THE Hollow Handle Knife Thread

Geez. Don’t know where to start here. I think you are missing the point of contention. It is fine that you didn’t care for parts of the video but when you are essentially stating that the lad is doing something wrong, I feel that it should be supported by evidence that your method is superior. If I say red is more appealing than blue then it very well may be to you. If you say that Canada is in South America, well…

"Wrap around" instead of "slide on" is kind of the issue here because that is the premise that led to your padding of the original statement. I am not going into the intricacies of wound management here nor was it shown in the video. There is quite a bit more that would go into prepping the wound just like the wood in the video did not naturally manifest as perfectly cut ends.
The goal is to preserve the function of the digit as much as possible while still maintaining protection. Trying to be succinct here but challenge you to try something.

Take a length of tube gauze as you suggested then “wrap” it. Now use a tool in that hand for five minutes like you would if you were up one of the rivers in your area and were stuck several days with no definitive evac. Also, if you do rig a way to tie this bandage that you feel is more effective, check your capillary refill and don’t forget about the “jostling” when you are doing the bandage tuck. After this test, try the method shown in the video securing the dressing at the base of the finger as demonstrated and also check your capillary refill. This is just a test without a true injury. After this, assume that you have an injury that has disrupted the joint. Now repeat the test and tell me which method provides stability and more importantly, which actually stays in place without causing deficits in motor, circulation, or sensory function. You just might be surprised by your findings. This is not even taking into consideration the fluctuating edema factor that just might require a bit of adjustment. I believe you will figure out which will be less disruptive to the underlying tissue.

I don’t know you but the dressing issue does seem like you made a mistake and then have been trying to cover it or “wrap it” instead of just admitting it and moving forward.

I don’t think anyone would argue that a HH knife is the best option for applying a tube gauze and unless I missed something, no one did. Interestingly enough, you feel that I am being “snarky” yet you continue to persist with subversive comments. I have to come clean on the video. It was shot with an iPhone and it was in fact my wife doing the recording during the dreaded tube gauze demonstration. My son really does not have 4 hands, it was me applying it to his finger.

Mark Knapp said:
I believe it was a mistake to put the gauze segment into the video. I would rather have seen more of the arrow head making or other stuff you mentioned.

No 1. Wrap the gauze around the finger.

No 2. It's a good idea to put a dressing under the bandage, don't you agree. I don't think I need evidence. Whatever caused the wound is likely to introduce bacteria into it. The inside of the knife would most likely introduce more bacteria. I can't imagine how hard it might be to get the tube applied, compressed bandage off of the finger to change the dressing if no ointment was applied first, and blood was allowed to soak into the gauze and congeal there. I think that would hurt very much.

No 3. Not sure what you are asking me for here. I think it would be irritating to the wound if you put the knife handle around it and started twisting. Not to mention that it is not sterile in there.

No.4 The alternative would be to just wrap the gauze around the finger, that would have been the best practice. In survival, or life, we are always looking for best way to do something as opposed trying to think of as many ways as possible to use the knife.

I think you are probably right about his ability to talk about it maturely, but I'm not sure why you had to get snarky about it.

I'm not sure why you had to question my honesty, those that know me know that I am an honest person. Is that really your hang up, that I used the words "wrap around" instead of "slide on"? Weather the gauze is slid on or wrapped around is not the issue. Are you sure you didn't have more to do with the video than just holding the camera? You're making a pretty big deal out of it.

I stand by me original statement, in my opinion, the knife handle is not the best way to apply a bandage to a wounded finger.

Just my opinion.
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Deep breath, guys.

Please, we dont want this thread ending like the last HH thread.

Especially, not because of squabbling amongst three HH afficionados.
 
riversidedep said:
I remember seeing adds for these knives in the American Rifleman magazine in the late 1970s/early 1980s. I wanted to get one, but being a kid, there was no way I could afford one.

Does anyone know who made these for Smith and Wesson?
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For years, I thought these were made for them by Schlieper (Eye Brand) as the spear point blades, feel, and sleeved handle design are very close to one of the Schlieper models (that was also sold as the Bianchi Nighthawk). But a few years ago, I stumbled upon a firearms article claiming that the knives were made in house at S/W's smaller Houlton, Me factory. That factory from my understanding was to handle the cutlery and law enforcement product production, plus a few models of pistols. The cutlery part was sold off in the mid 80's, but the factory still handles the other stuff.

The sleeved handle is nice, but sometimes they develop thin stress cracks.

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As far as other shapes, the sleeved handle is common, and dates back all the way to the early Case match safe knives of the 30's - 40's. Cast aluminum was also used somewhat successfully over the years in that regard too.
 
BladeScout said:
Deep breath, guys.

Please, we dont want this thread ending like the last HH thread.

Especially, not because of squabbling amongst three HH afficionados.
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That's not going to happen. I'm not mad, just disappointed in people's behavior. Moving on again.

I like the looks of that Henry. Looks like it cuts, and cool handle.

Sam
 
Thanks for the DE Henry link. It's always interesting to see hollow handle knives made before First Blood, as most HH knives (post '82) were descendants of Lile's design.
 
Sam Wilson said:
Oh Mark, if only you had followed your wife's advice. Oh well, I'm done with you on this one. You've got almost as much time tearing into this video as they have making it. Thank you for your thoughts, all 25 times you expressed them. Over and over. With all that time, you could have made your own video.

Regardless, I'll just let this massive thread bury this page and your objections and post it again in the future and hopefully get some fresh enjoyment out of it with whoever is participating in the thread at point. Moving on...

Sam :thumbup:
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Just answering his questions.
 
TAH said:
Thanks for the DE Henry link. It's always interesting to see hollow handle knives made before First Blood, as most HH knives (post '82) were descendants of Lile's design.
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H.G. Bourne was another pre- Lile hollow maker. I've seen a few larger ones, but most were mid sized -

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DYSPHORIC JOY said:
Geez. Don’t know where to start here. I think you are missing the point of contention. It is fine that you didn’t care for parts of the video but when you are essentially stating that the lad is doing something wrong, I feel that it should be supported by evidence that your method is superior. If I say red is more appealing than blue then it very well may be to you. If you say that Canada is in South America, well…

"Wrap around" instead of "slide on" is kind of the issue here because that is the premise that led to your padding of the original statement. I am not going into the intricacies of wound management here nor was it shown in the video. There is quite a bit more that would go into prepping the wound just like the wood in the video did not naturally manifest as perfectly cut ends.
The goal is to preserve the function of the digit as much as possible while still maintaining protection. Trying to be succinct here but challenge you to try something.

Take a length of tube gauze as you suggested then “wrap” it. Now use a tool in that hand for five minutes like you would if you were up one of the rivers in your area and were stuck several days with no definitive evac. Also, if you do rig a way to tie this bandage that you feel is more effective, check your capillary refill and don’t forget about the “jostling” when you are doing the bandage tuck. After this test, try the method shown in the video securing the dressing at the base of the finger as demonstrated and also check your capillary refill. This is just a test without a true injury. After this, assume that you have an injury that has disrupted the joint. Now repeat the test and tell me which method provides stability and more importantly, which actually stays in place without causing deficits in motor, circulation, or sensory function. You just might be surprised by your findings. This is not even taking into consideration the fluctuating edema factor that just might require a bit of adjustment. I believe you will figure out which will be less disruptive to the underlying tissue.

I don’t know you but the dressing issue does seem like you made a mistake and then have been trying to cover it or “wrap it” instead of just admitting it and moving forward.

I don’t think anyone would argue that a HH knife is the best option for applying a tube gauze and unless I missed something, no one did. Interestingly enough, you feel that I am being “snarky” yet you continue to persist with subversive comments. I have to come clean on the video. It was shot with an iPhone and it was in fact my wife doing the recording during the dreaded tube gauze demonstration. My son really does not have 4 hands, it was me applying it to his finger.
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If your issue is that at first I thought that the gauze was wrapped around the handle of the knife and not slid on, then we can get this cleared up easily. You are right, at first I thought the gauze was wrapped around the handle. Now we have that out of the way.

My issue is and has always been, videos are better (more credible) if they stick to the practical uses of HH knives instead of reaching for any possible way the knife can be used. If somebody mandated that you had to use a "tube gauze applicator" then the knife handle would probably be the best way to apply it given the survival situation. Since there is no mandate I wouldn't use the knife.
 
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Sam Wilson said:
That's not going to happen. I'm not mad, just disappointed in people's behavior. Moving on again.

I like the looks of that Henry. Looks like it cuts, and cool handle.

Sam
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We can all be friends here, it's just a discussion. I think I've treated everyone respectfully, that's what I try to do.
 
Mark Knapp said:
If your issue is that at first I thought that the gauze was wrapped around the handle of the knife and not slid on, then we can get this out cleared up easily. You are right, at first I thought the gauze was wrapped around the handle. Now we have that out of the way.

My issue is and has always been, videos are better (more credible) if they stick to the practical uses of HH knives instead of reaching for any possible way the knife can be used. If somebody mandated that you had to use a "tube gauze applicator" then the knife handle would probably be the best way to apply it given the survival situation. Since there is no mandate I wouldn't use the knife.
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All that talk about "practical" is a bit of a pill to swallow from someone who makes a knife with a gun handle built into it. There, I said it out loud. I'm sorry if I offended and I'm done, now that it's out. :rolleyes::thumbup:

Sam :thumbup:
 
Sam Wilson said:
All that talk about "practical" is a bit of a pill to swallow from someone who makes a knife with a gun handle built into it. There, I said it out loud. I'm sorry if I offended and I'm done, now that it's out. :rolleyes::thumbup:

Sam :thumbup:
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We can talk about my knife if you like. We haven't spent any time at all talking about it. What do you find impractical about it? It carries a pretty good survival compartment, and while it does have a belt loop on it, it isn't really meant to be carried on the belt. It's meant to be carried in the boat or airplane, snow machine, pickup etc.

Let's talk.
 
I've said everything I needed to say, and probably a bit more. Please, keep talking though.It's clear what you're here to talk about, and that is cool too. I think the point has been made abundantly clear though.

Sam :thumbup:
 
Moving on, yet again, I don't recall seeing any of the Lile copper handled HH knives in the thread, although I may have missed them. Thought they were pretty cool and looked made to be used.

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Sam :thumbup:
 
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