Survive! knives

[xxspeakxx]

A strong survival knife is definitely on my list to buy. I'm rather knew to knives so my current collection is really quite small and mostly consist of cheap chinese knives that have ended up in my junk drawer.

Don't know brands yet, but I have an idea of specs that I'm looking into.

Fix blade, either SV30 - 1095 carbon - AUS 8a, 6 - 7" blade, Wide Bowie style blade, saw back, flat hard steel pommel.

Any suggestions?

 

[willythekid]

A strong survival knife is definitely on my list to buy. I'm rather knew to knives so my current collection is really quite small and mostly consist of cheap chinese knives that have ended up in my junk drawer.

Don't know brands yet, but I have an idea of specs that I'm looking into.

Fix blade, either SV30 - 1095 carbon - AUS 8a, 6 - 7" blade, Wide Bowie style blade, saw back, flat hard steel pommel.

Any suggestions?

This thread isn't for survival knives in general, but rather the brand of knives made by Survive! knives. There are many threads on all sorts of survival knives here on bladeforums... just use the search function. My first suggestion to you would be to forget about a sawback... if you need a saw, you should use a saw. With that being said check out Becker knives and Esee.

 

[xxspeakxx]

This thread isn't for survival knives in general, but rather the brand of knives made by Survive! knives. There are many threads on all sorts of survival knives here on bladeforums... just use the search function. My first suggestion to you would be to forget about a sawback... if you need a saw, you should use a saw. With that being said check out Becker knives and Esee.

aww my bad. I read the first page and I guess I misunderstood the topic. Either way thanks for the tip I'll look into those two.

 

[Hale Storm]

[/IMG]You can't go wrong with an Esee 6 and it always seems to be the right size. Best warranty on the planet too. If you need to go big, get the Esee Junglas. I've cleared many trails and built many fires with mine.

 

[crazyfingers]

No id say if you want to go BIG go with a Survive! Knives GSO 6, 7 or 10 is the way to go and their warranty is top notch!!!!

[/IMG]You can't go wrong with an Esee 6 and it always seems to be the right size. Best warranty on the planet too. If you need to go big, get the Esee Junglas. I've cleared many trails and built many fires with mine.

 

[Ankerson]

No id say if you want to go BIG go with a Survive! Knives GSO 6, 7 or 10 is the way to go and their warranty is top notch!!!!

Yeah, you can go with a coated sharpened lawnmower blade like above or go with one of the GSO series knives.

 

[crazyfingers]

Sharpened lawnmower blade now thats funny as Sh*t!!! :thumbup:

Yeah, you can go with a coated sharpened lawnmower blade like above or go with one of the GSO series knives.

 

[Ankerson]

Sharpened lawnmower blade now thats funny as Sh*t!!! :thumbup:

1095 is what gets used in lawnmower blades most of the time.... When I think of 1095, that's what I think of.... 1st thing that comes to mind.....

So someone could go down to the local junkyard or yard sale and pick up a few really cheap and grind them out in the shape of a knife etc.... HT with a blow torch and quench in water.....

It's really just a cheap spring steel in the end... Nothing really much to it or special in any way to keep things real.

That's not to say one can't make a serviceable knife out of it, many have and continue to do so.

Just depends on what people are looking for in the end and that will vary depending on the person, budget etc.

 

[Ankerson]

Current pricing.... For general reference....

1095 = 3/16 x 1.5 x 72 = $20

S30V = 3/16 x 1.5 x 72 = $171.64

O1 = 3/16 x 1.5 x 72 = $101.32

52100 = 3/16 x 1.5 x 72 = $58.14

So a typical knife in 1095 with an overall length of 15 inches has about $4 worth of steel in it..... Thickness of about 3/16"

While a typical knife in S30V with the same overall length has about $36 of worth of steel in it. .... Thickness of about 3/16"

And an O1 knife if the same length has about $21 worth of steel in it.. Thickness of about 3/16"

And a 52100 knife same as above has around $14.25 worth of steel in it.... Thickness of about 3/16"....

That's just the raw steel alone...... Not including actually making the knife blades, heat treating etc, handle materials, fabricating the knives..... Marketing.... etc....

And remember there are no magic heat treatments or tempering processes.......

 

[jjsmith]

Here is some Survive! OD green goodness. I just received the little necker last week. Love it!

 

[straitr]

No id say if you want to go BIG go with a Survive! Knives GSO 6, 7 or 10 is the way to go and their warranty is top notch!!!!

Ok now, let's not get too carried away CF. I love SURVIVE! too, my 4.1 is amazing, but there isn't a warranty on the planet better than ESEE's. It's not even close, and Guy will be the first to admit it.

To be clear, I'm not arguing blades, you quoted an ESEE warranty post and rebutted with the SURVIVE! Warranty being top notch. It's a great warranty, no doubt better than most, but the ESEE warranty is untouchable and everyone knows it. Jeff is insane for doing it, to be honest.

 

[Ankerson]

Ok now, let's not get too carried away CF. I love SURVIVE! too, my 4.1 is amazing, but there isn't a warranty on the planet better than ESEE's. It's not even close, and Guy will be the first to admit it.

To be clear, I'm not arguing blades, you quoted an ESEE warranty post and rebutted with the SURVIVE! Warranty being top notch. It's a great warranty, no doubt better than most, but the ESEE warranty is untouchable and everyone knows it. Jeff is insane for doing it, to be honest.

Actually Busse has the best warranty in the business...... Somebody has been drinking way too much cool-aid....

 

[straitr]

Actually Busse has the best warranty in the business...... Somebody has been drinking way too much cool-aid....

Guy makes abuse videos but warns that it's not covered under warranty. ESEE has a no questions asked replacement warranty. One is clearly better than the other, no cool-aid needed to figure that out. I'm not familiar with the Busse warranty, and their warranty was not being discussed. Don't get so defensive.

ETA...

 

[Ankerson]

Guy makes abuse videos but warns that it's not covered under warranty. ESEE has a no questions asked replacement warranty. One is clearly better than the other, no cool-aid needed to figure that out. I'm not familiar with the Busse warranty, and their warranty was not being discussed. Don't get so defensive.

ETA...

Something about the EESE Warranty being untouchable in the post in question....

No being defensive, I have just done my homework on that very subject....

 

[straitr]

Something about the EESE Warranty being untouchable in the post in question....

No being defensive, I have just done my homework on that very subject....

So, Busse warranty... "All Busse Knife Group blades are guaranteed for life against any and all unintentional MAJOR damage. Your knife will either be repaired or replaced at our discretion."

http://www.bussecustomshop.com/our-guarantee/


ESEE warranty... "If you break it, we will replace it."

http://www.eseeknives.com/warranty.htm


What homework are you referring to? Best I can see, one is still better than the other.

 

[Ankerson]

So, Busse warranty... "All Busse Knife Group blades are guaranteed for life against any and all unintentional MAJOR damage. Your knife will either be repaired or replaced at our discretion."

http://www.bussecustomshop.com/our-guarantee/


ESEE warranty... "If you break it, we will replace it."

http://www.eseeknives.com/warranty.htm


What homework are you referring to? Best I can see, one is still better than the other.

Busse puts the knives back into new condition when they get sent in..... As in recoat etc....

And with Busse it doesn't matter how it's broken...... They back their product 100%.... They want people to beat them hard........ Because INFI can take it....

Break an EESE by throwing it and see what happens or other gross abuse.....

 

[straitr]

Busse puts the knives back into new condition when they get sent in..... As in recoat etc....

And with Busse it doesn't matter how it's broken...... They back their product 100%.... They want people to beat them hard........ Because INFI can take it....

Break an EESE by throwing it and see what happens or other gross abuse.....

Ok, seeing as this thread is not about ESEE or Busse, this will be my final post regarding either.

You say Busse will back their product 100%, but the Busse warranty states a guarantee against "any and all UNINTENTIONAL major damage" and the knife will be fixed or replaced at their discretion.

You say "break an ESEE by throwing it and see what happens or other gross abuse", but the ESEE warranty states "no questions asked replacement".

So, it's your word (and winking smiley faces ) vs. the companies written warranties.

I'm sorry man, but you seem to be the only one drinking the cool-aid.

 

[Ankerson]

Ok, seeing as this thread is not about ESEE or Busse, this will be my final post regarding either.

You say Busse will back their product 100%, but the Busse warranty states a guarantee against "any and all UNINTENTIONAL major damage" and the knife will be fixed or replaced at their discretion.

You say "break an ESEE by throwing it and see what happens or other gross abuse", but the ESEE warranty states "no questions asked replacement".

So, it's your word vs. the companies written warranties.

Did you actually read the EESE warranty or just block out this whole paragraph.....

ESEE KNIVES ARE NOT THROWING KNIVES! They are hardened to a higher Rockwell than throwing knives and will most likely break if thrown, possibly harming the user. So, do yourself and your ESEE knife a favor and DO NOT throw it. Using any knife not meant to be thrown as a throwing knife is idiotic! We would rather idiots not buy our knives.


"any and all UNINTENTIONAL major damage" means anything short of breaking the knife on purpose...... And they have replaced knives that have been broken on purpose before.

Busse Warranty...

OUR GUARANTEE

Busse Knife Group is proud to have the toughest warranty in the industry.

All Busse Knife Group blades are guaranteed for life against any and all unintentional MAJOR damage. Your knife will either be repaired or replaced at our discretion.

Please note that aftermarket modifications done to your knife outside of our shop that cause your knife to fail may void your warranty.

Busse Knife Group encourages extreme usage of our blades as they are without question "The Toughest Knives in the World". We have no rivals. You can use a Busse Knife Group blade as hard as you like and our warranty has you covered.


EESE Warranty:

NO QUESTIONS ASKED WARRANTY:



If you break it, we will replace it. Warranty is lifetime and transferable. In other words, we warranty the knife no matter how many times it's been traded, sold or given away - no sales receipt or proof of purchase required.

A lot of folks have asked us how we can stay in business offering such great customer service and warranty protection. The answer is simple; we believe that American consumers, as a whole, are honest people. The occasional customers who are dishonest are few and far between, so even if we lose every once in a while due to dishonesty, our reputation of great customer service, regardless of the situation, brings us more good customers.

ESEE KNIVES ARE NOT THROWING KNIVES! They are hardened to a higher Rockwell than throwing knives and will most likely break if thrown, possibly harming the user. So, do yourself and your ESEE knife a favor and DO NOT throw it. Using any knife not meant to be thrown as a throwing knife is idiotic! We would rather idiots not buy our knives.

We do not warranty against rust or normal wear and tear. Our carbon steel knives are made from 1095 High Carbon Steel. And while 1095 is a top choice for professional field knives, it will rust and stain if not properly cared for - especially on the cutting edge and around the laser engraving. It is the user's responsibility to keep the blades properly lubricated and cleaned. We suggest a dry film inhibitor such as TUF-GLIDE or TUF-CLOTH. We use a baked on powder coat on all of our coated knives. It is normal for the coating to wear with use.

NOTE: The warranty does not apply to the Lite Machete since the blade of the machete is made by Imacasa in El Salvador. With that said, if you have any issues with the Lite machete, contact us and we will do our best to make it right.

You must complete this form and return it with your knife. You must email us a tracking number and the reason you are returning the knife for warranty repair/replacement. The knife must be returned using a Priority Mail Box. We suggest you email us before returning the knife since we do not warranty normal wear and tear.

Randall's Adventure & Training only guarantees and offers customer service on knives built by ESEE Knives (Formerly RAT Cutlery Company) and any knife manufactured by RAT Cutlery Company before the name changed to ESEE Knives. Randall's Adventure & Training does not guarantee or offer any customer service for knives that are manufactured by any other company. Randall's Adventure & Training does not guarantee or offer a warranty on any knife manufactured by Ontario Knife Company. Please view the history page for more information.

 

[Hale Storm]

Key words - "guaranteed for life"

Esee is "guaranteed forever"

 

[Hale Storm]

Make no mistake. I own both and have beat the hell out of my Esee. Still going strong. The GSO 10 will get the same treatment. I find it hard to believe in any real world situation in the wilderness that you could destroy or "break" either of these knives and I've spent a LOT of time outdoors in the woods all over the country. The bottom line is that the Esee is a great large chopper and the warranty is the best in the world. The GSO 10 is arguably the BEST large chopper out there. I say buy both. I did.

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