This is the one I want. Very nice.
HatiOn Lite. Love this knife! You barely see the blue fibers in the carbon scales. But they are there
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The Bears' Den--Shirogorov Showcase
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marchone
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HatiOn Lite. Love this knife! You barely see the blue fibers in the carbon scales. But they are there
[/QUOTE]My HatiOn Lite bumped everything else I had for every day carry. It's prompting me to sell a half dozen great folders I don't use anymore. But any Neon variant will do. They're dandy little knives.
One of these days I'm going to send it to Josh @ REK to DLC the framelock and hardware.
The HatiOn Lite puts a smile on my face every time I put it in my pocket. But sometimes it feels a bit too lightweight . (Could a knife be too lightweight?) What would be a good brother for the HatiOn Lite?
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Research the weights of all of the NeOn variants. Early ones I’ve seen had no, or little, internal milling.
Beyond that I’m very happy with my Anso Neo.
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knoefz
, as you felt my earlier RDD disassembly never occurred due to an absence of pics, I made sure to document this morning's opening.The good Dr's clip had some lateral play in it, shifting up and down slightly over the Mayo hole. Its base sits in a milled out recess at the butt of the lockside slab and is held in place by a single interior PacMan screw.
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had sent me the original hardware that he had replaced and I measured the extra clip screw to see if it might be shorter, thinking the issue might be caused by bottoming out in the clip. The installed replacement screw was actually .016 mm shorter, so I tightened it down as much as I dared without positive result. I ended up using an old suggestion from @anvil_den for a lightweight thread-locker and painted the clip recess with clear nail polish which seems to have done the trick.Here's a few pics I took along the way....
...including another hole-y knife that seemed the most appropriate piece to have along as I worked...
...and after I finished.
This is me. Looked at Recon 1 and they only have green and orange fiber.
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The good Dr's clip had some lateral play in it, shifting up and down slightly over the Mayo hole. Its base sits in a milled out recess at the butt of the lockside slab and is held in place by a single interior PacMan screw.
Here's a few pics I took along the way....
...including another hole-y knife that seemed the most appropriate piece to have along as I worked...
...and after I finished.
Thanks for those pics buddy, really enjoy them.
Such knan amazing knife!
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Trust me when I tell you can’t see it. Seriously.
I have the green one and I had to go look at the COA to verify it’s color.
Other than that ... it’s black.
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A couple of pictures of the fam (as of now). When I got into this hobby I never thought I'd own a Shiro, and now there are three! 
mikomonday
I'm glad I read your post on the kickstop flipper. It opens well and with authority, but the finger definitely has to be in just the right position to get it to move.
mikomonday
I'm glad I read your post on the kickstop flipper. It opens well and with authority, but the finger definitely has to be in just the right position to get it to move. 
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Unfortunately M390 was just outselling Vanax. For what it's worth Vanax is a nitrogen version of Elmax and M390 beats it out in edge retention and most other properties besides Vanax's extreme corrosion resistance. The Vanax blades usually had extract cuts as well on the blade spine which I thought were cool.
Hey, totally missed this. PM me YOUR address as well and I'll trade you for something Shirogorov related!
I've made a (very) long video detailing some of the finer points of the 110KS, feel free to watch if you guys would like to burn some time! I do these in one take so sometimes it can be a bit slow
and here's a picture inside the KS
Thanks for that answer. M390 is a great steel, no doubt. But it is barely superior to Elmax for edge retention: In CATRA tests M390 got 958.6 cuts vs 930.7 cuts for Elmax. And at a point higher Rc, Elmax has better edge retention. In addition, Elmax is considerably tougher than M390.
My impression is that Vanax is a bit better than Elmax for edge wear, but I can't find numbers. Vanax has 3.5 percent Vanadium, vs 3.0 percent for Elmax. And Vanax is tougher than even Elmax, up to 25 percent more according to the maker.
So I thought the super fine and long-wearing edge that Vanax gives, the toughness and the incredible stain resistance would make it a big winner for Shirogorov. I'm sad it wasn't. Fortunately, I have a Vanax 37 111.
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You should really check out Cultrotech and Yanhook/Denis Frolov to really see how far steels can be tested based on optimized heat/cryo treats + edge geometries. Here are the results of various knives being used done indepedently by Ruslan Kiyasov. I highly recommend his youtube channel, there are english reviews uploaded from time to time.
https://kiyasov.com/youtube/results/ (can google translate to english)
https://www.youtube.com/user/RuslanKiyasov
While many are shown with varying levels of complexity for the heat/cryo treat, it goes to show that M390 can be taken much further than Elmax. However you are right, Elmax is no slouch and properly treated/ground, you can see how even Spyderco's S110V is really no match to properly treated Elmax in the Comrade (a 600 dollar budget production knife from Cultro)
Conincidentally, Ruslan has tested a Russian Dr. Death CF Version (Vanax 37) a Hati in S30V and a Tabargan in M390 and these are the results:
Широгоров РДСк Vanax37 1570 Cuts
Широгоров Табарган M390 2260 Cuts
Широгоров ХАТИ CPM S30V 2440 Cuts
According to the Shirogorov site, it seems they follow the recommended HRC values prescribed by Bohler and run Elmax/Vanax at 59-60 and M390 at 60-62
https://www.shirogorov.com/pages/materialy/
So these results are to be expected to be honest.
On an aside, I had a really interesting talk with Valentin of Cultrotech about how these huge production shops are putting out these high end supersteels but improperly finishing them to cut down on production time and cost. People are buying them up (myself included, I wanted the blurple PM2 just because it was S110V) but really when it comes down to it, you really are just paying for the name of the steel and it's a shame that the material won't live up to its true potential.
Yes but given how the workshop wants to position the knives and based on how most people are using the folders, it makes sense that for most people, edge retention followed by corrosion resistance, then toughness would be prioritized. the 4% vanadium in M390 gives it that extra edge.
I think now that it's discontinued people are taking a look at Vanax and it is rising in popularity again. Personally I liked the steel for it being unique and the extreme corrosion resistance early on when the revised series of knives came out and I too preferred Vanax over M390. They'll be quite rare going on now unfortunately.
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