Survive! Sheaths and standard attachments that fit them

chiral.grolim said:
If you need a better way to mount/carry that blade, you should try my Universal Kydex Extension: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1298783-Universal-Kydex-Sheath-Extension

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1298783-Universal-Kydex-Sheath-Extension
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1317811-Chiral-s-New-UKE!
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I'll have to check that out because I'm not terribly pleased with the way the pouch attaches to this particular sheath. The belt loop hanger is at an angle because the velcro strap was thicker than the washers and screws allowed, which I find curious since the sheath and pouch were specifically designed to work in tandem. I like everything else about the combo though; great knife (so long as you get the gen 2), excellent sheath and very usable pouch. All-in-all, one of my favorite rigs.


chiral.grolim said:
You could also mount the firesteel loop in place of the rubber washers on that extension you have already.
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I was contemplating that when I mounted everything initially, but I was concerned by how small the gap was between the handle of the ferro rod and the thumb ramp. Visually it seemed as though it might be something I would have to be cognizant of whenever I pulled the knife from the sheath.
 
What are the differences between gen 1 and 2?

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how Ambush compares to SURVIVE!

Thanks for the pouch idea.
 
Kiah said:
I've got several projects to get to first, but this thread has inspired me to make some custom attachments for these sheaths for pouches as soon as I get a chance. I intend to switch my belt attachments and such over to a leather/Kydex combo, so I may go that route here. Either way, I've got a few ideas for making the pouch quickly attach/detach to/from the sheath.
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Sweet! Can't wait to see these!!
 
theJman said:
I'll have to check that out because I'm not terribly pleased with the way the pouch attaches to this particular sheath. The belt loop hanger is at an angle because the velcro strap was thicker than the washers and screws allowed, which I find curious since the sheath and pouch were specifically designed to work in tandem. I like everything else about the combo though; great knife (so long as you get the gen 2), excellent sheath and very usable pouch. All-in-all, one of my favorite rigs.

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I was contemplating that when I mounted everything initially, but I was concerned by how small the gap was between the handle of the ferro rod and the thumb ramp. Visually it seemed as though it might be something I would have to be cognizant of whenever I pulled the knife from the sheath.
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Well, it sounds like pouch and sheath-adaptor system was somewhat cobbled together... but I'm not a big fan of velcro attachment, would be happier just using paracord ;) Here's what you should do: sell that rig, knife and all, and get yourself the real thing from Survive! :D Then you could throw on the UKE with its mad versatility and even a firesteel holder like the one pictured below and then a pouch of your preference like those featured in this thread.

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So ... a bit different than what I originally planned (which I'll get to eventually), but I did have an idea last night while doodling for a simple setup. Gotta finish up the 5.1 clips, but gonna try to make a few prototypes next week. If all goes as planned (does it ever?) I can send them out in a passaround style if anyone wants to be a guinea pig.
 
Kiah said:
So ... a bit different than what I originally planned (which I'll get to eventually), but I did have an idea last night while doodling for a simple setup. Gotta finish up the 5.1 clips, but gonna try to make a few prototypes next week. If all goes as planned (does it ever?) I can send them out in a passaround style if anyone wants to be a guinea pig.
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I've got a GSO-10 still! And am waiting on pre-orders... Is it S!K-specific stuff or will non-KiahDex sheaths work as well? Eitherway, I promise to post pics or even video if desired... :)
 
chiral.grolim said:
I've got a GSO-10 still! And am waiting on pre-orders... Is it S!K-specific stuff or will non-KiahDex sheaths work as well? Eitherway, I promise to post pics or even video if desired... :)
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Will definitely send one your way if the idea pans out. Not sure if it'll be sheath specific or semi-universal. Gotta fiddle a bit.
 
Kiah said:
I actually made the attachment holes on the new 5.1 clips into slots, so more options when using them sideways. ;)
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Excellent, I already did this to my GSO-10 clip with a dremel :thumbup: Although I do prefer to use your clips for mounting pouches, etc. but am excited to see if you come up with a new mechanism for that as well.
 
Silver Needle said:
What are the differences between gen 1 and 2?

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how Ambush compares to SURVIVE!

Thanks for the pouch idea.
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The gen 1's had awful handle scales; rough finish, skinny and not at all what I've come to expect from Bark River (I also own a Bravo 1.25 and 1.5). The kydex sheath retention was way too tight as well, so it almost felt like you were fighting to get it out. I sent mine back. The gen 2 is much better though. The handle could be a bit thicker, but my hands run larger than most so don't go by me. Sheath retention is perfect now. The only thing lacking on the Alpha is a sharp 90 degree spine, but that's just a personal preference. Otherwise it's an excellent knife, for me at least.

I had spec'ed out a GSO 6 during the pre-order but cancelled that one because the profile was similar to several other knives I already own. I tired to get a 5.1 instead but that pre-order had already closed, so unfortunately I don't have a Survive knife at the moment. I may try to get a 5.1 again some time in the future, because I would like to see for myself what they're like.
 
chiral.grolim said:
Well, it sounds like pouch and sheath-adaptor system was somewhat cobbled together... but I'm not a big fan of velcro attachment, would be happier just using paracord ;) Here's what you should do: sell that rig, knife and all, and get yourself the real thing from Survive! :D Then you could throw on the UKE with its mad versatility and even a firesteel holder like the one pictured below and then a pouch of your preference like those featured in this thread.
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You wouldn't happen to be biased, would ya? :p

The Alpha is way too nice to just dump, so I'm gonna keep that one regardless. If/and/or/when Survive opens up another 5.1 pre-order I may go for one of those because that profile intrigues me. The company seems to have a lot of fans so I'd love to see first hand what all the fuss is about. I have no issue spending some $$ to find out for myself.

I did a bit of research on your UKE and it seems like you've created quite a nice system! I'll probably order 1 or 2 and see how it works out on a few of my rigs. I find a thigh carry works well for me and with the adjustability of the UKE I can set that up with relative ease it seems.
 
theJman said:
If/and/or/when Survive opens up another 5.1 pre-order I may go for one of those because that profile intrigues me. The company seems to have a lot of fans so I'd love to see first hand what all the fuss is about. I have no issue spending some $$ to find out for myself.
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If it's the 5.1 you're interested in, get ready to order after the preorders are filled. I passed on the preorder because I couldn't pull off a 4.7 and a 5.1 at the time, so I'm in the same boat, waiting to pounce on a 5.1 as they come up. But the good news is that it sounds as if there are a good bunch of 5.1s being produced on this run, so a pretty good chance of scoring one straight from the company. Welcome to the forum BTW :thumbup:
 
Hard Knocks said:
If it's the 5.1 you're interested in, get ready to order after the preorders are filled. I passed on the preorder because I couldn't pull off a 4.7 and a 5.1 at the time, so I'm in the same boat, waiting to pounce on a 5.1 as they come up. But the good news is that it sounds as if there are a good bunch of 5.1s being produced on this run, so a pretty good chance of scoring one straight from the company. Welcome to the forum BTW :thumbup:
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TY sir!

I have my options all figured out, so I know exactly what I want already. Now it's just a matter of getting it. ;)
 
theJman said:
You wouldn't happen to be biased, would ya? :p

The Alpha is way too nice to just dump, so I'm gonna keep that one regardless. If/and/or/when Survive opens up another 5.1 pre-order I may go for one of those because that profile intrigues me. The company seems to have a lot of fans so I'd love to see first hand what all the fuss is about. I have no issue spending some $$ to find out for myself.

I did a bit of research on your UKE and it seems like you've created quite a nice system! I'll probably order 1 or 2 and see how it works out on a few of my rigs. I find a thigh carry works well for me and with the adjustability of the UKE I can set that up with relative ease it seems.
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;)
In truth, the designer of the Ambush openly admitted that he specifically fashioned that knife after the Survive! line of which he was a fan, so yes indeed Guy does have a lot of fans :thumbup:


Regarding the UKE, it would fit that Ambush sheath in a few different places, but you may prefer to mount it in the slots that the pouch's velcro occupies, which causes a conflict. That pouch looks like it was tailored to fit those slots and only those slots which is a pretty limited design given the variety of options out there, especially when it interferes with the belt-loop plate specifically designed for the same sheath... *shrug* just sayin'
I'm definitely biased toward the UKE since I invented it :) though the name comes courtesy of BeeKayNutCase in a give-away thread from this past summer. You get a lot of adjustability for not a lot of $$ :D
 
theJman said:
The gen 1's had awful handle scales; rough finish, skinny and not at all what I've come to expect from Bark River (I also own a Bravo 1.25 and 1.5). The kydex sheath retention was way too tight as well, so it almost felt like you were fighting to get it out. I sent mine back. The gen 2 is much better though. The handle could be a bit thicker, but my hands run larger than most so don't go by me. Sheath retention is perfect now. The only thing lacking on the Alpha is a sharp 90 degree spine, but that's just a personal preference. Otherwise it's an excellent knife, for me at least.
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The scales varied a little bit more on the gen 1s but we also have three finish options so not all were rough. That also played a role in how the kydex may fit from knife to knife.

The gen 2 handle is much better, as you now know. I do see there is more of an angle in your drop loop than there should be. Part of the reason is it looks like the top screw is a little more snug than the bottom but it also looks like the loop itself is slightly over bent. If you want to get it swapped out I'd be happy to do that for you.

chiral.grolim said:
;)
In truth, the designer of the Ambush openly admitted that he specifically fashioned that knife after the Survive! line of which he was a fan, so yes indeed Guy does have a lot of fans :thumbup:


Regarding the UKE, it would fit that Ambush sheath in a few different places, but you may prefer to mount it in the slots that the pouch's velcro occupies, which causes a conflict. That pouch looks like it was tailored to fit those slots and only those slots which is a pretty limited design given the variety of options out there, especially when it interferes with the belt-loop plate specifically designed for the same sheath... *shrug* just sayin'
I'm definitely biased toward the UKE since I invented it :) though the name comes courtesy of BeeKayNutCase in a give-away thread from this past summer. You get a lot of adjustability for not a lot of $$ :D
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I can't speak for Jason but what I think you're saying is a half truth. The Alpha and Brute share some characteristics of a survive knife, mainly the spearpoint blade, but being in the knife business for as long as he has that is his preferred blade shape and 3v his preferred steel. The BRKT Bravo series was made long before any Survive knife and it's spearpoint variant is closer to the Alpha than a Survive. It is true that he likes the blades Guy sells, he does think they are great knives. The one that I saw was super sharp and I like the hidden lanyard loop, that is a very nice feature.

There is enough room in the knife business for all of us, Guy has some new blades on the drawing board as do we. If you like the Survive then buy one, if someone has an Ambush knife and they like it why knock it. Try one out and draw your own conclusion.
 
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Eric@DLT said:
I can't speak for Jason but what I think you're saying is a half truth. The Alpha and Brute share some characteristics of a survive knife...

...There is enough room in the knife business for all of us, Guy has some new blades on the drawing board as do we. If you like the Survive then buy one, if someone has an Ambush knife and they like it why knock it. Try one out and draw your own conclusion.
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Mind if I quote you?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...d-other-than-SURVIVE!?p=15043754#post15043754
To say the Alpha and Brute didn't borrow some of the great aspects of Survive knives would also be untrue.
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The Ambush line's debut, its timing, and the instant recognition of the similarities in design and materials by all those who came across it after already seeing S!K ( i could post links to reviews, etc.)... *shrug* Don't sweat it, that ship sailed months ago.

Anyway I wasn't knocking the knives, I'm sure the revised Ambush line are good :thumbup: They should be. I just wondered at the sheath+pouch design. The pouch unnecessarily restricts the versatility of the sheath which looks to be great. Take that as constructive criticism for your team, just like all the criticism of your original design, just like my criticisms of the handles and edge-thickness of some of Guy's knives. Like I said, my real bias is toward my own invention :D
 
Eric@DLT said:
The gen 2 handle is much better, as you now know. I do see there is more of an angle in your drop loop than there should be. Part of the reason is it looks like the top screw is a little more snug than the bottom but it also looks like the loop itself is slightly over bent. If you want to get it swapped out I'd be happy to do that for you.
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PM me an email address and I can send you a few more pictures so you have a better idea of what I'm seeing. The top screw may indeed be tighter, but it would only be by 1 turn at the most. The angle I'm referring to is from the way it sits perpendicular to the mounting screws. That's why I want to send you some pics; it's always easier that way. I'm probably not describing it all that well.
 
I love it that there are more American made options for good quality mid tech knives than there was just a few years ago. Think what you may of BRK, I think that they really do a good job of manufacturing knives. They are the gateway drug to many who want to explore fixed blade options for EDC, and they get many thinking about what else is out there regarding fixed blade options. I have no experience with the Ambush line or accesories. But I know that Guy pays the rent for this house that we are all guests in. Constructive criticism makes products better. I, for one, would like to see the constructive criticism of the S!K line discussed here compared to any other knife out there. But I would hope that other manufacturers would use their own house to solve their own customer service issues. Let us not forget who's house we are all guests in.
 
chiral.grolim said:
Mind if I quote you?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...d-other-than-SURVIVE!?p=15043754#post15043754


The Ambush line's debut, its timing, and the instant recognition of the similarities in design and materials by all those who came across it after already seeing S!K ( i could post links to reviews, etc.)... *shrug* Don't sweat it, that ship sailed months ago.

Anyway I wasn't knocking the knives, I'm sure the revised Ambush line are good :thumbup: They should be. I just wondered at the sheath+pouch design. The pouch unnecessarily restricts the versatility of the sheath which looks to be great. Take that as constructive criticism for your team, just like all the criticism of your original design, just like my criticisms of the handles and edge-thickness of some of Guy's knives. Like I said, my real bias is toward my own invention :D
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I didn't design the Ambush knives and if that is the quote you want to go on, saying "admitted that he specifically fashioned that knife after the Survive! line of which he was a fan" based on that quote you just gave is a stretch. The biggest similarity, or borrowed aspect, would be the use of the spearpoint blade with a stonewashed finish. That type of finish was never done by Bark River, although the majority were done with a satin finish. Although if I looked hard enough I'm sure I could find someone who did it before Guy.

I'm also for constructive criticism but I'm not sure if the pouch restricts the sheath in any way. Here is an extra picture of the backside. Your extension would probably bolt onto the rivets, we use standard spacing for teck loks and such.

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theJman said:
PM me an email address and I can send you a few more pictures so you have a better idea of what I'm seeing. The top screw may indeed be tighter, but it would only be by 1 turn at the most. The angle I'm referring to is from the way it sits perpendicular to the mounting screws. That's why I want to send you some pics; it's always easier that way. I'm probably not describing it all that well.
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My email is at the bottom of my signature line.

McVeyMac said:
I love it that there are more American made options for good quality mid tech knives than there was just a few years ago. Think what you may of BRK, I think that they really do a good job of manufacturing knives. They are the gateway drug to many who want to explore fixed blade options for EDC, and they get many thinking about what else is out there regarding fixed blade options. I have no experience with the Ambush line or accesories. But I know that Guy pays the rent for this house that we are all guests in. Constructive criticism makes products better. I, for one, would like to see the constructive criticism of the S!K line discussed here compared to any other knife out there. But I would hope that other manufacturers would use their own house to solve their own customer service issues. Let us not forget who's house we are all guests in.
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While that is true this is Guy's little spot on BF, it is searchable for everyone. I wanted to help clear a few things up for someone who may read this in the future, not take over the forum.
 
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