Tank Like Folders?

[Josh K]

To Steel-Junky . look at : www.willumse-cph.com., or Tactical Knives Magazine,may 2008,pag.82. To Josh K. . what do you mean by " solid Ti "? Thank you

Solid Titanium.

 

[bradpierson26]

benchmade rukus,
benchmade skirmish
kershaw tyrade
ZT0300
maybe a spydie military

 

[Josh K]

I think people aren't reading you're intro paragraph there.....

 

[Cotherion]

Sorry... but nothing from Cold Steel is gonna compare to a knife like a Strider or Crusader Forge.

The lock strength of the CS espadas or rajahs take 400 pounds upwards. The crusader forge or striders depend on the weakest component of the lock which is the relief cut on the lockbar. Once it buckles (which the buckling strength of that small cross section of titanium isn't much to begin with) then the lock's kaput.

2nd issue, the resistance to opening/cutting force, Crusader forge's stop pin is thinner than the CS tri-ad's stop pins. Hence Cs also wins in opening/cutting force resistance.

Due to thinner stock CS loses on pry strength though.

Extrema Rao isn't too strong. The pivot pin is puny. and has total of 3 screws holding it all together, kinda weak. Extrema Nemesis or Fulcrum has puny lockbar pivot pin that is resisting closing/opening forces. Too weak.

I recommend you go for a custom, nothing in the market really satisfies my desire for super unnecessarily strong mother-of-a-folder just for the heck of owning one. Frankly so far for me the closest is the Black Rhino by Cold Steel cause the blade's not too long, the lock is super strong and the pivot pin is resting on thick aluminium (the stronger variant of the current aluminium, 7075 or 7XXX I can't remember number) so transfer of stress is good.

Hope this helps and sorry for offending strider or crusader owners. It's just my opinion from a dissecting of component weakness viewpoint.

PS: Read your paragraph but I just like to focus onto strength if that's fine by you.

PSPS: Greco Falcon folder is strongest for it's size class. Steel lockbar is stronger than titanium of same thickness. Titanium is mainly for weight reduction. For a small folder it has bloody thick steel framelock. Thoeretically it's much stronger than titanium lock of equal thickness. Also steel wears longer so lockbar travels slower.

 

[Josh K]

The lock strength of the CS espadas or rajahs take 400 pounds upwards. The crusader forge or striders depend on the weakest component of the lock which is the relief cut on the lockbar. Once it buckles (which the buckling strength of that small cross section of titanium isn't much to begin with) then the lock's kaput.

I'd guess that the back lock (triad lock or whatever) would shear part of the tang off the blade before a 2mm section of titanium "buckled". My two cents though.

 

[bitter1]

Spyderco Manix series, Chinook series, BM Skirmish series, Rukus series and the Ka Bar MULE folders are nice folders for the price.

 

[Cotherion]

I'd guess that the back lock (triad lock or whatever) would shear part of the tang off the blade before a 2mm section of titanium "buckled". My two cents though.

True but they have videod tests in youtube. Good enough for me. And the shearing of the tang of the blade depends on the design of the lock cutout on the blade. The cutout for the CS tri-ad locks is well designed in that it's deep enough and does not compromise too much of the strength if it's too deep (blade might snap if too deep). The shear resistance of the 'part-of-the-tang' depends on the shear area and it's helluva lot for this folder.

I posted a thread in the General Discussion forum regarding the effect of the relief cutout onto lock strength and STR covered it nicely. But I can't find the thread. If anyone can help then it'll be cool STR's own forum has a post regarding this issue.

I'm getting a Mod Mark 1. In theory the larger shear component then the stronger it is in resisting closing forces. I'll have a look at it in future.

 

[Veesix]

http://www.atwoodknives.com/home/19472383.php

Thanks t00k a l00k its a thick little 0ne.

 

[Josh K]

Thanks t00k a l00k its a thick little 0ne.

It is. As I said, he likes playing with things and coming up with new runs. Not sure he'd take a custom order. But it couldn't hurt to ask.

FWIW, Atwood does do 3V work.

 

[gibbyx]

I went back through Farid's website and looked up a few dealers. He seems to be concentrating on those Lile fixed blades. I don't know much about his folders or their availabilty these days.

If you can see a hard-anodized aluminum in place of your titanium slabs, Extrema Ratio has got the .25" blades. I have the Nemesis and MPC folders, and the specs on their Rao seem even heavier-duty. They use N590 steel and are made in Italy as military knives.

Slightly more gracile than your target specs, but ... http://www.dozierknives.com/dk-5.html ... Bob Dozier has a really massive folder here. Take a look. The Tab Lock is interesting. At a glance, it's a liner lock. But it covers the whole of the tang, serving as lock and bladestop.

Esav, if ya don't mind, how do you like the ER's. I know they're designed to be strapped to gear basically and not in blue jean pockets but beyond that, how do they fare?
Also, what happened with the company? I'm asking based on the little bit I read in the Archives of their sub-forum. Thanks for any feedback.

Gibby

 

[samhain73]

James Coogler made some of the most crazy overbuilt knives, .25 thick Ti frame lock, .25 thick A2 blades. Extrema Ratios are great overbuilt knives, but very thick, and thick edged. I had to really thin out the Nemesis and Fulcrum I had. Also ER's are the only folders that (IMHO) are better partially serrated, since you can't sharpen then twords the handle since the thumb studs are to tall, and placed too low.

 

[stormyone]

Shane Sibert Pocket Rocket or Monster Rocket! Here is a picture of MY PR.

I love that knife. Wish I had one.

I would recommend a Lone Wolf Harsey T3.

 

[drjones]

So I'm gonna be getting some kind of tank like folder here soon. Weight doesn't matter, size isn't an issue (But I'm trying to keep it in the 4" to 5" blade range)... So far Crusader Forge is in the lead... Their blades are .20" thick and their titanium handle scales are 3/16ths thick. And from what I'm told the newest models are gonna have 4.25" blades... I'm looking at the one with the large finger guard and solid titanium slabs (I don't like one side being G-10 like the Striders). Now... before anyone get's started... I know no one NEEDS a folder this overbuilt... and I know the sebenza and the like are wonderful folders... but I want a TANK. Just trying to address the "Why not get a Sebenza, you don't need a folder that huge and overbuilt" comments... though I'm sure they will still pop up LOL. Not saying something smaller and simpler isn't useful... But this is what I want. Besides I have a Leatherman Charge XTI with really does all my EDC blade needs so this is just an exercise in excess for the hell of it. So my question before I go buying a $500.00 folder is...

Are there any other folders out there that are even beefier? Something with maybe a .25" thick blade and .25" thick titanium scales? That would truly be a monster and would be something I'd be interested in. Plus... Crusader uses S30V... which is a wonderful steel that I truly love... but something more robust like a heavy duty tool steel or something would also be interesting to me. Any info guys. I'm basically looking for the chunkiest most overbult folder I can get. Something that makes people say... WTF is that? LOL. Thanks for any info guys.

Strider GB or AR.

 

[MikeC]

You and I must be brothers, the peter atwood UFO is probably the only knife ever made that really fits the bill, too bad he only made one, it sold $1,200.00 on ebay if memory serves correctly and he's busy as hell and probably could not be paid enough to make another one. The shane sibert pocket rocket or monster rocket is next, I know TKC's version is not solid Ti but he has made solid ti in the past and they are sick. Again, the guy is insane busy and your going to wait for a long time, I went to his web site when it was still up and he wasn't even taking order for pocket rockets. The next thing is sebenzas and missions, I choose Missions, have three of them. I tried to have some slight modifications made and order like 3 to 5 sebenzas and CRK said no way, take it their way or no way, so I said no. The Missions are not as thick as you want but send them off to STR and have the handles remade if money is not an object, the knives won't rust and you can beat the hell out of them, their bomb proof but you will roll edges and resharpen more often. There is also the trident or cursader forge models, which I have been thinking about getting as well, but have been satisfied with the Missions until another Atwood UFO comes out and then I'm simply going to go the bank and have a brief case filled with cash and go find Peter Atwood and make that stupid thing mine.

Good luck, there simply isn't much out there in solid ti with thick handles and blades, there just isn't I've spend more time looking on the net than I care to remember. Good luck.

 

[T.K.C.]

My PR is a solid titanum frame lock.

 

[MikeC]

TKC, no harm meant I think that when he made refernece to solid Titanium in his original post he meant solid titanium handles with no inlay, overlay, nothing just pure slabs of titnaium. I see the pictures of your knife and you have some overlay or inlay or am I not seeing that correctly. If so I am sorry.

 

[Veesix]

I've handle s0me 0f the cust0ms menti0n at my friends(Mastersmiths)st0re 0ut 0f curi0sity I'm n0t much 0f a f0lder guy and when I d0 think f0lder I think Big&Extreme Built any way I see this F0lder and the size and weight and uniqueness 0f it blew me away talk ab0ut Quality in a Big ASS Thick 0verbuilt F0lder. I'm starting t0 rant s0rry I just want t0 kn0w has any0ne handle a Kevin Wilkins Ryback f0lder ?N0t t0 d0wn the cust0ms menti0n and I had a chance t0 take any0ne. I t00k the Wilkins imh0 blew them away.F0rg0t t0 menti0n the blade 0n mine is Blued/Gunk0te A2 steel.

 

[gibbyx]

I've handle s0me 0f the cust0ms menti0n at my friends(Mastersmiths)st0re 0ut 0f curi0sity I'm n0t much 0f a f0lder guy and when I d0 think f0lder I think Big&Extreme Built any way I see this F0lder and the size and weight and uniqueness 0f it blew me away talk ab0ut Quality in a Big ASS Thick 0verbuilt F0lder. I'm starting t0 rant s0rry I just want t0 kn0w has any0ne handle a Kevin Wilkins Ryback f0lder ?N0t t0 d0wn the cust0ms menti0n and I had a chance t0 take any0ne. I t00k the Wilkins imh0 blew them away.F0rg0t t0 menti0n the blade 0n mine is Blued/Gunk0te A2 steel.

V6, why do you keep using zeros (0) for O's?

Gibby

 

[Steel-Junky]

The lock strength of the CS espadas or rajahs take 400 pounds upwards. The crusader forge or striders depend on the weakest component of the lock which is the relief cut on the lockbar. Once it buckles (which the buckling strength of that small cross section of titanium isn't much to begin with) then the lock's kaput.

2nd issue, the resistance to opening/cutting force, Crusader forge's stop pin is thinner than the CS tri-ad's stop pins. Hence Cs also wins in opening/cutting force resistance.

Doesn't matter, AUS8A is steel you get when better steels aren't available. It's ok... but not goo enough. And I do not think that the relief cut in titanium is too terribly week... we're basically talking about having to tear a 1/16th of titanium. Impossible? No... EXTREMELY unlikely yes. And I have to imagine it would take a lot more than 400 lbs at the lock to create enough force to shear that portion of the locking bar.

Stop pin size is only a small amount of openign/cutting strength. Position has a great deal to do with it. The way in which is engages the blade is VERY important. And the materials of the pin itself and the materials of the blade matter a great deal also. You take a large stop pin made of cheap steel, positioned poorly, stopping a blade of realatively average steel.... and you're not promised a stronger stop than a knife that may have a perfectly positioned pin, made of better materials, stopping a more robust blade, with more intense engagement. Not saying either the Strider or Crusader pull this off... but I would take semi-production to custom's attention to detail over the mass produced assembly line junk that Cold Steel throws out.

 

[Steel-Junky]

Anyone seen some of Shing Chan's work? He says he can build me a tank with .25" CPM 3V blade of 4.5" with .25" thick handle slabs. I saw one knife made my him in the makers forums which is what prompted me to contact him... just wondering if anyone else has any experience with him?