"Tactical" Is Not a Purpose of Use and Represents an Undesirable Design Feature

stabman said:
Individuality of taste will not be allowed!!!
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Ah, but the real question is are they really an individual and have individual taste or are they just a sheep and just like millions of others?
 
Just learn from other people's experience and question their opinion with logic. Other people's opinion and taste is not much to live a life by.

When my neighbors were talking to me about a 5 person home invasion that happened on the next block down a few months back - I wasn't surprised and told them about a 4 person home invasion that happened even more recently. Every body has a different environment and different levels of information about that environment.
 
Oakengroves said:
The emocon trolling of this post and its slippery slope logic is almost as useful as tactical applications of knifes. By all means. Please offer objective, quantifiable evidence to back up your "turn off part of brain therefore justify tactical knife use and commonality" argument. Go ahead.

Thanks.
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Why should anyone need to present you with any evidence to justify the use of a tactical folder? Seriously, do you just bitch to bitch? Buy the knives you want to buy. If you don't like tactical blades, then don't purchase them. The strong draw toward tactical doesn't limit the amount of models available to those who aren't drawn to the tactical design. Keep frightening sparrows though, I am sure your effort will produce dramatic change in how companies design knives.
 
Murdamook said:
Why should anyone need to present you with any evidence to justify the use of a tactical folder? Seriously, do you just bitch to bitch? Buy the knives you want to buy. If you don't like tactical blades, then don't purchase them. The strong draw toward tactical doesn't limit the amount of models available to those who aren't drawn to the tactical design. Keep frightening sparrows though, I am sure your effort will produce dramatic change in how companies design knives.
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Nobody is saying that anyone has to justify anything. ;)

The discussion has gotten much deeper than that and into the overall marketing concept and the psychological impact of said marketing.
 
I'm pretty sure people like Al Mar, and Robert Terzuola coined the design/term. It seems perfectly acceptable to me, coming from this aspect.

--Once you've understood the roots of this design, you might go ahead and change your post.
 
Ankerson said:
That's called stereotyping.....

And for the most part it does work MOST of the time despite of what some would have people believe...

I just tell people if they don't want to be seen as a certain type then don't fit into the sterotype then they won't be.
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Yeah, like the sterotypical arrogant internet-forum know-it-all who presumes to pass judgement on others based on the knives they like. Of course, if a person doesn't want to be perceived as an arrogant internet-forum know-it-all, then they shouldn't act like one.

Personally, I think people should be free to buy whatever knives they want without being judged or criticized for it. I especially think people should be able to express interest in any knife they like on an internet KNIFE FORUM without being judged or criticized for it. But I know that those are just crazy ideas.
 
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Blade forums constantly holds the majority opinion that knives are not weapons. Fine, think what you want. Tac teams and special forces, as well as the military, will continue to carry knives, as a NEEDED and necessary emergency tool AND defensive weapon.

Anyone here with a realistic view on this topic will find more closure in one of the major gun forums, where people aren't quite low enough to admit their glock or 1911 isn't just a "High power target piercing tool" ...in order to give themselves so pseudo perfect-world representation because they won't hear a word of it, that their beloved knife could also be used as a weapon..... such garbage haha.... Let people think what they want.
 
Many gun owners have 'range toys' or 'target pistols' and freely admit when they don't have the training for self defense purposes, don't carry for SD, nor keep the firearm loaded when it is in the house. Those guns aren't very good weapons at that point. They are more dangerous when they are driving on the highway, since they don't have a gun but are driving a couple tons of steel in an activity that kills over 30,000 people a year. A weapon needs intent, not just ability. Otherwise there is no difference between a sledgehammer and a war hammer, or a tomahawk and a roofing hatchet. Most knives for most people are not weapons. And there should be a distinction for these 'tactical' folding knives, but there isn't. Carbon fiber and G10 don't increase killing potential. Neither does a DLC coating.
 
killgar said:
Yeah, like the sterotypical arrogant internet-forum know-it-all who presumes to pass judgement on others based on the knives they like. Of course, if a person doesn't want to be perceived as an arrogant internet-forum know-it-all, then they shouldn't act like one.

Personally, I think people should be free to buy whatever knives they want without being judged or criticized for it. I especially think people should be able to express interest in any knife they like on an internet KNIFE FORUM without being judged or criticized for it. But I know that those are just crazy ideas.
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A bunch of us that have posted in this thread have a pretty large variety of knives that cover the whole range of knives.. ;)

Maybe the difference is we don't have fantasies about using them as weapons, nor do we talk about them as such as this is a family oriented forum...

Nor do we dress up all tactical and armed like we are going into a combat zone because we live in the real world knowing that we aren't in a combat zone...

But then some of us don't have anything to prove to anyone because we really did serve in the military so there isn't any need to pretend and dress up like a military man like it's halloween.....

Because we already did it for real.... So we don't have to pretend to be something we aren't. ;)
 
Ankerson said:
A bunch of us that have posted in this thread have a pretty large variety of knives that cover the whole range of knives.. ;)

Maybe the difference is we don't have fantasies about using them as weapons, nor do we talk about them as such as this is a family oriented forum...

Nor do we dress up all tactical and armed like we are going into a combat zone because we live in the real world knowing that we aren't in a combat zone...

But then some of us don't have anything to prove to anyone because we really did serve in the military so there isn't any need to pretend and dress up like a military man like it's halloween.....

Because we already did it for real.... So we don't have to pretend to be something we aren't. ;)
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I never wanted to be in the Military. Nor do I want to kill people. Most of the houses around mine have been broken into. I keep a loaded gun beside my bed.

I suppose I'm a wanna be soldier living my fantasies then.
 
singularity35 said:
I never wanted to be in the Military. Nor do I want to kill people. Most of the houses around mine have been broken into. I keep a loaded gun beside my bed.
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I used to do the same thing when I lived in a questionable area.
 
hardheart said:
Many gun owners have 'range toys' or 'target pistols' and freely admit when they don't have the training for self defense purposes, don't carry for SD, nor keep the firearm loaded when it is in the house. Those guns aren't very good weapons at that point. They are more dangerous when they are driving on the highway, since they don't have a gun but are driving a couple tons of steel in an activity that kills over 30,000 people a year. A weapon needs intent, not just ability. Otherwise there is no difference between a sledgehammer and a war hammer, or a tomahawk and a roofing hatchet. Most knives for most people are not weapons. And there should be a distinction for these 'tactical' folding knives, but there isn't. Carbon fiber and G10 don't increase killing potential. Neither does a DLC coating.
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Yep, very true. :thumbup:

I just never got the whole idea of the thought process behind the fantasies that some people have....

Too much TV maybe and or movies I guess....
 
Question: Why do I have a tactical spring loaded hard use tiffin finished blade of doom?

Question: Why do I have a bayonet mounted on a compact pistol?

Answer: Why the hell not?
 
thedmasterr said:
Question: Why do I have a tactical spring loaded hard use tiffin finished blade of doom?

Question: Why do I have a bayonet mounted on a compact pistol?

Answer: Why the hell not?
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Not every knife to be eminently sensible and oriented towards bushcrafting. Some people just like more aggressive designs for whatever reason, even no reason at all. Human nature.
 
Ankerson said:
A bunch of us that have posted in this thread have a pretty large variety of knives that cover the whole range of knives.. ;)
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So it's alright for you to own tactical-style knives, but it's not alright for anyone else because they are just a bunch of mall-ninja-Navy-SEAL-wanabes, is that it?

Maybe the difference is we don't have fantasies about using them as weapons, nor do we talk about them as such as this is a family oriented forum...

Nor do we dress up all tactical and armed like we are going into a combat zone because we live in the real world knowing that we aren't in a combat zone...
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And did anyone in this thread, or anywhere else on this forum that you can quote, suggest that they were fantasizing about using knives as weapons or that they "dress up all tactical"? Did anyone who has expressed an interest in tactical-style knives say anything to indicate that they weren't living in "the real world"? Who exactly are you talking about? Or is this just a prejudice you have against other people who own tactical-style knives?

And as far as this being a "family oriented forum" where knives are not talked about as weapons, there is an entire sub-forum here at Bladeforums specifically created by the owner of Bladeforums to talk about such topics, it's called Practical Tactical, and there are no restrictions on who can visit that forum.

But then some of us don't have anything to prove to anyone because we really did serve in the military so there isn't any need to pretend and dress up like a military man like it's halloween.....

Because we already did it for real.... So we don't have to pretend to be something we aren't. ;)
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It's interesting, I've had the pleasure to know many veterans in my life, including some in my own family, and something I've noticed about them is that they don't feel the need to go around telling people that they are veterans. I guess they just don't feel the need to use their military service to try and impress people, or win arguments, or posture themselves as superior to others. But I'm so glad that you brought up your military service in this thread where it had no bearing whatsoever. It clearly indicates that you have nothing to prove.
 
Can't seem to get the forum to take my whole post, so I'm trying to put it up in parts.


Knives are tools, one of the things that distinguishes human beings is our ability to create, use, and improve (specialize) our tools. Having the right tool for the job makes it easier to do. This is why there are so many different features available in todays market. Its not really a valid argument to pit traditional against modern tactical, nor is it valid to say that because its a tool it can't be used as a weapon, or that because you view your knife as a weapon, I can't view my identical knife as a tool. These types of claims are called fallacies, they're used in arguments all the time, but it doesn't make them true.

Erik
 
FreebornErik said:
Can't seem to get the forum to take my whole post, so I'm trying to put it up in parts.


Knives are tools, one of the things that distinguishes human beings is our ability to create, use, and improve (specialize) our tools. Having the right tool for the job makes it easier to do. This is why there are so many different features available in todays market. Its not really a valid argument to pit traditional against modern tactical, nor is it valid to say that because its a tool it can't be used as a weapon, or that because you view your knife as a weapon, I can't view my identical knife as a tool. These types of claims are called fallacies, they're used in arguments all the time, but it doesn't make them true.

Erik
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Part 2.

I have carried a BM Axis lock clipped to the top of my pocket for well over a decade, I also carry a small traditional folder in the bottom of the same pocket. They are each different tools, and I have different uses for them in my day to day activities. I choose the one to apply based on the need at hand. Sometimes an easy to access stout, one hand opening, locking blade is a requirement. Sometimes I need a precise small razor sharp blade, sometimes its a blunt tip that can't poke me, sometimes its a flat blade, sometimes its a handle that won't slip when the tool gets slimy and my hands are inside sweaty gloves. These are all needs I have from my tools, and I carry a specialized set of tools to accommodate those needs. Perhaps most importantly though, is, at least presently, I don't have to rationalize or justify my tool choices or decisions to anyone else, this is called freedom.

Erik
 
Part 4

The real danger in the marketing of knives as tactical or in the marketing of certain features as being "tactical", while that may create or grow a market, it also helps create the public perception that said features, which may in fact be incredibly practical, are tactical, or "weapon" related.

Erik
 
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