THE Hollow Handle Knife Thread

Well there you have it, the challenges of trying to communicate via the written word on a forum. All is good from my point of view, certainly no hard feelings and believe me, I totally understand not pleasing everybody. After all, I make hollow handle knives and get some of the most insane emails on a regular basis about how stupid they are.

Carry on, and please do not get the idea that I didn't want any criticism of the video at all. I just didn't agree with some of what you were saying, and thought it seemed a little heavy-handed. Regardless, please carry on and please continue to comment on the thread. You certainly have experience in this area and can make valuable contributions.

ETA: No need for apologies, I have probably been a little fired up the last couple of days in this thread. I am so used to people constantly taking digs at these knives I don't have much tolerance for it and let things rip sometimes without adding a little tact.

You are one of a few people in the world who make these type of knives, and definitely have used them, therefore have valuable input in the thread. My apologies if I came off a little hot.

Sam :thumbup:
 
I can assure you that it wasn't a case of daddy not liking criticism. My take on it was that Mr. Knapp was denigrating the "lengths some people go to justify" hollow handles but yet had gone to some fairly extensive lengths to demonstrate the strength of his design in prior posts. The tube gauze comment led me to believe that he did not understand how tube gauze is applied to create a pressure type dressing for a finger injury such as a laceration. Not easy unless you have an applicator to apply the appropriate torque. Additionally, a good length of tube gauze fits in the handle and makes an excellent fire starting source among other things.

We also did a portion using the handle and a wire saw to remove a ring from a finger without traumatizing the tissue, making a spear point by crushing rock with the pommel then using the sharpening rod to shape the stone, and created a tool for punching holes in bamboo with the cap. Video was already long to start with so was not included.

My son hasn't watched that many Youtube videos so he does his own thing vs. being a mimic. Had the criticism only been about playing the banjer in a Deliverance homage, I would not have posted.

Carry on...
 
Maybe a change of pace for moment. Here is video about survival knives, snares (multiple types), firestarting, and making field expedient eating tools. Mark, feel free to tear into this one, it's ripe for improvement lol. :D

[video=youtube_share;NPG0DTQRhwA]http://youtu.be/NPG0DTQRhwA[/video]

Sam :thumbup:
 
Sam Wilson said:
Maybe a change of pace for moment. Here is video about survival knives, snares (multiple types), firestarting, and making field expedient eating tools. Mark, feel free to tear into this one, it's ripe for improvement lol. :D

[video=youtube_share;NPG0DTQRhwA]http://youtu.be/NPG0DTQRhwA[/video]

Sam :thumbup:
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I'm going to take a break for a while. My wife says I come off as too much of a know-it-all sometimes, but then, what does she know?:D I'm going ice fishing, talk to you guys later.:D
 
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Mark Knapp said:
I'm going to take a break for a while. My wife says I come off as too much of a know-it-all sometimes, but then, what does she know?:D I'm going ice fishing, talk to you guys later.:D
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Don't let her get you down Mark, you sure showed that 11 year old who's boss, that's gotta be worth something right? :p Lol, just messing with you, I probably opened my mouth more than I should have in the last page or two myself. Maybe time for me to take a break also. :)

Sam :thumbup:
 
Sam Wilson said:
Don't let her get you down Mark, you sure showed that 11 year old who's boss, that's gotta be worth something right? :p Lol, just messing with you, I probably opened my mouth more than I should have in the last page or two myself. Maybe time for me to take a break also. :)

Sam :thumbup:
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Well, she doesn't really know about this thread, it's something she always says. Later
 
He played with various designs. Adding the slots like that would apparently serve multiple purposes and he would get feedback from some of the military guys that bought them to get a better indication of what was practical and what wasn't. He put the slots in there as something you could tie off to if needed to make it onto the tip of some kind of spear but tried to keep the edges as square as possible because some of the guys reported that it was useful for shearing wire such as barbed wire or fencing (stick it in the slot, rotate the whole knife to shear it off on the corners of the slot)
I'd imagine you might be able to use it as a prying/bending slot also.

Scott Webster Wood

TAH said:
I believe the guard slots are meant to be used with the wrist thong for a very secure grip. Here are some additional photos.
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treii28 said:
He played with various designs. Adding the slots like that would apparently serve multiple purposes and he would get feedback from some of the military guys that bought them to get a better indication of what was practical and what wasn't. He put the slots in there as something you could tie off to if needed to make it onto the tip of some kind of spear but tried to keep the edges as square as possible because some of the guys reported that it was useful for shearing wire such as barbed wire or fencing (stick it in the slot, rotate the whole knife to shear it off on the corners of the slot)
I'd imagine you might be able to use it as a prying/bending slot also.

Scott Webster Wood
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This is great information, Scott. Thank you for setting the record straight. Your father's hollow handle survival knife is one of the 80's best. Always liked his design.

Welcome to the forums. :thumbup:
 
Sam Wilson said:
Maybe a change of pace for moment. Here is video about survival knives, snares (multiple types), firestarting, and making field expedient eating tools. Mark, feel free to tear into this one, it's ripe for improvement lol. :D

[video=youtube_share;NPG0DTQRhwA]http://youtu.be/NPG0DTQRhwA[/video]

Sam :thumbup:
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OK, I'm back. I don't really know what to say about this video, was he making fun of Bear Grylls or survival enthusiasts or both? I guess I take things more seriously than that.

Here's one of the rainbows I caught.

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Almost watched it, but my ADHD must have kicked in.
38 second black screen intro. killed it.
Watched a Hickock45 video instead :-)
 
Sam Wilson said:
Don't let her get you down Mark, you sure showed that 11 year old who's boss, that's gotta be worth something right? :p Lol, just messing with you, I probably opened my mouth more than I should have in the last page or two myself. Maybe time for me to take a break also. :)

Sam :thumbup:
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I know you said you were just messing with me but I just couldn't let it go:D. Remember, all my comments were directed at you two adults, not the boy. I don't know who's idea it was to put the gauze segment in there, it's kind of a sophisticated thing for an 11 year old to come up with himself. He may have, he's an unusual boy. That, having been said, If I see a young lad making a mistake I am just as likely to let him know too.

If he had asked me to explain what I meant buy my comments I would have asked him to consider these things;

1. The gauze is sterile when you get it, you need a sterile dressing. Neither the inside nor the outside of the handle are sterile and are near impossible to sterilize.

2. Use of the handle as an applicator make it near impossible to apply a disinfectant or an anti-biotic to the finger and not make it in-effective by the use of the handle.

3. The handle has threads and a somewhat sharp shoulder in it where the threads end. I can't help but wonder how irritating that might be to a severely wounded finger when it is inserted and especially when the knife is twisted around the finger.

4. The gauze does not slide on or off the handle like it would if it was a smooth plastic tube making the jostling of the knife even worse when trying to apply the gauze.

He seems to be a mature young fellow and I would address him as one. If he wants to continue making videos, he would need to be willing to take constructive criticism or discuss his videos maturely.

Like I said, both the knife and the video do a lot of things extremely well but I personally do not count the tube gauze applicator as one of them.

For all it's worth, that's my opinion. Just an opinion, no offense is meant by it.
 
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Sam Wilson said:
Maybe a change of pace for moment. Here is video about survival knives, snares (multiple types), firestarting, and making field expedient eating tools. Mark, feel free to tear into this one, it's ripe for improvement lol. :D

[video=youtube_share;NPG0DTQRhwA]http://youtu.be/NPG0DTQRhwA[/video]

Sam :thumbup:
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The video says: "I've never understood why food is emphasized when it is at the bottom of short-term survival priorities".

I agree, and I'll even add that eating crappy bush-scrounged food when you are not truly desperate will likely cause indigestion and induce vomiting, meaning a net loss of calories...: I see my cats do this mistake all the time, when they nibble at plants, and then the hard leaves prove hard to swallow, their presence in the throat triggering the gag reflex... Many people think it's the cat food, but it's actually their tendency to nibble at shrubbery...

If anything you should be more picky, not less... I also know from the experience of a guy who spent a year in the woods that even some sizeable mammals are completely inedible, no matter what you do to them, including some beaver-sized creatures...

Gaston
 
Gaston444 said:
The video says: "I've never understood why food is emphasized when it is at the bottom of short-term survival priorities".

I agree, and I'll even add that eating crappy bush-scrounged food when you are not truly desperate will likely cause indigestion and induce vomiting, meaning a net loss of calories...: I see my cats do this mistake all the time, when they nibble at plants, and then the hard leaves prove hard to swallow, their presence in the throat triggering the gag reflex... Many people think it's the cat food, but it's actually their tendency to nibble at shrubbery...

If anything you should be more picky, not less... I also know from the experience of a guy who spent a year in the woods that even some sizeable mammals are completely inedible, no matter what you do to them, including some beaver-sized creatures...

Gaston
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You know cats eat grass and plants on purpose to make them throw up all sorts of stuff right? I thought this was common knowledge....
 
I didn't figure you would let it go, but the context of the scenario is the "survival" situation and hopefully the average Joe can figure that out. A person could break down each part of every video that is posted on the internet in this genre and say "well this will work or that will not." It appeared to me that you didn't quite understand how tube gauze can be applied in your initial comments but then backtracked to your other points.

Mark Knapp said:
I know you said you were just messing with me but I just couldn't let it go:D. Remember, all my comments were directed at you two adults, not the boy. I don't know who's idea it was to put the gauze segment in there, it's kind of a sophisticated thing for an 11 year old to come up with himself. He may have, he's an unusual boy. That, having been said, If I see a young lad making a mistake I am just as likely to let him know too.

What mistake was made? I know it is the internet and even posting is kind of a waste of time but feel free to be direct. There is no need to insinuate that my son doesn't have the intellectual capacity to create his own video. The tube gauze was certainly his idea because it had been used on him for a prior finger injury. We carry tube gauze because it works for a multitude of things and is effective when compared to the PJCB that most other people use. Anyone can do the math and figure out whether the tube will fit a finger but in this case it did effectively.

If he had asked me to explain what I meant buy my comments I would have asked him to consider these things;

1. The gauze is sterile when you get it, you need a sterile dressing. Neither the inside nor the outside of the handle are sterile and are near impossible to sterilize.

Would you rather have a wound protected or open to the elements? Again, the scenario is not based on conditions that are conducive to a clinical setting. Would you withhold applying a plastic bag to a sucking chest wound because you don't have a sterile seal? Once again, demonstrating the use of the system in a worst case scenario. I doubt you are going to find Wilson's knife on a shelf in the emergency department but it sure would be handy as a solo tool in the woods. Also, highly doubtful that zombies are real and you would make a Rambo spear either.

2. Use of the handle as an applicator make it near impossible to apply a disinfectant or an anti-biotic to the finger and not make it in-effective by the use of the handle.

Do you truly have evidenced based data to support applying an antibiotic to a non infected wound initially anyway? If so, what bacteria are you "protecting" the victim from, just curious? Doubtful you would have an antibiotic if you have to resort to ingenuity to survive but he usually has some in the 'survival banjo."

3. The handle has threads and a somewhat sharp shoulder in it where the threads end. I can't help but wonder how irritating that might be to a severely wounded finger when it is inserted and especially when the knife is twisted around the finger.

If the wound is at the metacarpophalangeal joint, then you wouldn't do this anyway, but the majority of the "twisting" occurs near this point.

4. The gauze does not slide on or off the handle like it would if it was a smooth plastic tube making the jostling of the knife even worse when trying to apply the gauze.

A plastic tube would be better obviously and an actual cage would be optimal, but surely you can see that the knife was not utilized to demonstrate best cast scenarios. What is next, should have used a sledge hammer to break the ice?

He seems to be a mature young fellow and I would address him as one. If he wants to continue making videos, he would need to be willing to take constructive criticism or discuss his videos maturely.

I am pretty sure he can discuss his video maturely even to those who do not understand the basics of the intent.

Like I said, both the knife and the video do a lot of things extremely well but I personally do not count the tube gauze applicator as one of them.

I wouldn't expect anyone to agree with everything in a video but would expect an honest person to just say hey, now I understand vs digging deeper to cover an initial misunderstanding but do appreciate that you could extrapolate some value. For the record, my son does not believe that batoning a knife is the key to survival. Just wanted to make that clear before it becomes an issue.

For all it's worth, that's my opinion. Just an opinion, no offense is meant by it.
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robgmn said:
Almost watched it, but my ADHD must have kicked in.
38 second black screen intro. killed it.
Watched a Hickock45 video instead :-)
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Understand that. Hickok is a good dude. My son is at a point where he wants to mention every one of the folks he respects in a video and I am fine with that. There are some fine people in this business. If people buy an album from Matt Barlow, a knife from Sam, Todd, Ethan, Andy, Dylan, ZT or Dan, strops from Flexxx, BBQ from Casey or training/knives from Jeff/Mike/EXPAT then that is outstanding. At some point I am sure if he continues doing videos, it will have to cease just for time's sake.

I am just happy that he loves the outdoors and prefers woods to TV.
 
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I didn't figure you would let it go, but the context of the scenario is the "survival" situation and hopefully the average Joe can figure that out. A person could break down each part of every video that is posted on the internet in this genre and say "well this will work or that will not." It appeared to me that you didn't quite understand how tube gauze can be applied in your initial comments but then backtracked to your other points.
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I believe it was a mistake to put the gauze segment into the video. I would rather have seen more of the arrow head making or other stuff you mentioned.

No 1. Wrap the gauze around the finger.

No 2. It's a good idea to put a dressing under the bandage, don't you agree. I don't think I need evidence. Whatever caused the wound is likely to introduce bacteria into it. The inside of the knife would most likely introduce more bacteria. I can't imagine how hard it might be to get the tube applied, compressed bandage off of the finger to change the dressing if no ointment was applied first, and blood was allowed to soak into the gauze and congeal there. I think that would hurt very much.

No 3. Not sure what you are asking me for here. I think it would be irritating to the wound if you put the knife handle around it and started twisting. Not to mention that it is not sterile in there.

No.4 The alternative would be to just wrap the gauze around the finger, that would have been the best practice. In survival, or life, we are always looking for best way to do something as opposed trying to think of as many ways as possible to use the knife.

I think you are probably right about his ability to talk about it maturely, but I'm not sure why you had to get snarky about it.

I'm not sure why you had to question my honesty, those that know me know that I am an honest person. Is that really your hang up, that I used the words "wrap around" instead of "slide on"? Weather the gauze is slid on or wrapped around is not the issue. Are you sure you didn't have more to do with the video than just holding the camera? You're making a pretty big deal out of it.

I stand by me original statement, in my opinion, the knife handle is not the best way to apply a bandage to a wounded finger.

Just my opinion.
 
Oh Mark, if only you had followed your wife's advice. Oh well, I'm done with you on this one. You've got almost as much time tearing into this video as they have making it. Thank you for your thoughts, all 25 times you expressed them. Over and over. With all that time, you could have made your own video.

Regardless, I'll just let this massive thread bury this page and your objections and post it again in the future and hopefully get some fresh enjoyment out of it with whoever is participating in the thread at point. Moving on...

Sam :thumbup:





Mark Knapp said:
I believe it was a mistake to put the gauze segment into the video. I would rather have seen more of the arrow head making or other stuff you mentioned.

No 1. Wrap the gauze around the finger.

No 2. It's a good idea to put a dressing under the bandage, don't you agree. I don't think I need evidence. Whatever caused the wound is likely to introduce bacteria into it. The inside of the knife would most likely introduce more bacteria. I can't imagine how hard it might be to get the tube applied, compressed bandage off of the finger to change the dressing if no ointment was applied first, and blood was allowed to soak into the gauze and congeal there. I think that would hurt very much.

No 3. Not sure what you are asking me for here. I think it would be irritating to the wound if you put the knife handle around it and started twisting. Not to mention that it is not sterile in there.

No.4 The alternative would be to just wrap the gauze around the finger, that would have been the best practice. In survival, or life, we are always looking for best way to do something as opposed trying to think of as many ways as possible to use the knife.

I think you are probably right about his ability to talk about it maturely, but I'm not sure why you had to get snarky about it.

I'm not sure why you had to question my honesty, those that know me know that I am an honest person. Is that really your hang up, that I used the words "wrap around" instead of "slide on"? Weather the gauze is slid on or wrapped around is not the issue. Are you sure you didn't have more to do with the video than just holding the camera? You're making a pretty big deal out of it.

I stand by me original statement, in my opinion, the knife handle is not the best way to apply a bandage to a wounded finger.

Just my opinion.
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