The 2024 F**** K****?

Drop bear said:
I assume you can't buy multiples or something?

I could see if someone snapped up 50 of them and scalped them for a profit it would be a sour taste.
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IMHO the secondary market for GEC is vicious and sucks all the fun out of trying to score their knives on the drops. Its infuriating to try to score a drop and then see later on the FB groups that the same 4-5 guys as always were able to “get lucky” and get a couple of each color. Those same knives are always on ebay the same day for insane prices. Not going to speculate on how it happens but its strange given the fact that on a few drops there were enough orders to crash the dealers websites.

So its not so much quantity or price the scalpers are flipping, i think the BF admins were genuinely trying to keep the fun in it and keep the predatory fun-sucking hype guys out
 
Travman said:
Simply make a lot of them and keep them for sale for a long time and there won’t be a market for flippers.
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No offense or disrespect intended, but this is the worst idea I've ever heard. It's in the same vein as the now very disproven idea that official retailers raising their prices would curb flipping. The result is that now we have flipper prices at official dealers. That did not work out the way it was intended. Or maybe it did? 🤔

Traditional Forum knives should be exclusive and available at low-to-reasonable prices to current, active, and participating members of the BF Traditional Forum - not the Butterfly Knife Forum, not the Auto Knives Forum, but only the Traditional Forum. And certainly not the person who made 25 posts 10 years ago and now only comes by to purchase, and subsequently flip, desirable forum knives - potentially leaving management stuck with knives that don't command high secondary prices.

r8shell said:
Prices go up of course, but I'd rather have a few flippers get in, than price out a segment of members.
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Precisely.

EngrSorenson said:
That's true- once it's exchanged hands one time, it's hard to know for bookkeeping purposes.
On the other hand, I think the people the forum worries about are not the kind of people who gift knives to people.
I think it just outs the more egregious cases of flipping. We'll never stop it all.
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I don't think the goal is to keep tabs on every forum knife always and forever. It's to make the predatory losers who want to make a quick buck off our hobby work harder for it. I support that. As far as I'm concerned, make them work so hard it ain't even worth it.

I've long been a fan of much more stringent restrictions to purchase a traditional forum knife. Numerous recent and relevant high-quality posts, vouches by established members of the community, etc. That way, maybe we wouldn't need as many knives made, it wouldn't be as much work to organize, and could then maybe stay affordable for the majority of legitimate and participating community members.
 
I think the only way to keep the prices low (and dissuade flippers) is to increase supply, not shrink it.

The last two years of forum knives have had bigger runs and I've seen them on the exchange and other secondary markets for less than the original price.
 
wickettedge said:
I think the only way to keep the prices low (and dissuade flippers) is to increase supply, not shrink it.
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Under usual circumstances, I agree. Though what's to be done when an item's desirability is linked intrinsically to its exclusivity, as with a club knife being available only to members of a given club?

If I were part of a club with 49 other members who were limited to one club knife purchase per member, but the club knife was run in a quantity of 300 units, I believe I'd feel that the "exclusive club knife" wasn't so exclusive after all. It may not decrease my desire, based on the knife's individual characteristics, but I wouldn't be purchasing it as a representation of the pride I'd assume I'd have for being a member of said exclusive club.

wickettedge said:
The last two years of forum knives have had bigger runs and I've seen them on the exchange and other secondary markets for less than the original price.
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Not sure if this is a good thing. I don't like buying new cars because of the immediate depreciation that occurs once the title changes hands. In the same vein, I believe I'd be hesitant to purchase a knife that I knew would immediately lose value, even if I never planned to sell it.

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Enough pontificating from me. Serious on-topic question: It seems that having a forum knife created would be an opportunity to get highly desirable patterns and cover materials, that are otherwise extremely difficult or cost-prohibitive to obtain, into the hands of forum members.

Recently, it seems that medium-to-large sized clip-blade jack knives (single-blade barlows especially) in materials such as stag, marrow bone, glitter gold, Nifebrite, etc are very popular with the traditional knife community at large.

If they are so desirable, why then don't we get those kinds of materials and configurations in our forum knives? Sure would love a marrow bone forum knife - what gives?

CHVZIWl.jpeg

My latest forum knife. I still own it, use it, and like it but it's not a "grail" for me by any stretch. It's nice, but there's no shortage of brown jigged bone in my humble hoard.
 
birdsbeaks said:
Under usual circumstances, I agree. Though what's to be done when an item's desirability is linked intrinsically to its exclusivity, as with a club knife being available only to members of a given club?

If I were part of a club with 49 other members who were limited to one club knife purchase per member, but the club knife was run in a quantity of 300 units, I believe I'd feel that the "exclusive club knife" wasn't so exclusive after all. It may not decrease my desire, based on the knife's individual characteristics, but I wouldn't be purchasing it as a representation of the pride I'd assume I'd have for being a member of said exclusive club.



Not sure if this is a good thing. I don't like buying new cars because of the immediate depreciation that occurs once the title changes hands. In the same vein, I believe I'd be hesitant to purchase a knife that I knew would immediately lose value, even if I never planned to sell it.

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Enough pontificating from me. Serious on-topic question: It seems that having a forum knife created would be an opportunity to get highly desirable patterns and cover materials, that are otherwise extremely difficult or cost-prohibitive to obtain, into the hands of forum members.

Recently, it seems that medium-to-large sized clip-blade jack knives (single-blade barlows especially) in materials such as stag, marrow bone, glitter gold, Nifebrite, etc are very popular with the traditional knife community at large.

If they are so desirable, why then don't we get those kinds of materials and configurations in our forum knives? Sure would love a marrow bone forum knife - what gives?

CHVZIWl.jpeg

My latest forum knife. I still own it, use it, and like it but it's not a "grail" for me by any stretch. It's nice, but there's no shortage of brown jigged bone in my humble hoard.
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I love those. Not that anyone asked me but I'd be very, very happy with some kind of dyed and jiged bone and two blades, a large one either clip-point or spear-point and a small one in lambsfoot. The GEC 86 and GEC 77 come to mind, though something with the heft and length of the GEC 35 and with the nick for opening on the same side with the small blade in front, unlike the GEC 86. It's just a bit awkward, somehow.

I like the larger knife for cutting and spreading (I use it for food, mostly) and the smaller for opening boxes, packages, etc., where the sharp point really helps. That GEC 35 cosmetic reject I got for cheap-ish has been the most perfect pocket knife I've ever carried without exception.

The jigged bone looks less beautiful than most of the smooth scales but I have found that grip to be very useful when my hand is wet. This is especially an issue when cutting fruits or something with olive oil (at least as I use my 3-bladed best friend).
 
birdsbeaks said:
Under usual circumstances, I agree. Though what's to be done when an item's desirability is linked intrinsically to its exclusivity, as with a club knife being available only to members of a given club?

If I were part of a club with 49 other members who were limited to one club knife purchase per member, but the club knife was run in a quantity of 300 units, I believe I'd feel that the "exclusive club knife" wasn't so exclusive after all. It may not decrease my desire, based on the knife's individual characteristics, but I wouldn't be purchasing it as a representation of the pride I'd assume I'd have for being a member of said exclusive club.



Not sure if this is a good thing. I don't like buying new cars because of the immediate depreciation that occurs once the title changes hands. In the same vein, I believe I'd be hesitant to purchase a knife that I knew would immediately lose value, even if I never planned to sell it.

--

Enough pontificating from me. Serious on-topic question: It seems that having a forum knife created would be an opportunity to get highly desirable patterns and cover materials, that are otherwise extremely difficult or cost-prohibitive to obtain, into the hands of forum members.

Recently, it seems that medium-to-large sized clip-blade jack knives (single-blade barlows especially) in materials such as stag, marrow bone, glitter gold, Nifebrite, etc are very popular with the traditional knife community at large.

If they are so desirable, why then don't we get those kinds of materials and configurations in our forum knives? Sure would love a marrow bone forum knife - what gives?

CHVZIWl.jpeg

My latest forum knife. I still own it, use it, and like it but it's not a "grail" for me by any stretch. It's nice, but there's no shortage of brown jigged bone in my humble hoard.
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I agree with you that the forum knives need to go back to being more desirable, in particular, for BF members. The 2021 forum is one of my favorites because, not only was the voting process fun, but the final product was one of the most desirable GECs produced recently. We need to bring back the voting!

I don’t think the 32s are going to fit into the highly desirable category because they are pretty similar to the 2023 forum knife. I hope the 2024 knife is a 77. If the 32’s use 77 blades, maybe it’s not a stretch to hope that 77s are next?
 
birdsbeaks said:
Under usual circumstances, I agree. Though what's to be done when an item's desirability is linked intrinsically to its exclusivity, as with a club knife being available only to members of a given club?

If I were part of a club with 49 other members who were limited to one club knife purchase per member, but the club knife was run in a quantity of 300 units, I believe I'd feel that the "exclusive club knife" wasn't so exclusive after all. It may not decrease my desire, based on the knife's individual characteristics, but I wouldn't be purchasing it as a representation of the pride I'd assume I'd have for being a member of said exclusive club.



Not sure if this is a good thing. I don't like buying new cars because of the immediate depreciation that occurs once the title changes hands. In the same vein, I believe I'd be hesitant to purchase a knife that I knew would immediately lose value, even if I never planned to sell it.

--

Enough pontificating from me. Serious on-topic question: It seems that having a forum knife created would be an opportunity to get highly desirable patterns and cover materials, that are otherwise extremely difficult or cost-prohibitive to obtain, into the hands of forum members.

Recently, it seems that medium-to-large sized clip-blade jack knives (single-blade barlows especially) in materials such as stag, marrow bone, glitter gold, Nifebrite, etc are very popular with the traditional knife community at large.

If they are so desirable, why then don't we get those kinds of materials and configurations in our forum knives? Sure would love a marrow bone forum knife - what gives?

CHVZIWl.jpeg

My latest forum knife. I still own it, use it, and like it but it's not a "grail" for me by any stretch. It's nice, but there's no shortage of brown jigged bone in my humble hoard.
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In years past, we as a forum would participate in a series of threads where we chose various metrics of what would be the finalized BF Knife. The last few have been more a case of Bill telling our representative (Charlie, Spark, etc.) what he's able to make, we see a picture, and you're free to either buy it or not. It's been just a cover variant of a currently being-produced knife. We don't really get to dicker over choices of covers, blades, model, etc. like we used to. We gets what we gets, and that's what it is. I don't have an issue with this in general, but it can't be denied that we have had some absolute beauties in years past when there was more choice in the process.
 
I wonder if doing polls on this (and other) forums would be useful for GEC in general to measure demand.
 
Whoops. I meant the GEC 92. It's soooo close to being perfection, just put the small blade in front of the large blade with the thumb nick facing the same side and maybe a tiny bith thicker at the pivot bolster and a tiny bit longer... then... PERFECTION!!!!

I'd looooove to see a BF knife that is like that one but with those mods and some kind of BF label to remind us that it is a labor of love, not just something to be sold.
 
ErikMB said:
I wonder if doing polls on this (and other) forums would be useful for GEC in general to measure demand.
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Not likely, and for 2 reasons;

I watch this poor lady who owns a nearby craft/crafting store and she's always polling people on facebook for when they want to have classes.
The polls generate answers, so she sets up a class time and then she's surprised when no one follows through.
It's almost impossible to properly gauge the number of Forum knives we need and we poll people for interest- interest unfortunately doesn't indicate commitment.

Bill Howard once commented after the onslaught of #97 coke bottles that he'd never run thousands of knives again.
He was burning out his employees with repetition. For everyone in the world who wants certain GECs to get those, they'd probably be producing 1000s again.
 
Important question regarding polls would be who's voiting. Only traditional cutlery people eligible to buy a forum knife? Or whoever happened to drop by and slap a vote just for the fun of it?
 
Alex.Y. said:
Important question regarding polls would be who's voiting. Only traditional cutlery people eligible to buy a forum knife? Or whoever happened to drop by and slap a vote just for the fun of it?
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I think the debate of Blade Forums "Traditional Forum" Knife vs. the The Blade Forums traditional Forum Knife has been settled once and for all starting last year.
It's open to all the forums...

BUT BOY AM I GLAD IT'S A #77! ...

... gotta keep the flippers guessing.
 
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