The 2024 F**** K****?

EngrSorenson EngrSorenson I was not referencing anyone’s post.

I was just stating that we don’t need to try to control the secondary market for the future Blade Forum knives. They are currently selling for under what we paid for them. The 2023 Blade Forum knives are not hot on the secondary. Just because someone lists a knife for $324 on eBay doesn’t mean that it will sell. The ones I have seen sell on the BF exchange and on Facebook groups were all right at $200 range. Currently, people listing these knives are not even getting that. Again these knives are not highly in demand anymore. This was a very large run of 600. So all we have to do to combat flippers is to order a very large future run of BF knives to keep the demand low. Also, it helped that the 2023 BF knife was still available for sale until very recently.

Also, the argument that no one should ever be able to sell the knives is flawed for two reasons. First, it used to be that we bought the knives for under $100 and since people volunteered their time and effort it was disrespectful to sell them to try to make a profit. But now it is not really an issue because Blade Forums definitely did not charge us the bare minimum for that knife. The recent Great Eastern Cutlery Club FB group knife was only $150 and it also was a two blade knife. So BF is making some money on these knives now. Secondly, it is a waste of time trying to track down who traded a knife or sold it. We can not possibly know who sold something at the correct price and then two owners later it got into the hands of a person selling it for profit. Once it leaves the original owners hands, the history is lost.
 
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T. Moore said:
But the serialized bolster is a neat feature. I honestly thought it was more about commemorating the limited nature of the run than tracking secondary market sales
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The serial numbers were an attempt to limit reselling of the knives. The serial numbers etched onto the bolsters are ugly. Bolsters should not be marked up. It looks cheap, like some sort of Case brand “Limited Edition”. The first thing I did with both the 2022 and 2023 BF knives was sand and polish the bolster as much as possible to minimize that serial number. Then I put a nice patina on the blades and sharpened them.
 
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Travman said:
I was just stating that we don’t need to try to control the secondary market for the future Blade Forum knives.
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I think you can let the Forum leadership decide what they would like to do about that. It’s like saying we don’t need to enforce speed limits because Travman hasn’t seen anyone speeding. It’s happened every year if the forum knife and it’s happened this past year, too.

Travman said:
it is a waste of time trying to track down who traded a knife or sold it.
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Tell that to the guys on the naughty list who were caught flipping last year. Here’s one!
And my favorite response!

Travman said:
Also, the argument that no one should ever be able to sell the knives is flawed for two reasons.
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Yes. The first is I made that joke. The second is the Forums didn’t say you can’t resell your forum knife.

Look, Forum leadership decides they don’t want to worry about people flipping forum knives anymore? No problem. Let them say it.
 
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Travman said:
and since people volunteered their time and effort it was disrespectful to sell them to try to make a profit.
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It’s still disrespectful.
Travman said:
Blade Forums definitely did not charge us the bare minimum for that knife.
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Speculation on your part, you don’t have a clue about the pricing.
Travman said:
The recent Great Eastern Cutlery Club FB group knife was only $150 and it also was a two blade knife.
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The original price for the 2023 BF knife was $160 shipped.
Travman said:
Just because someone lists a knife for $324 on eBay doesn’t mean that it will sell.
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The same individual did sell a “user” for $274.
Travman said:
First, it used to be that we bought the knives for under $100
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And since that time the price for just about everything has increased.
 
EngrSorenson said:
I think you can let the Forum leadership decide what they would like to do about that.
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… and I think you can let someone express an opinion without getting offended. I never said that the forum leadership has to take my advice. You presume too much. This is a discussion board. People have thoughts and share them on a discussion board. I’ll share mine again. I think it is waste of time to track the forum knives.
 
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Boru13 said:
It’s still disrespectful.

Speculation on your part, you don’t have a clue about the pricing.

The original price for the 2023 BF knife was $160 shipped.

The same individual did sell a “user” for $274.

And since that time the price for just about everything has increased.
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Never said it wasn’t disrespectful to sell a forum knife. I never have and never will sell a forum knife. I said it was a waste of time to track them.

My mistake for quoting the $200. This must have been the cost for the later knives you guys sold.

People may be missing my point. You may be able to slap one guy on the wrist, but at what cost of time and tracking. The time and effort is not worth it. Just make sure the BF knife is produced in large numbers. Price it high enough so that there is not a huge market for flippers and then keep some for sale for a long time after the initial sale.
 
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Travman said:
Price it high enough so that there is not a huge market for flippers and then keep some for sale for a long time after the initial sale.
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Prices go up of course, but I'd rather have a few flippers get in, than price out a segment of members.
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People may be missing my point. You may be able slap one guy on the wrist, but at what cost of time and tracking. The time and effort is not worth it.
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'Do what you love, and you'll never work a day in your life' ;)
 
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… and I think you can let someone express an opinion without getting offended.
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Absolutely, and I'm not offended. Lets review:

Travman said:
On the secondary market these did not sell for more the original $200 cost.
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This is all sorts of wrong. Just incorrect. It's not an opinion; it's not factual.
(I updated the links, by the way, just so you can see for yourself a documented case of flipping)

Travman said:
There is no need for serial numbers on the bolster or any form of tracking
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This is an opinion, and you're welcome to it.
The fact is, you can't prove it's unnecessary, but I can prove that it's at least helpful (see above).

But with all that said I harbor no ill will and I take no offense.
 
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EngrSorenson EngrSorenson I was not referencing anyone’s post.

I was just stating that we don’t need to try to control the secondary market for the future Blade Forum knives. They are currently selling for under what we paid for them. The 2023 Blade Forum knives are not hot on the secondary. Just because someone lists a knife for $324 on eBay doesn’t mean that it will sell. The ones I have seen sell on the BF exchange and on Facebook groups were all right at $200 range. Currently, people listing these knives are not even getting that. Again these knives are not highly in demand anymore. This was a very large run of 600. So all we have to do to combat flippers is to order a very large future run of BF knives to keep the demand low. Also, it helped that the 2023 BF knife was still available for sale until very recently.

Also, the argument that no one should ever be able to sell the knives is flawed for two reasons. First, it used to be that we bought the knives for under $100 and since people volunteered their time and effort it was disrespectful to sell them to try to make a profit. But now it is not really an issue because Blade Forums definitely did not charge us the bare minimum for that knife. The recent Great Eastern Cutlery Club FB group knife was only $150 and it also was a two blade knife. So BF is making some money on these knives now. Secondly, it is a waste of time trying to track down who traded a knife or sold it. We can not possibly know who sold something at the correct price and then two owners later it got into the hands of a person selling it for profit. Once it leaves the original owners hands, the history is lost.
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The one thing you're missing here is that you're using this past year's model as a baseline. They were overall not a very desirable model. Contrast that with say, the 86 Rope Knife from '19. Those BF knives still command a major premium, as do certain other previous knives on secondary. All it will take is Bladeforums announcing another highly desirable model as the yearly knife and we'll have the flies buzzing all over this place again.
 
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Quiet said:
The one thing you're missing here is that you're using this past year's model as a baseline. They were overall not a very desirable model. Contrast that with say, the 86 Rope Knife from '19. Those BF knives still command a major premium, as do certain other previous knives on secondary. All it will take is Bladeforums announcing another highly desirable model as the yearly knife and we'll have the flies buzzing all over this place again.
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That is a good point. We can never know what future knife might be a mega hit and command major premiums on the secondary. I was assuming that future knives would be about like the current 2023 knife in terms of secondary market pricing.
 
Ya can't really use serial numbers for accurate tracking. I've bought every BF knife since 2010 and have gifted them all except 2020, 2022, 2023.

Here's one for ya. I bought this 2021 Blade Forum knife and made a general announcement that I was going to gift it. A member sent me a PM asking for it for a friend so I sent the knife to him. Lo and behold the guy he gave the knife to made a post later on and bad mouthed Blade Forums.

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GPO MAN said:
I don’t see how people are flipping these, I had a hard time selling mine for what I paid for it.
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The secret is what Quiet says below- Not every pattern garners the same level of desirability.
from a pattern standpoint, the 2023 BF knife isn't my favorite. I carry it, but I don't carry it often in favor of patterns I like a bit better.
It's the anniversary forum knife though, and I enjoy this place a lot, so I love it from that stand point, and I'm glad I have a serialized knife.
Unfortunately for the secondary market, sentimentality for Blade Forums isn't a selling point for most buyers.
As I recall, the 2021 forum knife (as much as everyone hated the voting) was extremely popular with the secondary market, with knives being listed and sold at absolutely crazy prices.
$500+, if I recall correctly. It's the BBB effect (big barlow bolsters).
Quiet said:
The one thing you're missing here is that you're using this past year's model as a baseline. They were overall not a very desirable model. Contrast that with say, the 86 Rope Knife from '19. Those BF knives still command a major premium, as do certain other previous knives on secondary. All it will take is Bladeforums announcing another highly desirable model as the yearly knife and we'll have the flies buzzing all over this place again.
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Modoc ED said:
Ya can't really use serial numbers for accurate tracking.
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That's true- once it's exchanged hands one time, it's hard to know for bookkeeping purposes.
On the other hand, I think the people the forum worries about are not the kind of people who gift knives to people.
I think it just outs the more egregious cases of flipping. We'll never stop it all.
Modoc ED said:
Lo and behold the guy he gave the knife to made a post later on and bad mouthed Blade Forums.
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Well doesn't that just beat all?...
 
Modoc ED said:
Ya can't really use serial numbers for accurate tracking. I've bought every BF knife since 2010 and have gifted them all except 2020, 2022, 2023.

Here's one for ya. I bought this 2021 Blade Forum knife and made a general announcement that I was going to gift it. A member sent me a PM asking for it for a friend so I sent the knife to him. Lo and behold the guy he gave the knife to made a post later on and bad mouthed Blade Forums.

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By the way, that knife is now in the hands of Randy Bell the GEC engineer. He carries it everyday.
 
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