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Hey Guy, perhaps file away the FDE suggestion for a lanyard-less hunter version of the GSO 3.5 and 4.1 for the future. Nooks and crannies are notorious for collecting blood and tissue, which can be a public health issue in some parts of the country where Brucellosis can be found, and it could be a food safety issue if consuming game afield. I don't know what your future customer base will look like, but you might hear more of this type of suggestion. Just a thought.
 
FDE said:
Thank you for the response Guy and guys. Placed my order today! ;)
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I cannot imagine that you will be anything less than 100% satisfied with your purchase, sans the lanyard for cleaning. The perfect thing about these knives is that the handles can be removed in the field, and the knife can be thoroughly cleaned. This will require that you have a multi-tool on you, but it is possible. It is totally possible to remove them and clean them at home after your hunt.
 
McVeyMac said:
Hey Guy, perhaps file away the FDE suggestion for a lanyard-less hunter version of the GSO 3.5 and 4.1 for the future. Nooks and crannies are notorious for collecting blood and tissue, which can be a public health issue in some parts of the country where Brucellosis can be found, and it could be a food safety issue if consuming game afield. I don't know what your future customer base will look like, but you might hear more of this type of suggestion. Just a thought.
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You can always flush those out with water. and tell me why would someone use the same knife for food prep that you used to skin or gut a game without rinsing it.
 
FDE said:
I am very interested in the Survive GSO knives, my focus immediatly being on the 4.1 but I have a couple questions. I thought I had read awhile back that new hardware (bolts) were being made that would fit flush with the end of the "nut". Is this still in the works? Or maybe I made it up in my dreams... Also I do not like lanyards nor lanyard holes on most of my knives and was wondering if scales could be ordered without the pocket milled out for the hidden lanyard? The hidden lanyard hole is a nice feature making it unobtrusive whether you use a lanyard or not but the 4.1 would be a hunting knife for me and unneeded holes (for me) just collect blood and guts. :thumbdn:
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there's a lot of knives out there the meets you specifications.
 
Cleaning at home is the idea but it may prove to be a pain to remove scales every time the knife is used. My thought was scales made without the slot would be easy to make (less mill work) and still allow later use of a lanyard by simply swapping out the scales to the version made now. As you said; not thoughly cleaning after field dressing an animal is a health risk. I would like to reiterate I am not slamming the design of the lanyard hole I actually like how it looks and that it doesn't effect the grip. I just prefer not to have holes in a hunting knife that are difficult to clean. I look forward to getting my 4.1 in hand! :)
 
FDE said:
Cleaning at home is the idea but it may prove to be a pain to remove scales every time the knife is used. My thought was scales made without the slot would be easy to make (less mill work) and still allow later use of a lanyard by simply swapping out the scales to the version made now. As you said; not thoughly cleaning after field dressing an animal is a health risk. I would like to reiterate I am not slamming the design of the lanyard hole I actually like how it looks and that it doesn't effect the grip. I just prefer not to have holes in a hunting knife that are difficult to clean. I look forward to getting my 4.1 in hand! :)
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Cleaning any knife that is used for game is a common sense correct? having to remove the scales of your knife for cleaning is actually a good thing. now if you have a knife that does not have a removable scale e.g., bark river, busse and kins. blood will sip right in and the tang portion and you'll get corrosion under the handles also there's no way for you to clean those out. (tang rust only refers to uncoated busse's and kins)
 
knife chop said:
You can always flush those out with water. and tell me why would someone use the same knife for food prep that you used to skin or gut a game without rinsing it.
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This tells me you are probably not a big game hunter. A simple flush with water does not remove dried blood nor animal fat. Of course one wouldn't use the knife for food prep without washing. The point is having to remove the scales to ensure that you don't have a bacteria colony is the concern. Not that big of a deal really I was just asking Guy if it was an option to have scales made without them. Knife chop thanks for letting me know about other knife options, I didn't know...
 
knife chop said:
You can always flush those out with water. and tell me why would someone use the same knife for food prep that you used to skin or gut a game without rinsing it.
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Rinsing alone may not adequately clean the area we are talking about if tissue is stuck in there.
 
McVeyMac said:
Rinsing alone may not adequately clean the area we are talking about if tissue is stuck in there.
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Don't we hunters and backpackers carry multiple knives? you only need the blade clean and not whats underneath the handle. now if you're a very meticulous hunter and only carry one knife, then by all means you have proven your point.
 
I rip the hide off with my teeth. The knife is for picking bits of flesh out of my molars.
 
No problem field dressing game.Dressed a bunch of hogs and rattlers with mine. Just wash the knife after. I pack water.
 
McVeyMac said:
I sharpen my incisors with 1,000, 6,000 and 10,000 H2O stones. Nice polish when done right.
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I convex with a 600 grit belt. Gives 'em a toothy edge. ;)

If I can track down my camera, I need to post up my spear-point EDC-4. Love that thing.
 
knife chop said:
Don't we hunters and backpackers carry multiple knives? you only need the blade clean and not whats underneath the handle. now if you're a very meticulous hunter and only carry one knife, then by all means you have proven your point.
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Heck, I have four on me sitting in my office. I am thinking especially if one is in a situation where they only have one knife (money, survival situation, unexpected). Clearly there are zoonotic diseases (diseases infecting both animals and humans) that can be pretty nasty. Brucella suis in pigs and Brucella abortus in Elk and Deer in some states can cause Brucellosis. Anthrax is another concern, and that is just in North America. Practicing good hygiene in the field can save your butt in a survival situation. Of course using a separate knife for dressing and processing a carcass from cooked food preparation is optimal if in the field for an extended period. However, you certainly do not want to take home any disease causing bacteria where you might accidently infect children in the household either.

I work in infectious diseases, so I am overly cautious when it comes to hygiene and food safety, I guess. I thought that FDE had a valid request for the stated application, and I was pointing out to Guy that if he hears it from a lot of customers or potential customers, that he might want to cater to them in the future with some subtle design change offerings. That's all. However, I get the distinct impression that you like to argue,
 
hank_612 said:
I have a elmax 5.1 that has the exposed layard hole. Will other 5.1 grips fit it?
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Sorta. The bolt holes will line up and the profile will line up other than a very tiny bit of overhang towards the center. Also a corner overhanging on the back of the butt and a bit of exposed tang on the front side of the butt. Obviously the lanyard hole gets covered up. Technically they'll fit if you don't mind the bit of exposed steel where the butt swells out (doesn't effect my grip, but may vary) and are willing to do some minor fitting and notch out the lanyard hole. Straight from the box, only sorta.

If I can track down my camera this weekend, I'll post a pic.
 
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