The latest Ganzo Firebird D2 knives

[Insipid Moniker]

Let me tell my story.

For me knife purchase is a logistics challenge. I live in Asia. Buying from US sites is not an option, because if they ship directly to me it will be too expensive, and forwarding (postal) companies don't bring folders or fixeds except kitchen cutlery.

So, usually I was buying from BF members and asked them to ship using cheapest USPS rate (still 15-17$), but, unfortunately, someone overspent my paypal account and it is gone now.

Another route is asking a friend of mine who goes back and forth to US as a greencard holder couple of times a year. But then it is burdensome to ask him to carry a lot of items and etc.

So, knife purchase is really constrained in my location.

As an alternative I bought an Enlan EL-06 from a Chinese e-commerce site, and I received it in 35 days. I paid 14.17$, shipping included. And quality was really good. I gifted it to a friend of mine, hope he is enjoying it.

And I noticed that there are a bunch of new China-only manufacturers besides Enlan or Ganzo now.

So, buying quality D2-bladed Chinese knives can be a good alternative. Although sometimes postal service looses shipments from China or it takes 40 days. But I don't have luxury of choice.

Thankfully, there are now quite a lot of Chinese knife companies that seem to be on the up and up! CIVIVI makes some amazing blades for the price, I don't know much about QSP, but they have a really interesting variety of designs at a number of different price points, CJRB seems like they're making very nice knives as well. For me, at least, the issue is absolutely ethics, not ethnicity.

 

[DocJD]

For all those whom make this a moral / ethical issue : when self interest is served , your case is much weakened .

I'm extremely more impressed with morality and righteousness that requires self sacrifice .

 

[Insipid Moniker]

For all those whom make this a moral / ethical issue : when self interest is served , your case is much weakened .

I'm extremely more impressed with morality and righteousness that requires self sacrifice .

I agree! Folks that make ethical arguments in favor of buying Ganzo knives are very clearly bending ethics to serve their own self interest, rather than sacrificing a few dollars more to support the reputable and innovative manufacturers that do so much for our hobby.

 

[Rhinoknives1]

I just read the low count reviews on The big A on Ganzo blades and I would waste any money on them.

 

[DocJD]

I agree! Folks that make ethical arguments in favor of buying Ganzo knives are very clearly bending ethics to serve their own self interest, rather than sacrificing a few dollars more to support the reputable and innovative manufacturers that do so much for our hobby.

Not what I meant at all . But maybe correct in some sense .

I was referring more to the self interest of designers , big name brands , and the many middle men/sponsers that profit from those sales .

Nothing wrong in that per se , but let's be honest that it's a commercial self interest , primarily . The moral outrage is entirely self serving .

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Not what I meant at all . But maybe correct in some sense .

I was referring more to the self interest of designers , big name brands , and the many middle men/sponsers that profit from those sales .

Nothing wrong in that per se , but let's be honest that it's a commercial self interest , primarily . The moral outrage is entirely self serving .

Describing workers wishing to profit from their own work as self serving is certainly an...interesting...take.

 

[DocJD]

Describing workers wishing to profit from their own work as self serving is certainly an...interesting...take.

"Workers " ???

Please elucidate exactly which lowly downtrodden grunt labor "workers" are directly harmed by Ganzo . Truly don't understand this notion .

 

[Insipid Moniker]

"Workers " ???

Please elucidate exactly which lowly downtrodden grunt labor "workers" are directly harmed by Ganzo . Truly don't understand this notion .

Every employee of Spyderco, Benchmade, Zero Tolerance and literally any other knife company they make copies from. We've been directly told that those companies have to spend significant amounts of money to fight companies like Ganzo. That inevitably hurts their bottom line and if you don't think that's going to hurt employees you have a very limited understanding of corporate structure.

 

[DocJD]

Every employee of Spyderco, Benchmade, Zero Tolerance and literally any other knife company they make copies from. We've been directly told that those companies have to spend significant amounts of money to fight companies like Ganzo. That inevitably hurts their bottom line and if you don't think that's going to hurt employees you have a very limited understanding of corporate structure.

Maybe so .

But compared to actual outright counterfeiters , rampant on Ebay and ubiquitous "cash station " level knives sales numbers , I'm VERY doubtful that Ganzo , in particular , is directly much harming sales of any of your big name brands .

And , if I was a big USA based name brand knife co. , I'd be way WAY more worried about the competition from "legitimate " Chinese up and comers like WE .

IMO , Ganzo is just an easy target to blame .

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Maybe so .

But compared to actual outright counterfeiters , rampant on Ebay and ubiquitous "cash station " level knives sales numbers , I'm VERY doubtful that Ganzo , in particular , is directly much harming sales of any of your big name brands .

And , if I was a big USA based name brand knife co. , I'd be way WAY more worried about the competition from "legitimate " Chinese up and comers like WE .

IMO , Ganzo is just an easy target to blame .

Your argument is that because they're only responsible for a portion of the harm, not all of it that their actions are somehow ethical? Or that because their theft isn't as serious as the theft of other companies that refusing to support them and encouraging others to do the same is somehow self serving? Because those both sound much more like attempts to justify purchasing Ganzo knives than any kind of cogent ethical argument.

 

[craytab]

"Workers " ???

Please elucidate exactly which lowly downtrodden grunt labor "workers" are directly harmed by Ganzo . Truly don't understand this notion .

You want it explained on how economics works? This doesn't seem like the place.

 

[Quiet]

"Workers " ???

Please elucidate exactly which lowly downtrodden grunt labor "workers" are directly harmed by Ganzo . Truly don't understand this notion .

You don't understand the "notion" because like Chronovore, you've never created anything of value, had it stolen from you, and have had to watch others profit from that thing.

 

[Ebenvoila]

Just FYI, I just wanted you to know that I'm still carrying my Dividend Composite since the beginning of this topic.

 

[Lee D]

With all the new and classics out there to discuss/recommend, I am amazed these Ganzo threads receive this much attention. You get what you pay for, but I guess some haven’t learned that, and choose to do it the hard way.

 

[Ebenvoila]

This proves that this brand leaves no one indifferent...

 

[Puppadore]

Why does nobody come to Bucks defense when it comes to stealing their IP?
Kershaw, Kabar, Schrade, and I don’t know how many others have made knock off 110’s.

Name me one model where those brands made knock off of Buck. Kershaw, Kabar, and Schrade are all respectable American companies. They are nothing like scum Ganzo copying American models.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Just FYI, I just wanted you to know that I'm still carrying my Dividend Composite since the beginning of this topic.

Great knife from a great company with an excellent warranty and top notch customer service.

 

[danbot]

Why does nobody come to Bucks defense when it comes to stealing their IP?
Kershaw, Kabar, Schrade, and I don’t know how many others have made knock off 110’s.

I've done some digging and I can't find any info on Buck's reaction to having the 110 copied by their competitors back then.
Here is a thread from a couple years back discussing Schrade's shady dealings. You didn't seem to care much about it back then.
https://bladeforums.com/threads/schrade-and-design-theft.1560840/

How many people on this forum actually buy Schrade products?

I understand this is a discussion forum but subjects like this are ridiculous imo.
All these companies steal ideas, some are more blatant than others.

Maybe the CEO snapped because of all the Sharpfinger clones and told R&D that he wants payback.

Who knows?
Who cares???

It’s not even the discussion that irks me it is the sanctimonious drivel about how evil it is making a similar looking piece of cutlery.

Sure it is tacky but I’m not going to get riled up cause Schrade copies my favorite knife.

 

[craytab]

I've done some digging and I can't find any info on Buck's reaction to having the 110 copied by their competitors back then.
Here is a thread from a couple years back discussing Schrade's shady dealings. You didn't seem to care much about it back then.
https://bladeforums.com/threads/schrade-and-design-theft.1560840/

Hmm....

Seems to me our friend here is on the opposite end of the clone spectrum as most of the rest of us, and only posted a rhetorical question rather than asking a legitimate concern for discussion.

Just another form of the "others do it too!" excuse

 

[benchwarmer380]

Hmm....

Seems to me our friend here is on the opposite end of the clone spectrum as most of the rest of us, and only posted a rhetorical question rather than asking a legitimate concern for discussion.

Just another form of the "others do it too!" excuse

It's an interesting question though.

Modern knives tend to have a distinct design that makes them their own.

Many different companies have their take on traditional knife patterns like the stockman, peanut, Barlow, trapper ect.

Are traditional knives, which the Buck 110 is commonly considered, seen in the same light as moderns with distinct ownership of design or are they more of an open source like the Walker liner lock?