the most mind boggling question ever

SubaruSTi said:
What channel is Mears on?
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OLN

How sure are you that stroud is a fake? any proof or just a thery?
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There has been evidence cited in other threads as to the show isn't as described, specifically in regards to the "making of" episode. However in the above I was talking about the skills presented by Mear's vs Survivorman and the level of difficulty they posed to the respective individuals. Watch for example "Survivorman" try to set up a figure four and constantly collapse it on himself and jam his fingers under the rocks and shout explicatives. Now imagine Mear's in the same senario. One of these things is not like the other.

-Cliff
 
Has mears ever tried to catch a bird drawn to a piece of bone with his bear hands from within a half built igloo?

I can remember watching that and immediately thinking "What?".
 
SubaruSTi said:
How sure are you that stroud is a fake? any proof or just a thery?
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It would have to be a theory, because, it isn't true. Les Stroud is no fake. Why he does some of the things in his show, that he does, I'm not sure, but I guess it works. Ask OLN.

For example, in one of his shows, he demonstrates trying to start a fire by friction and he takes hours???? One summer, when he was a canoeing guide in Algonquin Park, every fire he started was with a bow drill and with this kind of experience, you can be sure that what you saw in the show was drama, pure and simple.

As far as who is the better survivalist? That's a question that none of us will probably ever be able to answer. For me, I have learned stuff from both of them, and, that is good enough for me.

Doc
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Yes, he then woke up.

-Cliff
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Ha.

I just noticed that I wrote bear instead of bare too. Can he kill a bear with his bare hands? Ha!
 
I think Stroud is both the bigger survivalist and nutcase. He puts himself into precarious situations and tries to get out or at least stay alive for 7 days, even though he will have a crew searching for him afterwards. And yes, I believe he has a satellite phone with him at all times (see the sponsors at the end credits). However, I think he is legit.

Mind you if I were lost, I would rather be with Mears. Look at him, he is a hefty guy. I am guessing he is eating really well in the wilderness whereas if you were stuck with Les, you would be fasting for 7 days! ;)

But as Cliff stated, they are 2 different breeds: Les does a documentary on how most people would act if lost and Ray does more bushcraft things. In my book, 2 related but separate pursuits.

BTW, you can email or talk to Les about his show. He is a really cool guy to talk to.
 
My take on it is simple...

I like them both..

Les has a show where he is trying to show what you COULD do, and what might happen...Some of the goofs on the show,I am almost positive are done on purpose for dramatic effect...Dude is to good to do some of the things he does unless it was on purpose..He admits on his website that he has a sat phone with him at all times, but it is not always working..:)

Mears is more or less "living" in the wooods whereas Survivorman's show is about extreme survival

I am with Doc on this one...I have learned stuff from both and enjoy both of there work
 
Big fan of both and they both know what they're doing, but i goto Mears, seems like he has done more and has more experience.
 
I have Dish Network and have never seen Mears' show or Survivorman on OLN. My lineup seems to be different than the schedule presented on the OLN website. For those with with DN, do we get a different OLN than everybody else, or am I just missing something? I have seen Survivorman on Discovery and The Science Channel, but Mears is nowhere to be found.
 
kiahs said:
I have Dish Network and have never seen Mears' show or Survivorman on OLN. My lineup seems to be different than the schedule presented on the OLN website. For those with with DN, do we get a different OLN than everybody else, or am I just missing something? I have seen Survivorman on Discovery and The Science Channel, but Mears is nowhere to be found.
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I'm with you, I dont get Mears at all, I've just read his books.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
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There has been evidence cited in other threads as to the show isn't as described, specifically in regards to the "making of" episode. However in the above I was talking about the skills presented by Mear's vs Survivorman and the level of difficulty they posed to the respective individuals. Watch for example "Survivorman" try to set up a figure four and constantly collapse it on himself and jam his fingers under the rocks and shout explicatives. Now imagine Mear's in the same senario. One of these things is not like the other.

-Cliff
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If you ask me Stroud is a real guy out in the real woods and dose fuck up, its not always going to go your way. I dont want to see some rambo do everything perfectly I want to see a real guy. Setting his shelter on fire is a highly possible. He always comes out hungry as a horse and another 5 days could kill him, theirs no way someone is going to go in with almost nothing and come out the way they went in. You have to study these things your whole life to do so and their are maybe 10 people on the planet that are that good. If I was in the same situation as Stroud I may have died or come out alot worse. I know all of us on here would have been the same way. I dont care if he has a satalite phone and a MRE hidden in his pack as long as he only uses them in a emergency. To not have those things would be really stupid. Ive never seen mears but saying because he dosnt do everything perfectly meening hes a fake or a actor is just stupid.
 
SubaruSTi said:
...another 5 days could kill him, theirs no way someone is going to go in with almost nothing and come out the way they went in. You have to study these things your whole life to do so and their are maybe 10 people on the planet that are that good...
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On this I disagree. One does not starve to death in five days. Or ten. Or fifteen. And only ten people on the planet? Nah. Less than ten millon maybe. Many of them with military or NA lifeskills training perhaps. Ten with their own TV shows I'd believe, or maybe less than ten urbanites with no real training or experience.

Codger
 
SubaruSTi said:
If I was in the same situation as Stroud I may have died or come out alot worse. I know all of us on here would have been the same way. .
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I dont know what your talking about, I would be fine.............WHAT, I would:D
 
SubaruSTi said:
If you ask me Stroud is a real guy out in the real woods and dose fuck up
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Rambo
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Ray? Rambo? :D His hair's too short. :D :D

Setting his shelter on fire is a highly possible.
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Show of hands. How many here have set their shelter on fire? Even one?

If I was in the same situation as Stroud I may have died or come out alot worse.
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Nah. I have more respect for you than that. You would have made sure your phone worked before venturing into the wilderness. I mean "fifty percent" failure rate of a lifeline piece of gear. Let's be real.

I know all of us on here would have been the same way.
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No, respectfully, you do not know that.
 
No freeking way. There are some superb and very knowledgeable outdoors people on this site.

I don't think that Stroud is as inept as he portrays himself sometimes. But he does make obvious mistakes, because, according to him, he bones up on the area he's going into a couple weeks prior to shooting the show and no one can learn all there is to learn with 2 weeks training. Heck, my first trip into the desert and I felt like a real novice, but I didn't set my shelter on fire.:D
 
SubaruSTi said:
... saying because he dosnt do everything perfectly meening hes a fake or a actor is just stupid.
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I said he was an actor because it is obvious that he is playing a part to entertain and is overly dramatic and would not act as he does if the camera was not on him. You can see a massive difference if you watch Stroud in his other shows, where he clearly isn't "Survivorman".

-Cliff
 
If you have a small fire inside the shelter and you leave it for a few mins like he did it can happen, im not saying burnt down but some of the side may get warm.

Going into the forest alone with nothing but the clothes on your back makes a pretty hard survival situation. If its in the winter and theirs snow you could melt that for water but in the summer time its pretty risky to drink w/o chemical tabs. If you had the gear it could be just like camping but with no gear its very hard. Build a shelter? with what? oh ill use my 50% phone to call union 306 to come out and build me one:rolleyes: :D oh and once its built ill have tom brown tell me some indian stories :barf:

If you have the gear and some basic knowledge you can get yourself out of the woods pretty easy. Survival skills really are almost a waste to 90% of americans. your way more likely to die from somthing else than being lost in the woods. I go camping quite a bit and go hiking almost once a week in the fall/winter in my woods.

Ive gotten lost in a state forest for a whole day and walked 15 miles and came out alright, I had all the gear I needed so the next day I was just a little sore from the walk. With no camping gear it would have been pretty bad. I doubt I could have started a fire or anything and would have been scared for my life. It would have been a real survival situation, with no water for 24 hours and hiking all that way in 90 degree heat I might have died. If I wasnt going camping I would have never been in the area.

anyways back to the subject. "Survivorman" is the best survival show ive seen because ive never seen mears so... oh and hes not a fake... I think:confused:
 
I think the gay guy from survivor TV series has to be the best. You know the guy that was naked all the time and they had him blurred out for most of the show. He is in jail now for income tax evasion, and every one in there has seen him on TV and know hes gay. NOW THAT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME SKILL TO SURVIVE.
 
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