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I agree that this is an exceptional design. I'm curious though, what was it about this particular knife that your friends at work appreciated more than any of the others? GEC makes a lot of great traditional knives. Thanks for the great pic! Yours looks good.:thumbup:

Showed a few guys at work and of the 100 or so knives I've shown them over the years they said they like this one the most. That's says something about this pattern. I think it's a real winner. Hasn't left my pocket; fell asleep in the recliner and woke up with it in my lap...sweet knife dreams. Haha.
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I haven't been able to kick this one out of the pocket yet.
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I also haven't been able to really start using it yet either. As of right now it resides in a CK leather slip next to another more "aged" knife.
 
I agree that this is an exceptional design. I'm curious though, what was it about this particular knife that your friends at work appreciated more than any of the others? GEC makes a lot of great traditional knives. Thanks for the great pic! Yours looks good.:thumbup:

They liked the color, worm grooves, slimness of the knife, rounded ends, the super pointy punch(one guy is really into leather working), the way the blade looks with the double ended knife pattern, and the overall feel of the knife in hand.
 
Well mine finally arrived this aftn. I was fully prepared for a more extensive break in than should be required, and the possibility of tweaking it, which would have been disappointing if it needed but not the end of the world,(I felt compelled to file the kick on my 2015's sheepsfoot as it sat high and was uncomfortable to use the main, perfect now). I am pleased to report that mine is near perfect, no stickiness, no rub. Good snap on punch, decent on spear. Pull on mine is 5 on spear and 6.5 on punch. No grit and everything is flush. Spear is shaving sharp and as others have said the punch is very pointy! Catch bits have no play,(my 2015 moves on the sheepsfoot end). As of right now I cannot find a flaw. Into my pocket for a few days now...thanks to all involved for yet another BF beauty!

O.k. I found something. On closer inspection I noticed the ppp etch is a bit off, it seems it was done too faint and redone very bold slightly off the first. Now this won't matter as the faint one will disappear into the patina as it forms but I thought I'd mention it in case me getting a near perfect one has anyone jealous. I really lucked out twice as I got a good one this time, and last year I got one with beautiful grain and a knot that looks like a hurricane! Last years was my first, and after this one I'll very likely pick one up next year if the problems this time around don't spoil it.
 
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Catch Bit Info --- Hey folks, I know a few of you mentioned that there's some play in the catch bits, but that should be a non-issue. They're designed that way. The catch bit is designed to make that pocket a bit larger next to the adjacent blade, or to match thicknesses between two non-similar blades. The part you don't see, inside the knife, is cut parallel to the spring that it rides on top of. There has to be a gap between it and the spring that so that it doesn't interfere with the blade-spring relationship. Sometimes the gap may be a bit larger due to gauging the end of the spring, or gauging and dressing (smoothing) the tang.

Now lets look at the spring-blade relationship. When the blade is closed, the end of the tang and the kick are resting against the spring. The spring is actually pressing against the tang end, trying to press the blade further into the well, but the kick is preventing this from happening. This is what keeps that blade closed nice and tight.

OK, so you have a knife with a catch bit that was fitted tightly against the spring rather than with the requisite gap between them. And keep in mind that the catch bits are punched out to the same size, you can't custom fit every one unless you want to add a couple hundred dollars to each knife to cover labor costs. Everything works fine, the spring is pretty much right against the catch bit when the blade is closed. Now you use the knife, and find that after a number of sharpenings your blade tip is sitting a bit proud and you have to take a bit off the kick in order to drop the point back into the well. You take a bit off, close the blade,and to your horror it drops in just fine but isn't tight. It's floppy, easily pulled up about a sixteenth or eight of an inch before the tension starts. What happened? The act of filing the kick changed the geometry of the resting points on the spring. By filing the kick, that part of the tang pivots down farther, resulting in the round end pivoting up higher. In order to accomodate this the spring drops a bit, or moves closer to the pivot point. The only problem is the catch bit stayed right where it was, and the spring, rather than dropping against both contact points on the newly aligned tangs, is stuck against the catch bit, and you wind up with a floppy blade with no fix except to completely dismantle the knife and file some of the bit down to produce the needed gap. This can also happen at any time during production, since it's pretty much impossible to gauge and dress every single blade and spring end the same. Make a spring a hair too long, or wind up having to take a kick down a bit more than the others, and you get the same crummy result; knock the knife apart and hope you don't crack the covers in the process. So you see, that gap is absolutely necessary. Oftentimes the pin will expand in the hole and lock it in place so that the bit doesn't pivot, but more often than not it's to be expected. Hope this makes sense, it was mighty long winded. :o :D

Eric
 
While all y'all are enjoying your new knife, mine hasn't even arrived yet! Hopefully soon it will. Nice pictures y'all. :)
 
From a true cutler, thank you Sir!!

Catch Bit Info --- Hey folks, I know a few of you mentioned that there's some play in the catch bits, but that should be a non-issue. They're designed that way. The catch bit is designed to make that pocket a bit larger next to the adjacent blade, or to match thicknesses between two non-similar blades. The part you don't see, inside the knife, is cut parallel to the spring that it rides on top of. There has to be a gap between it and the spring that so that it doesn't interfere with the blade-spring relationship. Sometimes the gap may be a bit larger due to gauging the end of the spring, or gauging and dressing (smoothing) the tang.

Now lets look at the spring-blade relationship. When the blade is closed, the end of the tang and the kick are resting against the spring. The spring is actually pressing against the tang end, trying to press the blade further into the well, but the kick is preventing this from happening. This is what keeps that blade closed nice and tight.

OK, so you have a knife with a catch bit that was fitted tightly against the spring rather than with the requisite gap between them. And keep in mind that the catch bits are punched out to the same size, you can't custom fit every one unless you want to add a couple hundred dollars to each knife to cover labor costs. Everything works fine, the spring is pretty much right against the catch bit when the blade is closed. Now you use the knife, and find that after a number of sharpenings your blade tip is sitting a bit proud and you have to take a bit off the kick in order to drop the point back into the well. You take a bit off, close the blade,and to your horror it drops in just fine but isn't tight. It's floppy, easily pulled up about a sixteenth or eight of an inch before the tension starts. What happened? The act of filing the kick changed the geometry of the resting points on the spring. By filing the kick, that part of the tang pivots down farther, resulting in the round end pivoting up higher. In order to accomodate this the spring drops a bit, or moves closer to the pivot point. The only problem is the catch bit stayed right where it was, and the spring, rather than dropping against both contact points on the newly aligned tangs, is stuck against the catch bit, and you wind up with a floppy blade with no fix except to completely dismantle the knife and file some of the bit down to produce the needed gap. This can also happen at any time during production, since it's pretty much impossible to gauge and dress every single blade and spring end the same. Make a spring a hair too long, or wind up having to take a kick down a bit more than the others, and you get the same crummy result; knock the knife apart and hope you don't crack the covers in the process. So you see, that gap is absolutely necessary. Oftentimes the pin will expand in the hole and lock it in place so that the bit doesn't pivot, but more often than not it's to be expected. Hope this makes sense, it was mighty long winded. :o :D

Eric
 
Eric -
Thanks for the information. That's very interesting. There's a lot going on inside the two ends.
 
They say " You learn something new every day". To those of us who just open and close a knife and think nothing special going on there, need some education, myself included. Thank you for that information Eric, most enlightening. Good to see you still follow BFC.

Russell
 
Still haven't got ether of my #35s yet. I guess Thanksgiving slowed up the mail for a few days. The waiting is killing me!! :D
 
Eric, thank you for your post. I didn't know you should never file the kick on a knife that has a catch bit.
 
Eric, thank you for your post. I didn't know you should never file the kick on a knife that has a catch bit.

Cbr, by all means file it, but like all knives only if you have to, such as when the tip is sticking up above the liners. I was trying to explain that if it's designed correctly with a slight gap, as GEC has done, you'll have no problem with filing the kick. You have plenty of room for spring movement, at least for normal wear and tear that is.

Here's a quick, VERY rudimentary image of what I was referring to. The catch bit is drawn in red. You can see that there's a bit of a gap between it and the backspring. In this way the spring and blade can always be in contact without any interference from the bit, even if the kick is eventually filed and the spring moves up a bit. Occasionally though the catch bit may pivot a bit during blade movement and you may be left with the tip against the spring and a gap between the spring end and the catch bit. as a few people above mentioned. I shaded this area with extra red. This in no way affects the knife and is actually a design feature. Possibly there's a way to shape the bit to lessen the effect, I have a thing or two in mind, but past experience tells me that every time you solve a problem on one part of a knife you cause five more on another area (or in production), so it's definitely something that needs to be thoroughly tested first.

Eric

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The breaking in is ongoing. I was going to write that I thought I had the punch working pretty well, and then I literally just broke my thumbnail :eek:

But it really is getting better. The more I flush and obsessively work this knife the more it seems reasonable to try giving it a little pocket time. I'm going to carry it tomorrow. The main blade is working pretty well, and I like the grooves on mine even more that the images I've seen of other's folks knives. Maybe this one will grow on me if I give it more of a chance.
 
Thank you Eric for the info about catch bits. I had never given them much thought, though I had of course noticed them on knives. I always love the opportunity to learn more about how knives are made. I can't imagine ever trying to tackle a slipjoint myself. I really appreciate the knowledge and craftsmanship that someone like you carries.
 
Cbr, by all means file it, but like all knives only if you have to, such as when the tip is sticking up above the liners. I was trying to explain that if it's designed correctly with a slight gap, as GEC has done, you'll have no problem with filing the kick. You have plenty of room for spring movement, at least for normal wear and tear that is.

Here's a quick, VERY rudimentary image of what I was referring to. The catch bit is drawn in red. You can see that there's a bit of a gap between it and the backspring. In this way the spring and blade can always be in contact without any interference from the bit, even if the kick is eventually filed and the spring moves up a bit. Occasionally though the catch bit may pivot a bit during blade movement and you may be left with the tip against the spring and a gap between the spring end and the catch bit. as a few people above mentioned. I shaded this area with extra red. This in no way affects the knife and is actually a design feature. Possibly there's a way to shape the bit to lessen the effect, I have a thing or two in mind, but past experience tells me that every time you solve a problem on one part of a knife you cause five more on another area (or in production), so it's definitely something that needs to be thoroughly tested first.

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Eric!! I literally just asked a friend today if he had heard anything about you and I had been wondering how you're doing. Good to see you post and hope all is well. Thank you for the walk through on catch bits very interesting.
 
Mine was waiting for me when I got home from working and I have to say I HATE IT !
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Burnt Orange indeed .
It looks nothing like burnt orange.
Here's a pic of the knife on top of a jar of my home made marmalade that got over cooked and as you can see it looks nothing like the same colour.

Reckon I got a couple of nibbles there:D

My sincere thanks to you-Barry, Charlie,Bill-nice job.
Cant get over the slimness its simply beautiful.
My biggest dread was getting a 5 per center. Once again the knife gods smile on me- absolutely no problems - if anything the pull is is a 5.
WINNER.
 
It looks nothing like burnt orange.
Here's a pic of the knife on top of a jar of my home made marmalade that got over cooked and as you can see it looks nothing like the same colour.

Haha! Very good Jon, I must admit I took a little bite at first!

:)
 
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Thanks Eric, great info! A positive side effect of the issues with the forum knife is the wealth of information shared about the inner working of a pocket knife, I've learned a lot the past few days.

P.S. I don't mean to belittle the problems some of us have with the forum knife. I sincerely hope all problems can be solved for all involved.
 
5 percenter here. Have been opening the punch with the help of a screwdriver countless times with little result. Seems as tight as it ever was. The only thing I've managed to do is scratch up the area around the nick as the screwdriver slips out.

I still can't believe GEC doesn't open and close the blades in the QC process. After all, a knife is pretty useless unless you can actually open it. Too bad as everything else about the knife is first class. Guess I'll send it back and start the waiting process all over again. Think I'll be a late buyer on next years forum knife.
 
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