The Ganzo G8012 Fixed Blade Review

[Fanglekai]

Ignoring everything but the knife, it looks fugly and I doubt the steel is great. I'd rather get a Mora or a Becker.

 

[Sergeua]

Who else does this again?
Plz.... quit defending this company they are not trying to hide it. Buy what you like.
The originality of the subject in question got debunked once again.
Final court decision.

Btw the review is so I'm going to help it out.

 

[trevitrace]

Ignoring everything but the knife, it looks fugly and I doubt the steel is great. I'd rather get a Mora or a Becker.

Are you suggesting a company that rips off others' designs would be anything but forthcoming about what steel they use in their knifes?

Preposterous assertion.

 

[AtechReviews]

To my eyes, this Ganzo looks like a copy or a mix between the Gerber BG knife and its previous incarnation, the non "Pro" version, which featured that full length tang. It makes me wonder if Gerber contracted the same factory in China to produce their BG knife as Ganzo uses for this knife.

Granted, the Gerber has more of a point and the Ganzo puts a strap-cutter on their sheath, and the grind on the Ganzo is higher. I would suspect that the quality is roughly the same for both the Gerber and the Ganzo.

All of the haters jumped on the boat too soon (bet didn't even read the post).
The knives are similar in many ways, but the Ganzo isn't a 1:1 clone, has different grind, solutions and features.
I am convinced those are in fact made in the same factory in China and from the same materials, but Ganzo is sold for half of the price of the Gerber.
BTW - please tell me more about how the American companies fight the clones when they order their knives to be made in the same factories that make the said "clones".

 

[Mistwalker]

The gerber is a far better knife in almost every way. It at least has a pointy end. Plus, Gerber isn't a crap clone company like ganzo. Nuff said.

You do have to give these Chinese companies some credit in the intellect dept., even if they don't have any morals or scruples. They are not only smart enough to use undisclosed BS steels and questionable heat treats most of the time, so they either won't hold an edge or will break easy, on the crap knives they are flooding the world market with... but now that are also making the "pointy ends" non-pointy enough to not penetrate...much of anything from the looks of it. So...not much chance of them being effectively turned on them should the day ever come that they up their game and take their questionable global domination goals outside the realms of Wall Street and NASDAQ.

That said, considering the level of traffic we are helping generate for these counterfeit supporters, I wish I were a mod so I could at least edit the title to reflect the truth. I'm glad the posts immediately following the "review" reflect more truth than the review. Hopefully enough of the readers will be curious enough to read further and find out that it is in fact, as most of us would expect at this point, nowhere near an original idea for this company, but just another counterfeit and even worse this time, it's a lower cost counterfeit of an already low quality knife... hard not to laugh...darkly and grimly... at the irony of that...

 

[AtechReviews]

Lost me at

questionable global domination goals outside the realms of Wall Street and NASDAQ.

Definitely wouldn't call this knife a counterfeit though.

 

[GermanyChris]

This thread started out well enough then took a turn for the worse when the OP got all emotional and defensive. Even if this knife wasn't a Ganzo it would be a bad survival knife because it doesn't have a tip, my Nyala would also be a terrible survival knife for the exact same reason.

The knife would be fine for the back yard cutting vines and cleaning up dead fall but it's not a survival knife and I don't need to hold it or use it to know that.

 

[Hackenslash]

I have looked pretty deeply into this, and Ganzo holds well over 100 patents both in design, and in manufacturing processes.
Look into exactly who owns the "Axis Lock"...
You'll be shocked!
https://www.google.com/patents/US5737841

Ok, most of your post was too garbage to bother addressing but I have to call you out on the dumbest thing you posted...

It's common knowledge among us knife knuts that Benchmade licenses the Axis lock from McHenry and Williams. You've heard of those dudes, haven't you? They're kind of a "thing" in the knife world. They've designed one or two...Maybe you need to go back and look a little more deeply at the patents you claim to have so much knowledge of...

 

[Hackenslash]

Lost me at

Definitely wouldn't call this knife a counterfeit though.

I don't think anyone is calling it counterfeit either. You continue to miss the point. You're supporting a company built upon design theft and cloning. Does the fact that Ganzo doesn't actually make "counterfeits" somehow redeem them?

That's like a murderer saying "I was going to kill 7 people today but stopped at 4. I've actually been quite well behaved".

There are a few people making the same lame arguments to support cloners in this thread but at the end of the day those arguments hold no water against the simple truth that stealing is wrong. We all learned that in kindergarten.

Well, apparently not all of us...

 

[Mo2]

I am convinced those are in fact made in the same factory in China and from the same materials

So they could care less about performance and more about selling because they want to make the same product so people will buy it so they can profit.

 

[Mo2]

Spydee owns a patent on a hole? Brilliant!

The patent isn't for a hole it's for opening a blade in a certain way. I don't have the exact wording. But the hole is significant because they were the first to do it, its design means its a Spyderco. Sal worked with benchmade and they licensed it for the grips. Taking a hole and putting it in any other brand is just trying to make sales based off of spyderco design.

 

[Armadew]

And it's not a patent, it's a trademark.

 

[craytab]

Awww, it even has the same little flame symbol on the blade.

Simply amazing people would defend that. Same freaking logo!

 

[Zombie411]

Ok, most of your post was too garbage to bother addressing but I have to call you out on the dumbest thing you posted...

It's common knowledge among us knife knuts that Benchmade licenses the Axis lock from McHenry and Williams. You've heard of those dudes, haven't you? They're kind of a "thing" in the knife world. They've designed one or two...Maybe you need to go back and look a little more deeply at the patents you claim to have so much knowledge of...

McHenrey/Williams...
Exactly my point sir.
Not Benchmade as a company

This is a common denominator in the business world. Licensing.
Ganzo as a corporation owns most of it's designs because they designed, and patented them in house.
They are not a sweat shop producing counterfeit knives. They are producing knives for brands, as well as their own products.

On topic... The rounded nose of the Ganzo survival knife may well be an innovation. Depending on how you look at it....
No tip to easily break off, and I'm sure you can drill a hole with it. Look back at one of the most highly prized military designs.

How many lives would you guess this knife saved or prolonged.
I see no drilling tip on this either.

I'm only stating that the makers of knives are making knives. no one here KNOWS what steel is used or not used, and no one here KNOWS what brands/styles Ganzo is licensed to make.

For all we know every knife they have produced may be legit. If not PROVE IT! Please.

 

[craytab]

McHenrey/Williams...
Exactly my point sir.
Not Benchmade as a company

This is a common denominator in the business world. Licensing.
Ganzo as a corporation owns most of it's designs because they designed, and patented them in house.
They are not a sweat shop producing counterfeit knives. They are producing knives for brands, as well as their own products.

On topic... The rounded nose of the Ganzo survival knife may well be an innovation. Depending on how you look at it....
No tip to easily break off, and I'm sure you can drill a hole with it. Look back at one of the most highly prized military designs.

How many lives would you guess this knife saved or prolonged.
I see no drilling tip on this either.

I'm only stating that the makers of knives are making knives. no one here KNOWS what steel is used or not used, and no one here KNOWS what brands/styles Ganzo is licensed to make.

For all we know every knife they have produced may be legit. If not PROVE IT! Please.

Let's see all these ganzo patents you speak of. We need links.

 

[Mo2]

For all we know every knife they have produced may be legit. If not PROVE IT! Please.

They did not design the benchmade 940 yet they copied it. They did not design protec designs yet they copied it. Please tell me more about how you think they are legit.

 

[Hackenslash]

McHenrey/Williams...
Exactly my point sir.
Not Benchmade as a company

This is a common denominator in the business world. Licensing.
Ganzo as a corporation owns most of it's designs because they designed, and patented them in house.
They are not a sweat shop producing counterfeit knives. They are producing knives for brands, as well as their own products.

On topic... The rounded nose of the Ganzo survival knife may well be an innovation. Depending on how you look at it....
No tip to easily break off, and I'm sure you can drill a hole with it. Look back at one of the most highly prized military designs.



How many lives would you guess this knife saved or prolonged.
I see no drilling tip on this either.

I'm only stating that the makers of knives are making knives. no one here KNOWS what steel is used or not used, and no one here KNOWS what brands/styles Ganzo is licensed to make.

For all we know every knife they have produced may be legit. If not PROVE IT! Please.

You are beyond help. I don't need to prove that the Ganzo aren't legit because they arrived long after the knives they copied. The proof is self-evident. You're the one claiming that these clones are patented, original designs by Ganzo. That's the claim that needs to be supported, not the one borne upon common sense and the calendar.

So go ahead. Let's see proof that the Ganzos came first and Benchmade, Spyderco, Ontario, LionSteel et. al copied from them! Please, I'm awaiting proof of these Ganzo patents and original designs.

You really need to read more and post less. The inaccuracies you're spouting might be taken as truth and that can be truly damaging.

I have to commend you. You've posed the most ludicrous argument in favor of clones and counterfeits I've ever seen. Well done!

 

[Zombie411]

So they could care less about performance and more about selling because they want to make the same product so people will buy it so they can profit.[/QUOTE]

How many crap cars have Chrysler, Ford, and GM made in the name of "profit"?

The patent isn't for a hole it's for opening a blade in a certain way. I don't have the exact wording. But the hole is significant because they were the first to do it, its design means its a Spyderco. Sal worked with benchmade and they licensed it for the grips. Taking a hole and putting it in any other brand is just trying to make sales based off of spyderco design.

Thank you for setting this straight. I would have to say that putting G10 or Micarta handles on any knife after the first one is ripping off the idea. Clip point? ripp off, Tanto ripp off.

And it's not a patent, it's a trademark.

That is the thought I have had all along.

I don't like companies that steal ideas but it is a fact of modern life that American companies are just as guilty (not all of course).
Make a great new flavor of soda, trademark a square can for easier packaging, and in 5 years all cans are square.

Put a hole in a blade to make it fire faster, and become part of the locking design... Spydee does not use axis locks...

Cherry coke/Dr. Pepper/Mr Pibb /Coke/Pepsi... Free enterprise! all the same.

 

[danbot]

After researching this knife more on the internet I have changed my opinion. I no longer think this is a crappy survival knife. I now think this is a totally crappy survival knife!

The "striker/hammer" that you mentioned in your review is listed in the specs as "Soldered glass breaker is designed for breaking glass, no other hard materials, like iron, steel, etc."

Blade steel is 7Cr17Mov. which is modified 440A. Not a great value for the money IMO.

Doesn't come with the ferro rod, so that really can't be included as a value for money feature. And in your review you state "The included ferro rod gives out good sparks and I reckon will be enough to make a fire in the outdoors." That doesn't exactly inspire confidence!

That's enough red flags for me. If I am considering buying a "survival" knife, price is not the first and foremost consideration.

Please take this as its meant... constructive criticism.

 

[Zombie411]

You're the one claiming that these clones are patented, original designs by Ganzo. That's the claim that needs to be supported, not the one borne upon common sense and the calendar.

No sir.
I am not claiming that. Ganzo does make copies but that is not their sole business. That may have been their worst move as a company. 100% agree.

My case is they have their own designs, and produce them as well.
The OP's knife is an example.

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