to find .38's - and .357M's should be sufficient for anything in the SE. Going smaller, like my 5" 63, an 8-shot SS .22 LR now sporting a HiViz front sight, might do for smaller game, but it's less effective on 2-legged or 4-legged threats. I guess my best choice will be my PC627 UDR:

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The 4" 627 Pro is easier to find & less expensive - and yields a bit more sight radius for aiming. You'd be shocked how accurate - and mild shooting - those UDR's are. They all are 8-shooters - and can be reloaded with both the speedloader/loading plate shown and moonclips, not to mention manualy, albeit the moonclips are far slower than those 'clipped .45 ACP's in the 625. Still - 125gr LRNFP/LSWC/JHP mild plinkers in .38 Special - +P 158gr LHPSWC's (shown) - 158/180 gr 'real' Magnums - capable of all.

I have long guns - I just prefer handguns... with round thingies...

Stainz
 
Excellent review Andrew:thumbup::thumbup: This was never a consideration for me, but you make a very good argument based on your own personal tests and in-hand review. Thanks!

ROCK6
 
How is eating the meat that shot has gone through the guts?

Anytime you shoot a game animal with shot you run the risk of damaging or spoiling meat. The bigger the animal, the less of a problem. But after cleaning hundreds of small game animals such as rabbit, squirrel, dove, quail, duck and the like, more often than not there is plenty left to eat.

Besides, if you are hungry, beggers are not as choosy. :D

Andy
 
Got ya, the pattern must be pretty wide at 10 right?

I confess I haven't used my shotgun for small game since I got a 22. turkey and deer if necessary, but haven't shot (shot) into anything small in a long time.
 
Got ya, the pattern must be pretty wide at 10 right?

I confess I haven't used my shotgun for small game since I got a 22. turkey and deer if necessary, but haven't shot (shot) into anything small in a long time.

It's wide, but it seems tight enough to be effective. We have lots of venomous snakes on our property. Clays laid on the ground at various distances realistic to the gun and load (out to 10 or 12 feet) were uniformly broken, and thrown clays were easy to hit and break. :thumbup:

Andy
 
I am really interested in the JUDGE revolvers and that carbine. I currently have a derringer that is an over/under that takes the 45 LC and the 410 shells as well. It is very small and I carry it as my backup when out hunting with rifle or shotgun. I usually put a 410 buckshot load in the top barrel and a 225 grn .45 pistol bullet in the bottom barrel. Potent 1-2 punch for a 2 or 4 legged predator. My usual long guns for the woods are either my 30-30 lever carbine or my Mossberg 500.
 
How is eating the meat that shot has gone through the guts?

I hunt almost exclusively with a shotgun and eat a lot of game. As long as the game is properly handled and cleaned there is no problem what so ever. A common misconception is that if the guts are ruptured the meat is automactially tainted, that is not true at all, it is true, however, that the meat will spoil a lot faster if the gut is ruptured and the animal not gutted and washed out promptly. Chris
 
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my favorite survival gun curently is my ruger single six with a 9.5 inch barrel its compact compared to a rifle and accurate enough to kill a rabbit out to 25 yards
 
my survival gun would be a choice between my .22, and my mossberg 835. I would probably lean toward the latter (depending on what needed to be shot). I also have some pellet rifles that will kill small game rather nicely.
 
Ruger 22/45 with YHM Mite Probably the handiest survival gun out there. Iff the bench its more accurate than an out of the box 10/22 ands it's a lot easier to carry and deploy quickly. More animals have died by this gun than ever other one I own combined
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Suppressed SBR
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Yeah chicks dig it
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Actually my main SHTF AR is in the middle of an remodle, so this one will have to do
 
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