Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

braillediver said:
Forums are for fanboys and shills who come out of the woodwork to make excuses and defend the indefensible.

10 posts here in the last 2 weeks saying "They're not so bad". They've only been messed up for 8 years- Just give them a chance...................
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wrong,forums are for angry boomers insulting other forum members who ask reasonable questions and throwing around accusations without backing them up...

how did i defend them?
 
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GAGL said:
can you point out where they admit of being a ponzi or is this your interpretation?
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Can you point out anyone who ever has and their business model is the very definition, no interpretation needed.

"A Ponzi scheme is a form of fraud that lures investors and pays profits to earlier investors with funds from more recent investors."
 
Boru13 said:
Can you point out anyone who ever has and their business model is the very definition, no interpretation needed.

"A Ponzi scheme is a form of fraud that lures investors and pays profits to earlier investors with funds from more recent investors."
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no,i can't point out anyone who ever has commited such fraud.

big difference is, i never got any funds. i got a product in the end.

by your logic every product produced is part of a ponzi because they were produced with funds from previous sales
 
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Mods,can we please change the Bladeforums subtitle from "the leading edge of knife discussion" to "never pay upfront" so us fiscally irresponsible people don't get upset when we get scammed?
 
GAGL said:
Mods,can we please change the Bladeforums subtitle from "the leading edge of knife discussion" to "never pay upfront" so us fiscally irresponsible people don't get upset when we get scammed?
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Are you one of the folks Guy wants us to start being nice too? It'd be just good to get it on the record.

Your request has been overruled but we just want to thank you anyway for keeping the truth about these scammers up the google search results.
 
helobite said:
Gotta be frustrating having to wait years. I had to wait years for my first Morseth. I was dying, but I knew AG would come through.

The primary lesson to be learned is: don't go into manufacturing!

This is the title of a 26 Jan 2019 Wall Street Journal Article: Tesla Should Pull an Apple: Leave ‘Production Hell’ to Other People

These are smart words. Creating a production line from scratch has to be one of the greatest intellectual achievements in human history. Just ask any Production Engineer. Don't ask an accountant, they will tell you double entry book keeping was the greatest intellectual achievement in human history.

You guys who put a deposit down, well if Survive! goes bust, you are really hosed, you are not getting a knife. As they said in the video, they put the money into manufacturing facilities. And, they encountered all sorts of problems that they never envisioned would happen, which put production further, and further behind. Well, welcome to Production Hell where nothing works as intended, and all suppliers lie!

I don't know if that was the agreement, you give them money, and they give you a knife, eventually. But if it was, that was the agreement. Six years is a very long eventually, but, they said they will honor the original agreements. Pray they stay in business long enough to send you a knife. Whether you believe them or not, waiting eventually is the only way you are getting your knife.

I hope that Survive! is successful, I hope they deliver all your knives, and I hope your knives are all what you expected. Give it enough time, and the frustrations will fade away once you have your new toy in your hands. And you can tell all your friends how you were bursting from frustration waiting for the thing to arrive.

Wishing you luck. And if you get your knives, I would like to know how you like them.
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You don't know what you're talking about, to be blunt.

When they took full price for knives and failed to give a time line or deliver them within 30 days they were required by law to contact every customer and offer a refund. The customers that DIDN'T respond they were legally required to issue refunds to automatically. The second they didn't do that they were operating illegally.

They have, as evidenced by customer testimonials here including by some that are attempting to defend them, continued to operate in violation of the 30 day rule ever since then.
 
Danke42 said:
Are you one of the folks Guy wants us to start being nice too? It'd be just good to get it on the record.

Your request has been overruled but we just want to thank you anyway for keeping the truth about these scammers up the google search results.
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no,i am not one of "the folks"

i wanted to know if anybody here knew of cases where people didn't receive their knife because i got worried if i might got scammed by SK.

nobody could point me to such cases and then some started calling me a shill for asking questions.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
You don't know what you're talking about, to be blunt.

When they took full price for knives and failed to give a time line or deliver them within 30 days they were required by law to contact every customer and offer a refund. The customers that DIDN'T respond they were legally required to issue refunds to automatically. The second they didn't do that they were operating illegally.

They have, as evidenced by customer testimonials here including by some that are attempting to defend them, continued to operate in violation of the 30 day rule ever since then.
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please excuse my ignorance,since i'm not familiar with US laws.

that 30 day rule...do people need to report them to some governmental organization etc?

i'm asking because they were reprted to the BBB.
wouldn't the BBB report them or take legal steps?

or is the BBB a NGO with no legal power?
 
GAGL said:
please excuse my ignorance,since i'm not familiar with US laws.

that 30 day rule...do people need to report them to some governmental organization etc?

i'm asking because they were reprted to the BBB.
wouldn't the BBB report them or take legal steps?

or is the BBB a NGO with no legal power?
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BBB has no legal power. The FTC is the body that would need to get involved. As to why they haven't, I have no solid idea. I'm guessing it's a combination of customers being unfamiliar with the rule and not knowing who to report to and the fact that Survive is a very, very small fish for the FTC.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
BBB has no legal power. The FTC is the body that would need to get involved. As to why they haven't, I have no solid idea. I'm guessing it's a combination of customers being unfamiliar with the rule and not knowing who to report to and the fact that Survive is a very, very small fish for the FTC.
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thank you!

i'm sure SK is a small fish compared to some big
fraudsters out there but they're not tiny either.
i mean if they can afford to invest +100k's in machinery etc.

if the FTC would get involved,would that result in just a fine for SK or would they only be forced to change their estimated delivery time?

did they change their guesstimates at all?
 
GAGL said:
thank you!

i'm sure SK is a small fish compared to some big
fraudsters out there but they're not tiny either.
i mean if they can afford to invest +100k's in machinery etc.

if the FTC would get involved,would that result in just a fine for SK or would they only be forced to change their estimated delivery time?

did they change their guesstimates at all?
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That's way outside of my knowledge base, unfortunately. I know fines are the primary penalties, but I don't know if companies are given a chance to change their practices before fines a levied or what kind of auditing process they use.
 
GAGL said:
no,i am not one of "the folks"

i wanted to know if anybody here knew of cases where people didn't receive their knife because i got worried if i might got scammed by SK.

nobody could point me to such cases and then some started calling me a shill for asking questions.
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There's a 50 page thread here and you're wondering if there are cases where people didn't get their knives they paid for years ago?

Really?
 
Danke42 said:
There's a 50 page thread here and you're wondering if there are cases where people didn't get their knives they paid for years ago?

Really?
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i go by evidence and not accusations etc.

i got my knife in the end.years later,yes but they came through and delivered. and i'm at the other end of the world in one of the smallest countries without any social media etc.

here's a link to the FTC on how to report a scam.

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/media/video-0054-how-file-complaint

you should file a complaint to the FTC so they can stop SK. the more the better.

as the saying goes, actions speak louder than words...

let's goooo bois

Quiet Quiet
braillediver braillediver
 
GAGL said:
how do i figure?

just my personal opinion,which is subjective since i don't know their profit margin,production numbers etc.

the knife feels really solid and is a great cutter. i used it hard and so far no damages.

how do you know it's not worth the money they ask for? have you ever used one?

also,outsourcing production steps usually ramps up the cost of a product.
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people gotta GET the knifes to USE the knifes
 
unwisefool said:
Wait so why are they saying Millit screwed them? Also, I've learned that if you keep saying that everyone around you is an asshole and it's never your fault, you ARE the asshole and you are at the very least partially at fault.
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YUP! Just like if you cant tell who the sucker at the poker table is it's most likely you.
 
GAGL said:
i go by evidence and not accusations etc.

i got my knife in the end.years later,yes but they came through and delivered. and i'm at the other end of the world in one of the smallest countries without any social media etc.

here's a link to the FTC on how to report a scam.

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/media/video-0054-how-file-complaint

you should file a complaint to the FTC so they can stop SK. the more the better.

as the saying goes, actions speak louder than words...

let's goooo bois

Quiet Quiet
braillediver braillediver
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Hang on sport. So you need "evidence" that people didn't get knives. What sort of evidence do you need? Are you going to travel to people's houses and they can show you they don't have the knives? That would would work right?

But wait, wait! What if they hid all the knives before you go there and lied to you?

This is a real conspiracy and obviously the good people at Survive delivered all those knives in person like Ed McMahon dropping off a Publisher's Clearinghouse novelty cheque.

You have clearly have the upper hand here.
 
GAGL said:
i go by evidence and not accusations etc.

i got my knife in the end.years later,yes but they came through and delivered. and i'm at the other end of the world in one of the smallest countries without any social media etc.

here's a link to the FTC on how to report a scam.

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/media/video-0054-how-file-complaint

you should file a complaint to the FTC so they can stop SK. the more the better.

as the saying goes, actions speak louder than words...

let's goooo bois

Quiet Quiet
braillediver braillediver
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If you're going back to your question about 'did anyone not receive their knife' then you don't actually care about evidence because you can't prove a negative. If I start a company and sell you a television, by your logic as long as my company existed I could simply claim that it was being delayed and that you couldn't say you hadn't received it, just that you were still waiting. But here we have a mass of customers, even the Survive adherents and defenders, saying that they waited far, FAR beyond claimed delivery estimates and, for those that get tired of it, Survive came up with 'restocking fee' to punish those that request refunds rather than meet their legal obligations and offer refunds to everyone that waits for longer than the estimated delivery date.

Edited to add: If you're serious about reporting them to the FTC, you should be the first to do it. Go to 'Online Shopping' as your category and then you'll see an option 'I was not given opportunity to consent to delay or get a refund' and report them based on that.
 
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