TAD Gear

[Chief]

Lewis,

I know more than you might realize but here are some facts you might not be aware of...I have been to Patrick's apartment/business location 3 1/2 years ago, Patrick and I went to lunch and spent most of one afternoon discussing the knife business. I was a Microtech dealer for a couple of years, Microtech backed out of a written agreement with me and I quit. Microtech recently asked me to again become a Certified Dealer and I turned them down flat. My time is currently too valuable to answer plain or serrated e-mails and box up knives.

I did not say Patrick was not making any money. My reply was to an hourly and/or commission paid employee who made a smarta$$ remark directed at me for stating my opinion. There is history you are unaware of but I am not going to take the time to write a novel...ever wonder why the internet price of UT6s went from $499 to $344 overnight when they first came out? Send me an E-mail if you want to hear the details of that issue.

This thread has far outlived it's purpose. I won't respond to any future posts publically but if anyone wants to take it to private E-mail, that is fine. Jeremy, you're a good man.

 

[cutty]

everyone should go out of their way to help
a serviceperson these days.

 

[the45guy]

voodoo...rock on brother

 

[E__WOK]

Originally posted by Chief
Evan,
Since you have chosen to reply at me directly when I never mentioned you or TAD, take note...I made over six figures last year, did you? No and you never will...buwahahaha.

It's good that you are doing good business but I don't really care what you make.

You don't have to mention us as we know who you meant.

Originally posted by Chief
I know how the law pertains to credit card purchases, that has nothing to do with any "inside scoop" at TAD. I have had individuals put in jail for internet fraud, my wife works for the District Attorney's office and she has been in the legal business for 17 years, so yes, I have extensive legal knowledge. How much direct experiance do you have?

Just because your wife works for the DA doesn't mean you know anything.

*****

PS, did you not leave a voice mail on our system stating that you received a delivery/pickup notice from you postal representatives???

What about the email agreements?

 

[Jeremy Reynolds]

Chief,

You got e-mail.

You gonna try and make it down to the big gun/knife show this April? If you can, let me know and we'll do lunch.

JR

 

[Megalobyte]

The way i see it is BOTH parties took a calculated risk. PS risked losing his $$$ if the package went missing (assuming he did in fact agree to these terms), and just as importantly, TAD risked exactly what is happening, bad PR if it doesnt show, each party took a risk, each is apparently reaping the consequences of the risk they knowingly took.

I have bought from TAD, they have always responded to my emails within a day and my items always arrived on time, theyre a very reliable company, but if they think a bad post in GBU is unfair and dont want it, they shouldnt ship packages uninsured regardless of whether the buyer agrees, because an agreement on the buiyers part, as we have seen, doesnt at all preclude his complaining about it in a forum.

And yes, i have shipped high dollar packages to APOs fully insured.

This is an unfortunate occurance, but, again, both parties took risks, so neither really is in a position to be too upset with the other for what happened. Its just a lose-lose situation. Also, if some are thinking that TAD makes a lot of $$$, so why cant they just eat the cost of a new knife, well, remember, theyre not working on a big profit margin, if they were to eat the cost, it would probably negate the profit on a bunch of sales of that knife, no business can afford to do this often.

 

[the45guy]

still waiting for PS to address Voodoo's post.... seems a bit too co-incidental to me...

I still fail to see why he posted anything here in the 1st place.
He entered into an agreement , HE AGREED . WTF is so hard to see that him posting here complaining makes no sense.

If you agree to buy something sight unseen , without a money back option , you get it and it sucks - do you then complain ? Nope - you rolled the dice , took your chances and lost.

Just like gambling in Vegas

 

[Megalobyte]

Few of us know exactly what has really happened here, we are speculating without proven facts, I didnt follow PS banning on USN, and i dont know what he agreed to prior to shipment, only PS and TAD know that. Also, something we learned in law school was that it really doesnt matter what happened before, in the past, it has little if any bearing on this present situation, and a situation like this should be evaluated on the present, not past facts. So, the fact that PS may have had a similar incident in the past should have no bearing whatsoever on what happened here, and more than that, its sheer speculation, nothing more. But of course VooDooSan is within his rights to bring it up if he believes it is important, as we have the right to give his post the weight we feel it deserves.

I guess what i wanted to really say, because I always hate to see a good person's reputaion tainted, is that it's just possible that both parties are good, honest people and this is one of those bad things that happens to good people sometimes, and may not be anybodys fault. But, again, few of us know exactly what has happened here and we never will.

I'm glad TAD refunded the $$$ if for no other reason than to continue their excellent customer service, sometimes good CS is refunding or making something right even when you know its not your fault and they did just that and should be commended for that.

 

[SMAT]

I wonder how many times someone'd have to stick a fork in an electrical socket, before they figured there's a chance they might get hurt.

 

[oupa]

I have known PS for a few years now.
We correspond regularly and I have spoken to him on the phone on many occasions.
I have also conversed with his mom, his wife and their little daughter.
They are civil, decent people.
I have sent him knives and he has sent me some as well – one this December as a Christmas gift – he is that sort of a bloke.
A couple of weeks ago he told me about the knife he had ordered from TAD and how they did not respond to his e-mails.
He was quite upset and convinced that they were giving him the royal run-around.
He asked me what I suggest that he could do.
On the strength of what he told me, I suggested that he post here in the GBU forum.
I also said that he should give a bit of background about himself, that he was a serving member of the US forces etc.
So, you see this was my idea.
Not for a moment do I believe that TAD intended to do PS in.
Moreover, the idea that PS is a psychopathological repeat fraud artist, tugging at heartstrings with sob stories, as was raised here – is as insulting to him as it is ludicrous.
This whole saga was most probably a misunderstanding that resulted due to the lack of timely, effective communication.
So, leave a decent bloke alone and have a go at me, if you must.
Dirk

 

[GigOne]

Posted by E_WOK:

Who are you?

Last time I checked. . .GigOne.

Posted by E_WOK:

Why all the hatred for us?

See page 2 dude.

Posted by GigOne:

I’ve done business with TAD in the past. . .and I think that you guys rock !

Absolutely no "hatred."

While I've enjoyed doing business with TAD and think that TAD rocks. . .that doesn't mean that I will or have to agree with issues that I perceive in error. May that be TAD or anyone else !

Posted by VoodooSan:

For days now, people have been accusing TAD of poor business practices, whether those practices were indifference to the loss a customer sustained, lack of knowledge as to how to conduct their affairs, lack of knowledge as to how the USPS works, lack of care in following up on a difficult situation or, in the case of one post, collusion with another forum. And yet, when I post information that I believe has a direct bearing on the entire situation, and voice MY opinion as to the significance of that information, it’s a cheap shot??

No where in this thread has anyone implied or insinuated that TAD was a thief, crook, rip-off artist(s), etc.

Yes, there are posts that don't agree with how PS was taken care of.

Yes, there are posts that do agree with how PS was taken care of.

Amazing concept. . .for a discussion forum.

See the difference. . .between disagreeing on a particular subject. . . and. . .insinuating or implying that someone is or could be a THIEF !

Posted by VoodooSan:

And yet, when I post information that I believe has a direct bearing on the entire situation, and voice MY opinion as to the significance of that information, it’s a cheap shot??

A direct bearing ? Where is your PROOF ?

There is a substantial difference between offering an opinion on a subject. . .and implying/insinuating that someone is or could be a thief !

Posted by VoodooSan:

You don't find it the least bit suspicious that the same person, ordering two different knives, a year apart, had BOTH of them go missing in transit?

No suspicions here.

Yet. . .with the ENORMOUS amount of PROOF that you're offering makes him a thief ?

ROTFLMAO

Let's see. . .could it be a coincidence ?

Posted by VoodooSan:

You don't find it at all suspicious that the buyer's FIRST posts to public forums were accusatory, beleaguered and pleading, rather than conciliatory and straightforward?

Lost me. His first post on this forum ? Are you sure that you're talking about BFC ?

PS joined BFC in Nov '01 and has 217 posts (to date). Here is his first post on this forum.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178349

He has posted in GB&U in the past but I've only seen good comments - by him and towards him. If I'm wrong. . .please post the thread(s) that you're referring to.

Are you sure that you're talking about BFC ? Suspicious.

Posted by VoodooSan:

You don't find it the least bit suspicious that PS felt it necessary, in both posts, to not-too-subtly tug at everyone's heartstrings by pointing out that he's a soldier serving his country far from home, rather than simply stating the facts of the deal?

No. . .but that's me.

But, how is it suspicious ?

Posted by VoodooSan:

You don't find it the least bit suspicious that he found it necessary to point out, in his second post, that he'd been off studying for college exams (another not-too-subtle heartstring tug, IMO), to explain his absence? (Of course, when TAD didn’t answer his e-mails promptly, because of their holiday closure he "won't buy the line that the New Years Eve holidays were the reason for not answering emails.")

No. . .but again. . that's me.

Curious as to how you came to believe that his being gone for 2 or 3 days is suspicious ?

Posted by VoodooSan:

You don’t find it suspicious that he found it necessary to bring the USN ban into play, and accuse TAD and the USN Administrators of some sort of collusion?

Not suspicious.

"I also posted this very same thread on the Usual Suspects Network Forums and I got banned immediately. No where in there rules did it state I couldn't complain about a particular retailer. This really shows me that TAD Gear and USN have some kind of drug deal going on."

Maybe not the best choice of words !

Could be that he interrupted it that way - he posts a thread and is immediately banned.

What took place. . .took place there. I don't know what took place. . .nor do I care to know.

But. . .how's that suspicious ?

Posted by VoodooSan:

I suppose a case could be made that I'm overly suspicious. . .

Naaahhhhh. . .how could anyone come to that conclusion ? If someone did. . .I'd be suspicious.

Posted by VoodooSan:

I stand by what I have written, facts, opinions and all.

You're choice and is very suspicious.

Calling or insinuating or implying that someone is a thief. . .is a very substantial charge. . .especially when SOMEONES "opinion" isn't based on ANY FACTS !

I pretty much equate your factual data to the person who says. . ."hey, watch me pull a rabbit outta my a$$."

 

[Normark]

Hey Guys....

I'm with oupa on this one..

I've known Robert also for several years, and although we don't converse on a regular basis, we do frequently chat... Not only is he a client of mine, I would also consider him a friend, and trust him with pretty much anything (within limitations..LOL)

We've shipped items back and forth several times,,and never once had a problem with him...He's considered "Good People" where I come from

On the other hand I've never had problems with TAD and consider them an upfront outfit..

I also believe that this is just a big mis understanding that has gotten out of control..It's a frigging rotten shame that anyone is out any money...

I hope this turns out well though...

Good luck and Best Wishes to All..

ttyle

Eric....

 

[FrankDL]

I can feel PS's frustration and disappointment in not getting his paid for knife, and I admire his sense of duty in his chosen profession. All those men & women serving in our US military are my hero's; not those overpaid pampered sports jocks or the Hollywood phonies. However, the facts seem quite clear in this situation that PS entered into a deal with his eyes wide open; that he understood the risks, and, in understanding those risks proceeded with a deal in the hopes that at best his merchandise would arrive, and at worst his merchandise could be "lost" and never arrive.

Personally, I feel that his posting on this issue is way too premature, as many of us have been victims of the USPS occaional screw-up, resulting in 3-5 week deliveries on "Priorty Mail" service. It may still show up!

I do find it interesting and disturbing that PS did not respond to VoodooSan's two questions about his understanding of his agreement with TAD. It shows to me a lack of responsibility and credibility. If you bring a controversial issue to the GBU, you should be prepared to explain and defend it. If you stand mute on poignant questions asked of you regarding an issue that you have brought to the table, the you should understand that others may interpert your silence at best as embarassment for being wrong, or at worst, a consciousness of guilt.

Both PS and TAD are respected members of these forums, and both have their supporters. I do feel that in this case though, PS has made a mistake, and while it's extremely tough to do, he should accept his mistake, and own up to his mistake to those be made it with. He will be better man because of it. I know of what I speak, because I had to do it myself in a different situation. It's gut wrenching experience, but in the end it is worth it!...believe me.

Frank

 

[Keith Montgomery]

Hey everybody, I have a really good idea for passing some time. Why don't we all

It seems like quite a few of the people participating in this thread find this passtime to be quite enjoyable.

 

[FrankDL]

You're absolutely right Keith; Anyone posting 5 or more posts on a thread like this should rightfully be accused of beating the proverbial dead horse.

 

[PartialSerrations]

Well here I am again because I'm being called out and also being accused of stealing and deception. Here I am in full effect one again. To all my good friends and such, thanks again for your support. I feel as if you are being riduculed unnecessarily because you supported me and in no way shape or form did I ever intend for this to happen to you. I didn't even have to ask, you just did it out of generousity and that's what is so great about these forums. It is with deepest hopes that nothing negative comes about as a result of this. I'm truly grateful and you all are great. Me and VooDoSan did some business on more than one occasion and he's still a good man person to deal with. I sent him his money and keep in contact with him and he leaves me no reason to dislike him. He values his opinion and I respect that. He sent me a CRKT M 16 Lightfoot folder to which I did receive. He was nice enough to offer to buy the same knife for me and I told him that wasn't necessary because it did arrive. Don't think negative of him because I surely don't. This post wasn't meant to get ugly and we are all professionals here so it's my hope that no enemies are made here. I sought advice on what I should do from a really great person I and took it. I felt I gave TAD Gear had more than adequete time to get my merchandise to me and it never arrived. Airmail would have made it here in less than a week. If everyone is waiting for me to say "I'm sorry" and admit guilt then your sadly mistaken and I wouldn't hold your breath. It's not going to happen. I have been waiting since late October, early November of 03 and still no knife. As mentioned before, I don't make a living or get a thrill out of bashing and degrading people, retailers, or manufacturers although some have used this as a means to jump on the bashing wagon against me. Thank you for your time!!


IF WAR IS HELL, TAKE A BETTER PITCHFORK THAN THE DEVIL

 

[PartialSerrations]

I just wanted to inform you all that TAD Gear refunded my money and that my bank confirmed it. Thanks

 

[GigOne]

You don't know how happy it makes me to hear that you, Keith & Frank, have stood up and answered the call of filling the positions of Co-Chairpersons, Co-CEO's and Co-Presidents of the Dead Horse Beating Society !

Posted by PartialSerrations:
. . .TAD Gear refunded my money and that my bank confirmed it.

Glad to hear that.

 

[OMCHamlin]

Having lived out of a tiny FPO box for 3 years, I'm gonna chime in here.
1. You absolutely CAN get insurance to/from FPO/APO addresses, don't let some glassey eyed, drool mouth at the post office tell you different.
2. People in the FPO/APO system do steal, mostly because nothing, and I repeat nothing, will happen to them if they do.
3. It can take anywhere from 1 week to several months to get a Priority Mail package to LaMaddalena, Italy, so I wouldn't be suprised if it might be longer to Korea. I was there post 9/11 as well, things didn't really change much with the mail one way or the other.
4. I've had stuff stolen from the mail while over in Italy, what do you want us to do, stop using the mail, it's all we've got, thanks...
5. I had a knife turn up missing that I'd bought from a forum member back in 2000 or so, IIRC. I paid him for the knife and shipping, and in my e-mailed instructions, asked him to insure it. When an empty box arrived, he offered to "split the differance with me". I pointed out to him our correspondance, and he (reluctantly, I'm sure) refunded my money. After that, I continued to buy knives, but had the majority of them shipped to my folks, stateside. I still bought other stuff, cause I needed it in Italy. Believe it or not, there are some things you can't get overseas, that are nice to have/necessary.
6. In conclusion, I tend to come down on the side of P.S. on this one, in the end, TAD did the right thing, albeit again, reluctantly. Note to P.S.: Be more careful who you buy from, from now on, if they tell you they can't insure it, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. TAD was, I'm sure, not the only vendor available to you for whatever it was you needed.

BTW, Evan o'TAD, I noted your tagline; "I guess the Corps are the only ones teaching honor." Well, shipmate, I guess you have the right to say and think that, but I happen to think you are wrong. I believe Honor, Courage and Commitment exist in places other then the Corps.

Chris

 

[Ed T]

OMCHamlin

Let me get this straight. You hold someone accountable for the terms of a deal and then support someone who changed them after the fact. Yeah. You make sense.