The Bears' Den--Shirogorov Showcase

[ChazzyP]

I just checked my 95T against my G10 Hati, jbustillo . The Turtle weighs in at just slightly over 5 oz while the Hati comes in at about 4.25. Both knives have substantial lanyards and beads, so I tried my best to support those off-scale to get accurate reads. The Hati is actually the tiniest bit thicker than the T at about .51" to .48--about 1/32".

The weight difference is noticeable in hand, though not so much in pocket. If one wore very light slacks or shorts it might be. Both those two of mine are the older versions, so the T runs on SRBS and the Hati on washers. The Turtle is a snappier flipper and drop-shutty while the Hati is more subdued opening and shakes closed with a medium effort, though the latter's closing action might be affected by greater lockbar pressure. Hard to say. I bought the Hati on the Exchange and spent some time tuning its action. The T has not been opened. It's funny, as the Turtle has been called the "Sebenza of flippers" but I find the action of the Hati to be much more CRK-hydraulic. I like having the different feels of the two knives.

The new Hatis, like the rest of the serial knives have been "renewed" and have the R designation. All the serial knives now run on MRBS. I find in my lot that my SRBS have a freer feel to their action while the MRBS are smoother. I've not had all of mine apart for tuning, however.

 

[knoefz]

Thirsty today

 

[ChazzyP]

Nice pic, knoefz . It's still around 11AM here on the US East Coast, but our time difference lends approximate credence to that old maxim, "Well, it's 5 o'clock somewhere." Of course, it's 4th of July here, so no doubt many Americans have started their celebrations early.

Nice SB edition NeOn, BTW!

 

[knoefz]

Nice pic, knoefz . It's still around 11AM here on the US East Coast, but our time difference lends approximate credence to that old maxim, "Well, it's 5 o'clock somewhere." Of course, it's 4th of July here, so no doubt many Americans have started their celebrations early.

Nice SB edition NeOn, BTW!

It was just 15.00h but not working today and it's sunny, warm, came back from a swim with the dog...
No more excuses needed for a nice cold beer

This SB NeOn is #1 / 30, very precious to me.

Cheers to your 4th of july

 

[Sunyata]

 

[TRfromMT]

Hello all,
New to Shirogorov knives. Is there somewhere to go to see what distinguishes 3 Bears variants from standard Shiro's? Will the COA card itself distinguish if a knife is a 3 Bears?

Specifically, I want to confirm if an F95T in Vanax 37, dark blue ano, mrbs, is or is not a 3 Bears.

In other words, did this configuration come in both 3 Bears and standard versions, or does the configuration itself make it a 3 bears?

Thanks in advance.
TR

 

[ChazzyP]

It was just 15.00h but not working today and it's sunny, warm, came back from a swim with the dog...
No more excuses needed for a nice cold beer

This SB NeOn is #1 / 30, very precious to me.

Cheers to your 4th of july

No excuses required, brother! Thanks for the well-wishes and I hope your day continues to be outstanding!

 

[Ajack60]

Hello all,
New to Shirogorov knives. Is there somewhere to go to see what distinguishes 3 Bears variants from standard Shiro's? Will the COA card itself distinguish if a knife is a 3 Bears?

Specifically, I want to confirm if an F95T in Vanax 37, dark blue ano, mrbs, is or is not a 3 Bears.

In other words, did this configuration come in both 3 Bears and standard versions, or does the configuration itself make it a 3 bears?

Thanks in advance.
TR

Go back and read post #804 and the next few posts.

 

[ChazzyP]

Hello all,
New to Shirogorov knives. Is there somewhere to go to see what distinguishes 3 Bears variants from standard Shiro's? Will the COA card itself distinguish if a knife is a 3 Bears?

Specifically, I want to confirm if an F95T in Vanax 37, dark blue ano, mrbs, is or is not a 3 Bears.

In other words, did this configuration come in both 3 Bears and standard versions, or does the configuration itself make it a 3 bears?

Thanks in advance.
TR

There's a fair amount of murkiness involved here.

I was recently told on the Shiro Facebook page that the only authorized international Shiro dealer which is here in the States told someone inquiring that "there is no bears classification system in the USA". I took that to mean that there is no COA that identifies any knife as a 3 Bears even though some might presume that a particular knife would indeed be considered a 3 Bears in Russia. Indeed the dealer's site does not list any 3 Bears knives and their COAs are the standard looking black cards with a single Bear logo at the bottom.

Since the F series knives have been "renewed" and carry the R designation, their features now include those that might have distinguished 3 Bears editions in the past.

My 3 Bears F95R was sourced from Russia and came with a white, folding, horizontally oriented COA with three Bear logos on the bottom. The one feature that my knife has not found on regular serial production knives (at least to my knowledge), aside from its COA designation, is its 3.5mm blade stock--thinner than the standard 4mm stock of most F3 and F95 models.

PM me and I can send you a link to a thread elsewhere that may or may not help.

 

[TRfromMT]

Go back and read post #804 and the next few posts.

Thanks. That series is what prompted the question, actually. I am perfectly at ease with this being ambiguous. I will be happy with my new knife, either way.

 

[ChazzyP]

Thanks. That series is what prompted the question, actually. I am perfectly at ease with this being ambiguous. I will be happy with my new knife, either way.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't be happy with it. The F95 series is great and the new features of the R series make great knives even greater. Make sure to share some pics and impressions with us when your new knife arrives .

 

[Steve1950]

Thank you for this thread. I do not own a Shirogorov, but I find this thread to be enjoyable and informative. There is always something new to learn.

Steve

 

[ChazzyP]

Thank you for this thread. I do not own a Shirogorov, but I find this thread to be enjoyable and informative. There is always something new to learn.

Steve

Thanks for the kind words, Steve. Much appreciated. Careful, though--hang around long enough and we'll get ya' eventually.
--CP

 

[jbustillo]

I just checked my 95T against my G10 Hati, jbustillo . The Turtle weighs in at just slightly over 5 oz while the Hati comes in at about 4.25. Both knives have substantial lanyards and beads, so I tried my best to support those off-scale to get accurate reads. The Hati is actually the tiniest bit thicker than the T at about .51" to .48--about 1/32".

The weight difference is noticeable in hand, though not so much in pocket. If one wore very light slacks or shorts it might be. Both those two of mine are the older versions, so the T runs on SRBS and the Hati on washers. The Turtle is a snappier flipper and drop-shutty while the Hati is more subdued opening and shakes closed with a medium effort, though the latter's closing action might be affected by greater lockbar pressure. Hard to say. I bought the Hati on the Exchange and spent some time tuning its action. The T has not been opened. It's funny, as the Turtle has been called the "Sebenza of flippers" but I find the action of the Hati to be much more CRK-hydraulic. I like having the different feels of the two knives.

The new Hatis, like the rest of the serial knives have been "renewed" and have the R designation. All the serial knives now run on MRBS. I find in my lot that my SRBS have a freer feel to their action while the MRBS are smoother. I've not had all of mine apart for tuning, however.

Thanks for the info ChazzyP , I think I will put a Haiti on my bucket. Will try to add to my collection this year!

 

[alude904]

So is it just me or does anyone else feel that in terms of craftmanship or even manufacturing, the Production F3R should cost more than the production F95R? Perhaps the slightly more titanium or milling of it is what drives up the price of the F95R? But i mean, the F3R still has titanium liners that require almost the same milling. The F3R also has the ti back spacer versus one standoff so... then throw in the milling of a second material which is a whole other machining process. Idk, just thinking out loud. I have my ME Frag 95 then I have my F3R and i just think my F3R is more of a looker and manufacturing feat.

 

[CPP]

I agree but don's mind how the prices have worked out as I prefer linerlocks to framelocks. I always saw linerlocks as a step above framelocks in terms of grip, aesthetics and craftsmanship. The titanium of the F95 is at least twice as thick as the liners on the F3 and the external milling on the F95s looks pretty intricate. But what do I know, I've never made a knife...

 

[ChazzyP]

So is it just me or does anyone else feel that in terms of craftmanship or even manufacturing, the Production F3R should cost more than the production F95R? Perhaps the slightly more titanium or milling of it is what drives up the price of the F95R? But i mean, the F3R still has titanium liners that require almost the same milling. The F3R also has the ti back spacer versus one standoff so... then throw in the milling of a second material which is a whole other machining process. Idk, just thinking out loud. I have my ME Frag 95 then I have my F3R and i just think my F3R is more of a looker and manufacturing feat.

That's an interesting point re the pricing on those two models. The cost of the extra Ti is probably significant, however, considering the difference between the all-Ti Hinderers, say, and their G10-one-side brethren--even with a thin slab of Ti under the G10 scale. As CPP stated, the external patterns on the F95s are pretty intricate as well, not to mention the complex weight-reducing internal milling on the Rs.

If you're still bothered by the price discrepancy, I'll gladly send you my PP addy so you can help offset the extra cost of my F95T and F95R. F&F, if you don't mind.

 

[ChazzyP]

I just searched F3R again and found a Russian image of one disassembled showing internal milling on the Ti slabs. Regarding my point about the extra work in the inside of the 95s--never mind....

Edit: Also found one of Vlads Blades vids showing the internal milling on the F3R.

 

[CPP]

I'll never complain about linerlocks being less expensive than framelocks though!

 

[ChazzyP]

I know what you guys are talkin' about with Shiro linerlocks, CPP and alude904 . Maybe my 111 isn't technically a linerlock, as it's basically linerless, and it wasn't exactly cheap either, but there's something really special going' on with these particular Bears.