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Bad THE BAD Will Moon
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Not only kids tho...YouTube might come here and take it down!!!
Back to the topic....Will knives always looked very well made in his videos and even in Jim Skelton videos both MK6 and MK7 looked like very well made knives. Did they come from him in mint condition and as they broke in became really bad apples or something? I am asking because it always seems the ones for sale in the forums are either back from spa or with issues but the same knives in videos brand new look pretty good.
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His original MK6s were his best work. I recently traded one away and I honestly miss it. Prior to trading he re-etched the blade, sharpened and upgraded the stainless hardware for free. Its crazy to think he is only 23 or so and was making his first MK6s at 20-21, talented. Kind of hope he can mature and be successful again. I try to be positive after all the dark shit I've seen over the past 15 yrs, off soap box. He did make me one with a harpoon blade and I sold to a fellow member just a few months ago. I never carried it and sold it right after I got it, just preferred the older one. After I shipped it, it either developed or had centering or lock up issues prior and I did not notice. I felt like crap for the buyer and my rep, but I believe Will repaired it. (If I'm wrong the buyer might be able to comment.) I was embarrassed it had issues so early after getting it new from the maker. I shot Will an email a soon as the buyer advised of the issues to get them resolved.
No, I'm not a paid spokesman. I was a fan after watching Jim Skelton's videos....its Jim's fault.
(Kidding JIM)
No, I'm not a paid spokesman. I was a fan after watching Jim Skelton's videos....its Jim's fault.
(Kidding JIM)
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This is what I got for giving a opinion on one of Will's knives on Instagram.
I specifically said that it was only about that one knife and didn't say anything negative about his customer service because I hadn't dealt with him. Customer service seems to be the number one gripe though. Now after things like this there will be questions about dishonesty as well.
I honestly still think if he just steps up to the plate and takes responsibility for himself he will be fine but as of now it doesn't seem like his course of action
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Fellow Knifers,
I don't mean to make excuses for Will, but his behavior is very common in people aged between 18-25. Recent research confirms that the physical makeup of many young peoples brains are not fully formed. There are many results to this, but one is the inability to think "long term." The mistakes that Will has made confound many of you because they affect his future standing and reputation, and you folks can't image that happening. But Will's simply not developmentally ready to prepare for the future. Many of us who routinely deal with folks of this age would NEVER conduct a meaningful business transaction with them. Let me say that not everyone matures slowly, but Will may be one of those does. Lastly, this inability to plan for the future doesn't mean he's not incredibly talented in other areas.
I don't mean to make excuses for Will, but his behavior is very common in people aged between 18-25. Recent research confirms that the physical makeup of many young peoples brains are not fully formed. There are many results to this, but one is the inability to think "long term." The mistakes that Will has made confound many of you because they affect his future standing and reputation, and you folks can't image that happening. But Will's simply not developmentally ready to prepare for the future. Many of us who routinely deal with folks of this age would NEVER conduct a meaningful business transaction with them. Let me say that not everyone matures slowly, but Will may be one of those does. Lastly, this inability to plan for the future doesn't mean he's not incredibly talented in other areas.
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Unbelievable. What a low life piece of scum. Instead of stepping up and admitting that he is wrong, he decides to make threats claiming he will sue?
After what people have sent me links to I will never deal with Will moon again. It's sad that he tried the lawsuit threats against you. He doesn't have a chance in hell if you take it the civil route but I understand not wanting to deal with it. Immaturity is not an excuse, this is a character issue. I read his posts as friskydingo and multiple fake logins, the guy is lower than low and people need to be able to find reviews on him.
If he threatens you again with lawsuits I would be happy to recommended some attorneys that would counter use him until you own his shop.
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Yeah. I don't know if he has ever threatened anybody else. Reviews are a pretty common thing in the knife world. It wasn't my initial post on Instagram that was all that negative but people did pile on. Having a ghost account and threatening to sue people surely isn't the way to turn your name around.
But to be fair all of this is my fault. Just ask Will
Accountability will continue to be a foreign concept it seems.
Did you miss my post, or should I issue a reminder?
Did you miss my post, or should I issue a reminder?
Someone asked me in a PM to make the connection from FriskyDingo to Will Moon. I am sure there are others that have better info, but I will give the reasoning behind my arrival at the conclusion that the two are the same. These are the similarities: both live in NC, both are 'poor students', both customize knives, both flip knives, both have a sanctimonious attitude, both display strong signs of classic narcissism, both have used ghost accounts to defend themselves.... Aside from those similarities, I was told by several trusted buddies that they are one and the same.
Yes, highly recommended to read about will's incrediblely innovating stop pin design that he stole from Todd Begg over at the red forum. Amazing to read through the Orion thread and see how it changes from 'wow, you are amazing' for 20 pages to 'this guys is a liar and narcissus'
Oh his brain is not fully formed, there's no question!
A cease and desist order and lawsuit for an Instagram post, heh good one! Taking people's money through an established business and not delivering promised goods or services is what should be worrying him. Not to mention the lies concerning the mail service.
Wills client list if falling off because his actions are coming to light and he's making it worse with more childish behavior. I have no sympathy for the guy and if he never sells another knife it's completely his own fault. Me, me, me, when problems arise who does dingo think about? Himself and his lost profits, no concern for the customers he's deceived.
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I don't know about that but I know the Will Moon has been banned on a lot of other forums. Some of the confirmed stuff I read is outrageous and I seriously regret getting a knife from him. Right now I want to sell the knife but i would have issues with selling someone the knife for what i paid $900. Quite frankly its not worth that, its a $500 knife max. I wouldn't feel right asking for what I want and i'm not going to eat a $400 loss, i'll just keep it.
Going back to Mr. Moon has the worst rep and for just cause.
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From Will's instagrm account on 4/28/2014
I included his whole post, but I think that the second paragraph is more in context with the issue at hand.
"wmoonknives Hello folks, as many of you may know, I work closely with my father when I build my knives. We have an excellent working relationship and have really bonded over knife making; he’s a superb machinist and helps me out with some of the more complicated milling and programming that I haven’t yet mastered. Beyond that my father is a tremendous source of inspiration and direction in my life, someone I’ve always been able to count on thru thick and thin. This weekend he was admitted to Rex hospital having suffered a severe heart attack, and is currently in the ICU. His prognosis is positive, but for most of the weekend he was touch and go. We had a near miss; had he have been admitted to the hospital just a few minutes later, we probably would have lost him. My father and I have been talking quite a bit while he’s been in the hospital. Firstly the bad news – I don’t want him working on knives until he feels absolutely recovered, so I’ll be down a man in the shop for the next couple of weeks. It’s not a total incapacitation, but my father is faster than I am on the mill and much better at running the CAM software than I am. I have two more Mk7s to finish up from this winter, I know I’m extremely late on getting these turned around, but I’m moving as fast as I can. After that I’ll be making some changes in my knife making business based on your feedback."
"wmoonknives That brings me to my second point. I have read many of the comments posted here on IG and on a few of the forums about me personally and about my business, some of them are constructive, others… not so much. That said, I spoke to my father about it, and he suggested that I need to eat a slice of humble pie. Forget about the business aspect of our relationship momentarily, I feel that I haven’t done my utmost to earn your respect, and if I don’t have that, I have nothing. Money has always been a secondary consideration to me; my goal is to live each day such that I will not become a lesser son of greater forefathers. To that end I have an apology to make, I’ve been arrogant, dismissive, lazy and disrespectful. I have made enemies of friends and mistreated my customers by not promptly returning emails, finishing builds quickly and taking on new orders while I was in the process of making others. I whole-heartedly agree this has to stop. There are a number of practical issues that I will be addressing shortly, substantial changes I’ll be making in my business going forward. My biggest fear is not the loss of my business, but that I may never get a chance to regain my honor and regain your respect. Things are dark in the Moon household right now, but if you’ll give me that chance to restore your faith in me, I’ll seize the opportunity with joy. Let me regain your respect, if there’s anything I can do to help you with one of my knives, please don’t hesitate to contact me. I’ll make further announcements with regards to the changes I’m making on my end when I get a chance, for now I’m going to work as hard as I can to get the last remaining Mk7 custom orders out, made to the best possible standards I can achieve, and we’ll go from there. Thank you all for your continued support, I truly appreciate it!"
For my own two cents I'll say that Will has always been very courteous with me, and gave allot of his time to help me design a particularly intense design. I've been collecting customs, directly from makers for a couple of years now, I understand hang ups, and miscommunication all too well. I happen to have a lax attitude to begin with, but dealing with makers has definitely made me appreciate art of waiting, and patience in general . I have found, in my personal experiences, that ease of communication varies greatly from maker to maker, as well as the fact that an individual knife maker's communication can wane from time to time. Part time makers at times can be especially difficult. Will has many emails for communication that aren't current. I have found success with email address on his website support.
I respect this forum, as I have found it a great portal of information that has helped me greatly in my collecting pursuits. I cannot validate or deny anyone's experiences with Will Moon. All I can say is that I have had a genuinely positive experience dealing with Will, and if their are any issues people have with his work he seems to be making an effort to make it right.
I included his whole post, but I think that the second paragraph is more in context with the issue at hand.
"wmoonknives Hello folks, as many of you may know, I work closely with my father when I build my knives. We have an excellent working relationship and have really bonded over knife making; he’s a superb machinist and helps me out with some of the more complicated milling and programming that I haven’t yet mastered. Beyond that my father is a tremendous source of inspiration and direction in my life, someone I’ve always been able to count on thru thick and thin. This weekend he was admitted to Rex hospital having suffered a severe heart attack, and is currently in the ICU. His prognosis is positive, but for most of the weekend he was touch and go. We had a near miss; had he have been admitted to the hospital just a few minutes later, we probably would have lost him. My father and I have been talking quite a bit while he’s been in the hospital. Firstly the bad news – I don’t want him working on knives until he feels absolutely recovered, so I’ll be down a man in the shop for the next couple of weeks. It’s not a total incapacitation, but my father is faster than I am on the mill and much better at running the CAM software than I am. I have two more Mk7s to finish up from this winter, I know I’m extremely late on getting these turned around, but I’m moving as fast as I can. After that I’ll be making some changes in my knife making business based on your feedback."
"wmoonknives That brings me to my second point. I have read many of the comments posted here on IG and on a few of the forums about me personally and about my business, some of them are constructive, others… not so much. That said, I spoke to my father about it, and he suggested that I need to eat a slice of humble pie. Forget about the business aspect of our relationship momentarily, I feel that I haven’t done my utmost to earn your respect, and if I don’t have that, I have nothing. Money has always been a secondary consideration to me; my goal is to live each day such that I will not become a lesser son of greater forefathers. To that end I have an apology to make, I’ve been arrogant, dismissive, lazy and disrespectful. I have made enemies of friends and mistreated my customers by not promptly returning emails, finishing builds quickly and taking on new orders while I was in the process of making others. I whole-heartedly agree this has to stop. There are a number of practical issues that I will be addressing shortly, substantial changes I’ll be making in my business going forward. My biggest fear is not the loss of my business, but that I may never get a chance to regain my honor and regain your respect. Things are dark in the Moon household right now, but if you’ll give me that chance to restore your faith in me, I’ll seize the opportunity with joy. Let me regain your respect, if there’s anything I can do to help you with one of my knives, please don’t hesitate to contact me. I’ll make further announcements with regards to the changes I’m making on my end when I get a chance, for now I’m going to work as hard as I can to get the last remaining Mk7 custom orders out, made to the best possible standards I can achieve, and we’ll go from there. Thank you all for your continued support, I truly appreciate it!"
For my own two cents I'll say that Will has always been very courteous with me, and gave allot of his time to help me design a particularly intense design. I've been collecting customs, directly from makers for a couple of years now, I understand hang ups, and miscommunication all too well. I happen to have a lax attitude to begin with, but dealing with makers has definitely made me appreciate art of waiting, and patience in general . I have found, in my personal experiences, that ease of communication varies greatly from maker to maker, as well as the fact that an individual knife maker's communication can wane from time to time. Part time makers at times can be especially difficult. Will has many emails for communication that aren't current. I have found success with email address on his website support.
I respect this forum, as I have found it a great portal of information that has helped me greatly in my collecting pursuits. I cannot validate or deny anyone's experiences with Will Moon. All I can say is that I have had a genuinely positive experience dealing with Will, and if their are any issues people have with his work he seems to be making an effort to make it right.
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