The Knife Industry is Tacticool BS

Hmmm?
Its called supply & demand.
If people want to buy a certain kind of knife they will, or not. I make culinary knives and use them and my other knives everyday. Most I've made some are production.

Do I buy or make Tacticool sharpened pry bar fixed or folders? Nope!
But if other's want to for use or just to fondle with the friends thats their business.

If I hadn't read the first few interesting responsive posts, Thank you gentleman, I wouldn't have bothered posting from the title.
Can't judge a thread by its title? LOL
 
I can only assume that Jeff wears sandals made of old tires. Store bought shoes are an unnecessary luxury, after all.
 
I wish i had realized this sooner... but of course mistakes must be made
So sad to see some of my favorite knife companies be stifled by... fashion
 
Randall is an astute showman and promoter who used that article to generate publicity, in order to further his business model. Not really shocking or surprising, to me.
 
I'd much rather have Randall do meat cuts, ballistic head tests and abusive testing. ^ P.S. I saw that article awhile ago and completely rolled my eyes the first time.
 
Everyone bemoans negative ads in politics - but they work
Everyone bemoans tacticool BS (and showmanship and promotion) - but it works

Saying that it's just marketing etc. does not make it a good thing or even "just business as usual".

It will be business as usual as long as it works.
 
For the knives these guys make do they really need 3D modeling? The ESEE knives look like the factory versions of knives guys can make in their garages.

It's clear that we should not expect anything innovative from this outfit.
 
Despite being a young person - probably a member of the very demographic tacticool knives are marketed to - Randalls words resonate with me. I can't help but see that the predominant design language of knife production today is geared towards "tactical" knives, although not in a way that is different from the way people yearned after "rambo" knives not too long ago, and WWII Ka-Bars before that. People seem to think that "tactical" knives are a new phenomenon, and forget the stilettos and butterfly knives of recent memory and the dirks and daggers of bygone eras. I think some people genuinely like "tactical" knives (for reasons I won't pretend to appreciate) and for others, the people who like tactical knives are perceived as immature.

Honestly, when I see that schrade, this guy comes to mind: (WARNING: CRINGE WORTHY)
[video=youtube;qwAtLyfa7F8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwAtLyfa7F8[/video]

but I'm not sure where my (and others') resentment for tactical knives come from, considering others' affection for them really doesn't do me any harm. Heck, I even own a lightning OTF! I just thought it would be cool to try. I suppose the desire for a tactical knife just seems (key word, seems) childish. Most people who buy tactical knives seem to be playing make-believe that they're some kind of action-hero. And many of the tactical aficionados who buy into the tactical craze have no connection to the sort of service (read: LEO/MILITARY) that makes "tactical practical". For me, I see companies like schrade, which used to make exclusively "traditional" knives, making knife lines today that blatantly pander to either a relatively ignorant audience of non knife-knuts, or people who associate an image with a type of knife. The sort of people who like skulls on stuff.

By contrast, ESEE sells knives to people who will probably use them outdoors, and who don't sully the reputation of knives and knife owners by pretending that a knife is an adequate weapon for self defense. (Seriously? Get a gun.) Randall claims to know little about tactical knives, but I'm not sure there's a whole lot he should know. A TINY portion of the knives marketed for tactical use go to people who are trained to use them and require them in their profession, and the remainder of that tidal wave of tactical knives inundate the market, potentially replacing good, practical (for me) designs that will now never see the light of day, because manufacturers are driven by consumers, who are apparently driven by a desire for tanto, assisted opening, "blood groove"-ed, serrated, black/camo, tactical knives.

Ironically, Lynn Thompson (of Cold Steel fame) made some remarks about the industry that are very similar to Mr.Randall:
http://www.coldsteel.com/Article-Trends-In-The-Knife-Industry.aspx

I just don't get the tactical thing. Someone explain it to me. Why? Is a knife a tool? Why do we love knives? Is it for the expression of utility and craftsmanship and materials science they represent? OR, are they glorified toys?
 
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Randall claims to know little about tactical knives, but I'm not sure there's a whole lot he should know.

What is there to know anyways? I don't buy into the idea "combat knives" have some amazing design secrets which can only be known to mystical knife-fighters and martial arts masters. "It's super effective!". It's just a damn knife, it needs to be pointy and have a secure grip, it's kind of hard to go too wrong there...

I'm pretty sure Jeff Randall knows damn well what kind of features separates a "fighting knife" from a "bushcraft knife". He just didn't want to say it. Why not? So as not to give any publicity to the idea of knives as weapons.
 
I like skulls on stuff. I must be of the common types then. The fact that the human skull is one of the most interesting and beautiful natural geometries is seemingly not appreciated by the more sophisticated specimens of our species of which I am then not one.

Stereotypes ....

There are excellent tactical knives out there and the schmuckatelli skulls are great.

Al Mar, Eric Tullis, Sal Glesser, ... all mall ninja nutcases? Direware = tacticool BS? SERE 2000 = tacticool BS?

When I see comments like those made by Mr Randall I see bitterness and resentment and not a level headed person stating truth.
 
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I still have a flip up phone, and I love it. Take that culture. I'm even trying to get the Star Trek communicator tone for it. :p
Yup. Motorola 195 here. Doesn't even have a camera. Screen is 1" X 1.5". Makes calls and texts. I've put it through hell over the last 10+ years. It's been dropped, soaked, left outside, frozen, heated, you name it. Dog even got a hold of it a few years ago and chewed it up. Damn thing is indestructible. Never turn it off and charge it once a week. I laugh when my wife and kids are griping about their fancy phones. My phone just works ALL the time. It's like the energizer bunny.

No different than my knives. Simple, tried, and true are best for me. They simply work and work well.
 
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Jeff is absolutely right too many useless knives out there !

The same can be said for just about anything which leaves the statement without substance. Too many useless books, movies, chocolates, cars, shoes, tools, ... younameit ... out there.

The whole system is self regulating. When the market doesn't want what a seller offers the seller will make a loss and change the offering. For as long as a product sells well enough to produce a profit it will be offered. What one considers junk another may consider treasure. As long as we have a free market economy where my needs/wants/desires are also catered for I'm happy. What the guy next to me wants and buys is not for me to judge.
 
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Yup. Motorola 195 here. Doesn't even have a camera. Screen is 1" X 1.5". Makes calls and texts. I've put it through hell over the last 10+ years. It's been dropped, soaked, left outside, frozen, heated, you name it. Dog even got a hold of it a few years ago and chewed it up. Damn thing is indestructible. Never turn it off and charge it once a week. I laugh when my wife and kids are griping about their fancy phones. My phone just works ALL the time. It's like the energizer bunny.

No different than my knives. Simple, tried, and true are best for me. They simply work and work well.

Got an old Nokia. People at work call it my Flintstones phone. I've dropped it and had it come apart into it's circuit boards, case and battery three times. Snapped it back together and went on.
 
Got an old Nokia. People at work call it my Flintstones phone. I've dropped it and had it come apart into it's circuit boards, case and battery three times. Snapped it back together and went on.
Best was a serving Army officer who would laugh at my flip phone. Then one day needed to use it. I don't know why his fancy phone wouldn't work and nor did he. I gave him hell, then let him use the phone. He never laughed at any of my "old school" stuff after that including tools and other equipment.
 
Yup. Motorola 195 here. Doesn't even have a camera. Screen is 1" X 1.5". Makes calls and texts. I've put it through hell over the last 10+ years. It's been dropped, soaked, left outside, frozen, heated, you name it. Dog even got a hold of it a few years ago and chewed it up. Damn thing is indestructible. Never turn it off and charge it once a week. I laugh when my wife and kids are griping about their fancy phones. My phone just works ALL the time. It's like the energizer bunny.

No different than my knives. Simple, tried, and true are best for me. They simply work and work well.

I feel like I'm the only one walking around with my head up. Everyone else is too busy texting their hearts out while I watch a nice sunset or stop and smell the roses. My niece has thrown my samsung flip phone to the floor many times and I just pick it up, put the parts back together, and turn it on. I'm kind of the same way with my knives which is simple and nothing too over the top.
 
All I gotta say is I made my peace with my illogical emotion driven decisions (particularly with knives, hobby, and shooting steel). I would say as long as they don't hurt anyone, but that's naive thinking I do it anyways.
(let's face it some of us have bigger priorities that make buying $400 knives not exactly the most responsible choice- I AM NOT JUDGING just simply saying).
 
I think some people genuinely like "tactical" knives

Actually, a lot of people genuinely like tactical knives, myself included.

and for others, the people who like tactical knives are perceived as immature.

Honestly, when I see that schrade, this guy comes to mind: (WARNING: CRINGE WORTHY)

but I'm not sure where my (and others') resentment for tactical knives come from

Do you think that negative perceptions of those who like tactical knives have anything to do with people derisively posting YouTube videos that are supposed to shamefully represent everyone who likes certain styles of tactical knives?

And many of the tactical aficionados who buy into the tactical craze have no connection to the sort of service (read: LEO/MILITARY) that makes "tactical practical".

One does not have to be in the military or law enforcement to have need of a "tactical" knife. The traits that make a knife useful to soldiers and policemen also make it useful for personal defensive carry, as well as countless other day-to-day applications. The Schrade depicted above does not cut any more or less effectively simply because of its appearance.

who don't sully the reputation of knives and knife owners by pretending that a knife is an adequate weapon for self defense. (Seriously? Get a gun.)

Nonsense.

1) Gun costs can be prohibitive.
2) Many guns are not intuitive and require practice to use.
3) Guns are extraordinarily regulated/restricted in many areas, and entirely outlawed in others.
4) People have been using knives as weapons from time immemorial.
5) Familiarize yourself with the Tueller Drill before you assume that a gun will save you.

And acknowledging that a knife can be used as a weapon sullies the reputation of knife owners? No, Hollywood sullies the public perception of knife owners. Very seldom are knives depicted in a good light in movies, television shows, or books.

Ironically, Lynn Thompson (of Cold Steel fame) made some remarks about the industry that are very similar to Mr.Randall:
http://www.coldsteel.com/Article-Trends-In-The-Knife-Industry.aspx

Actually, those comments were penned by James Keating, and he was addressing a specific design element of certain tactical knives, not tactical knives as a whole. Lynn Thompson's assessments of the double-edged dagger in the follow-on article were similarly specific to design limitations. Both Keating and Thompson know more than a little about knife use in the real world. Their experiences certainly qualify them to make observations about knife attributes, at least as much as those of Jeff Randall (if not more so, considering that they've been in the knife industry much longer than Randall has).

I just don't get the tactical thing. Someone explain it to me.

You don't have to get it. If it's not your thing, so be it. But please don't deride those who enjoy tactical knives. Likewise, please don't join the throngs of those who paint tactical knife owners as wannabes or children. I assure you that I am neither.

Why? Is a knife a tool? Why do we love knives? Is it for the expression of utility and craftsmanship and materials science they represent? OR, are they glorified toys?

Different knives are different things to different people. Every knife, like every person, is unique. There's room aplenty in the knife marketplace for various tastes, needs, wants, and ideas. I, for one, am glad that such freedom exists in the knife industry, as it holds my interest in a hobby that's been a lifelong fixation.

-Steve
 
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