Survive! Knives Heads Up

Silver Needle said:
Oh man, if you're serious you are WAY to kind! I'd be worried that a GSO turns me into choil lover and I wouldn't want to send it back[emoji14]
Seriously though, I think I'm ok disliking choils until my 10 rolls in. But I will say THANK YOU for that incredible offer. That's how us Wisconsinites stick together :thumbup:
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Silver, the choil took some getting use to for me, but it's growing on me. I did not preorder one, but I now own... More than one. ;-)

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Silver Needle said:
I'm not alone :D

Yeah, the only choil I have coming at me is on the 10. I really think this is a knife that could change my mind about choils......... for just this model. I can't imagine it will make me seek out choils for anything shorter than a 10 inch blade.

The comments on choil vs no choil is all very interesting. I do enjoy hearing all points from different peoples' experiences.
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I am glad that Survive did put a choil on their GSO 10 because if it is your ONLY knife in any given situation, that choil will give you the option to choke up very close for doing the finer cutting tasks. If ESEE had put a darn finger choil on their Junglas, I'd be all over that knife like a fly on; well you know what :D

For me the biggest concern about the GSO 10 is actually its biggest selling point, i.e, its use of a very tough super steel. Short of the Barkies, I can't think off the top of my head of another USA made large blade made from CPM3V. The rigidity of that steel with a 10" length and a 1/4" thickness will give me (medium to large size hands) some uncomfortable hot spots if we are talking about pure chopping tasks. So when it came down to an immediate availability of a Junglas with no choil around $160 vs a secondary market GSO 10 with choil at well over the listed $300 price, I'd have to go with the ESEE even though I never liked the smaller ESEEs because of their cheap injection plastic molded sheath (at least the Junglas has a pretty good sheath straight from the factory)

I honestly would like to see some larger blades from Survive! down the production road with a bit more blade flexibility but that could be in contradiction to the concept and the philosophy of this company!
 
forte_defense said:
Silver, the choil took some getting use to for me, but it's growing on me. I did not preorder one, but I now own... More than one. ;-)

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Casinostocks said:
I am glad that Survive did put a choil on their GSO 10 because if it is your ONLY knife in any given situation, that choil will give you the option to choke up very close for doing the finer cutting tasks. If ESEE had put a darn finger choil on their Junglas, I'd be all over that knife like a fly on; well you know what :D

For me the biggest concern about the GSO 10 is actually its biggest selling point, i.e, its use of a very tough super steel. Short of the Barkies, I can't think off the top of my head of another USA made large blade made from CPM3V. The rigidity of that steel with a 10" length and a 1/4" thickness will give me (medium to large size hands) some uncomfortable hot spots if we are talking about pure chopping tasks. So when it came down to an immediate availability of a Junglas with no choil around $160 vs a secondary market GSO 10 with choil at well over the listed $300 price, I'd have to go with the ESEE even though I never liked the smaller ESEEs because of their cheap injection plastic molded sheath (at least the Junglas has a pretty good sheath straight from the factory)

I honestly would like to see some larger blades from Survive! down the production road with a bit more blade flexibility but that could be in contradiction to the concept and the philosophy of this company!
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One thing I truly can value in a choil is how it changes the balance from blade heavy to completely or at least more neutral. In my normal uses I won't ever need my grip to be a hair's width from the material I'm cutting, so if the handle is designed well like GSO's are I don't need to choke up to a choil just for proximity.

Casino, interesting point about the lack of choil on a junglas. That fact wouldn't amuse and confuse me so much if the 3 and 4 inch bladed models didn't come standard with a choil................

What do you mean about flexible steel and hot spots? Can you really feel a difference with 1095?
 
Silver Needle said:
One thing I truly can value in a choil is how it changes the balance from blade heavy to completely or at least more neutral. In my normal uses I won't ever need my grip to be a hair's width from the material I'm cutting, so if the handle is designed well like GSO's are I don't need to choke up to a choil just for proximity.

Casino, interesting point about the lack of choil on a junglas. That fact wouldn't amuse and confuse me so much if the 3 and 4 inch bladed models didn't come standard with a choil................

What do you mean about flexible steel and hot spots? Can you really feel a difference with 1095?
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Actually some machetes aren't even 1095! They can be lower like 1085 or even 1075! At first when you wave them (we are talking long blades like over 16") you clearly feel the steel vibration and you go WTF?! But when you are swinging and cutting (not tree trunks but actually brush) you then get it as to why.

In no way shape or form I want to come across as denigrating the mighty GSO 10. I've seen videos of it really biting hard into thick wood, so hard that sometimes you'll need to yank it hard out of that wood (just careful not to knock yourself over :D) but I honestly don't think that the previous GSO 10 was designed as a pure chopper. I think that it was designed as a very large multi purpose field knife which could also fill in as a chopper when called upon. The whole ergonomics plus the choil lead me to believe that I am correct on this assumption.

Lets face it, if the SHTF for real and one was left with absolutely nothing in terms of tools, we'd just have to compromise and make do with rocks and stones like our paleolithic ancestors did. But for now, we're just shooting the breeze over the Interwebs :D
 
Casinostocks said:
Actually some machetes aren't even 1095! They can be lower like 1085 or even 1075! At first when you wave them (we are talking long blades like over 16") you clearly feel the steel vibration and you go WTF?! But when you are swinging and cutting (not tree trunks but actually brush) you then get it as to why.

In no way shape or form I want to come across as denigrating the mighty GSO 10. I've seen videos of it really biting hard into thick wood, so hard that sometimes you'll need to yank it hard out of that wood (just careful not to knock yourself over :D) but I honestly don't think that the previous GSO 10 was designed as a pure chopper. I think that it was designed as a very large multi purpose field knife which could also fill in as a chopper when called upon. The whole ergonomics plus the choil lead me to believe that I am correct on this assumption.

Lets face it, if the SHTF for real and one was left with absolutely nothing in terms of tools, we'd just have to compromise and make do with rocks and stones like our paleolithic ancestors did. But for now, we're just shooting the breeze over the Interwebs :D
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I didn't think you were trying to get negative, I just didn't understand. Now that you brought up a machete I think I get it. I almost thought you meant that 3v in JUST three handle was too rigid, but 10XX steel somehow squished in your hand to be more comfortable!

As far as your assumptions on the purpose of the GSO 10, you're right on. Despite Guy being documented in a few separate occasions saying that the GSO 10 was designed as his take on a truly one tool option the vast majority of people think it was only designed as a chopper.
 
Silver Needle said:
I didn't think you were trying to get negative, I just didn't understand. Now that you brought up a machete I think I get it. I almost thought you meant that 3v in JUST three handle was too rigid, but 10XX steel somehow squished in your hand to be more comfortable!

As far as your assumptions on the purpose of the GSO 10, you're right on. Despite Guy being documented in a few separate occasions saying that the GSO 10 was designed as his take on a truly one tool option the vast majority of people think it was only designed as a chopper.
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Agreed :thumbup:
 
JustinFournier said:
Until then:

Black Scout Reviews

Fall a tree, build a shelter, make feathersticks....What else you need??

$120ish well spent!
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I actually own it's littler brother the wildlife hatchet (#415) :)

Have you checked the GB prices lately though? I think that $120 is a thing of the past on the small forest axe!

BTW, I like BSS. He's a no BS guy ;)
 
Casinostocks said:
Actually some machetes aren't even 1095! They can be lower like 1085 or even 1075! At first when you wave them (we are talking long blades like over 16") you clearly feel the steel vibration and you go WTF?! But when you are swinging and cutting (not tree trunks but actually brush) you then get it as to why.

In no way shape or form I want to come across as denigrating the mighty GSO 10. I've seen videos of it really biting hard into thick wood, so hard that sometimes you'll need to yank it hard out of that wood (just careful not to knock yourself over :D) but I honestly don't think that the previous GSO 10 was designed as a pure chopper. I think that it was designed as a very large multi purpose field knife which could also fill in as a chopper when called upon. The whole ergonomics plus the choil lead me to believe that I am correct on this assumption.

Lets face it, if the SHTF for real and one was left with absolutely nothing in terms of tools, we'd just have to compromise and make do with rocks and stones like our paleolithic ancestors did. But for now, we're just shooting the breeze over the Interwebs :D
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Did you really just drop "paleolithic" in a thread bro? That's next level. Kudos.

Gentlemen, we have, in our midst, a true master. Salute!

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Casinostocks said:
I actually own it's littler brother the wildlife hatchet (#415) ;)

Have you checked the GB prices lately though? I think that $120 is a thing of the past on the small forest axe!

BTW, I like BSS. He's a no BS guy ;)
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I like the wildlife hatchet. Great choice.

The last I saw the SFA was on the shelf here at my regular store. They have stock that is a good 2-3 years old. I imagine they are not updated with price. I should buy another next time I go buy if they still have one!

I just checked $149 CAD now. Ah well that is ($118 USD). Still, cheap IMO! It's still about 50% the cost of even my cheapest knife.
 
forte_defense said:
Did you really just drop "paleolithic" in a thread bro? That's next level. Kudos.

Gentlemen, we have, in our midst, a true master. Salute!

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I believe their more common name is the Flintstones, right? ;)
 
JustinFournier said:
I like the wildlife hatchet. Great choice.

The last I saw the SFA was on the shelf here at my regular store. They have stock that is a good 2-3 years old. I imagine they are not updated with price. I should buy another next time I go buy if they still have one!

I just checked $149 CAD now. Ah well that is ($118 USD). Still, cheap IMO! It's still about 50% the cost of even my cheapest knife.
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Yeah I noticed that it all matters on where you buy those GBs from. I was astounded when I recently saw their current pricing on Amazon, but believe or not sometimes the local retail stores have them at better prices than the online warehouse giant.
 
chiral.grolim said:
I bought a Wetterlings-made Husqvarna "multi-purpose axe" and hatchet for <$100 USD - every bit as good as GB, imho.

Here's a comparative review by wood trekker:
http://woodtrekker.blogspot.com/2010/10/husqvarna-hatchet-review.html
http://woodtrekker.blogspot.com/2010/12/husqvarna-traditional-multi-purpose-axe.html
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Very nice. I've read Wetterlings is every bit as good. The main difference I see people talk about is the sheath. I imagine, for you this is very likely a non issue.

I also had John Neeman of Autine make me a similar axe, a little larger and it's a beast but several times the cost. It would be hard to make a case that the performance justifies the cost, but the time and energy that went into it is amazing, it's beautifully crafted and really a piece of art.
 
Alright, now that Survive has officially revealed their secret steel, consider me one of those in the carbon steel crowd who will order s GSO 10 or a GSO 12, if they go into offering a steel choice in those larger GSOs at a lesser price. Just a thought :cool:
 
Casinostocks said:
Lets face it, if the SHTF for real and one was left with absolutely nothing in terms of tools, we'd just have to compromise and make do with rocks and stones like our paleolithic ancestors did. But for now, we're just shooting the breeze over the Interwebs :D
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something tells me that man has had a long history of scoffing at compromise :D
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B34NS said:
something tells me that man has had a long history of scoffing at compromise :D
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That's what I'm talking about! There's a guy on YT (Primitive Technology) with lots of mad skills, basically using what peep used thousands of years ago. Give him a Survive! Knife and he will probably build you a whole brand new Gotham!
 
rswanson said:
GSO 5.1 CPM 20cv steel Factory Second, decent price up in the fixed blade sale thread.
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Very good prices (on both of his items) without the wait for the GOS 5.1 Series. Their secondary market prices have definitely softened up a bit since some people are selling off their 20CVs. I also ordered one in 3V and one in 20CV to compare the two and probably sell off the 20CV later on or wait to trade it once the 2ndary market stabilizes after all the unwanted ones dissipate through here or on eBay!
 
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