The plague of S30V and S35VN

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So, Gaston, you seem to be saying that Crucible and Chris Reeve, when working together to come up with a steel specifically formulated to try and achieve an ideal balance of properties for making a knife blade (S30V/S35VN), were fundamentally flawed in their approach because they used a particle metallurgy process to do so? Is that correct?
 
Gaston
Wall of text.
I actually read all that to glean what I could.

I will say that to keep my attention you will have to prove you are a careful thinker and not say things like
the edge bent back / rolled 180°
e.g., CPM steel micro-folded edge completely roll over 180 degrees (as I did with really bad 440
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That would obviously be impossible with an edge that is 20° per side. Taking into account edge thickness 160° would be a good trick . . . some what less I should think.

Clogged apex
I don't know . . .
I always look forward to unclogging my apex.
 
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Don’t do it Aaron!! Gasbag read an article once that says looking at CPM edges cross eyed, while sneezing on them will produce a hydrogen explosion!!
:p
Joe

Planterz said:
Stop dreaming about breathing on it then.

I've only got a couple knives in CPM steels. A Leatherman with S30-V and a custom in CPM 154. I'll do some tests later involving sneezing at them and looking at them cross-eyed.
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. . . ahO' . . . er . . . nix, nix . ..
HEY !
How 'bout that niobium huh ?
Really improves the strength of those boundaries doesn't it !
. . . er . . . vanadium carbide . . . good stuff . . .
If it isn't over done.
Right ?
 
To be absolutely sure, you must ask Gaseous!
He’s obviously the only one who knows.
:eek::eek:

Wowbagger said:
. . . ahO' . . . er . . . nix, nix . ..
HEY !
How 'bout that niobium huh ?
Really improves the strength of those boundaries doesn't it !
. . . er . . . vanadium carbide . . . good stuff . . .
If it isn't over done.
Right ?
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bearfacedkiller said:
Gaston keeps saying that we check edges by slicing paper and that we don't check for burs by dragging the edge across our nail. I do not believe that to be true. He then goes on to say that he learned to do it here on this forum which contradicts his assertion that we are not doing it.

Coming onto a knife forum and telling knife geeks that they don't know how to check for a rolled edge or a bur is a bold claim to make. Also, making a claim that only you believe to be true and saying that you are correct because others just don't know how to see what you are seeing is a poor way to validate your opinion.
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Oh you’d be surprised. When I’m bivvying in Wales in mid-winter, having chopped the wood, prepared the stew and got the fire going, you just know the next thing I do is whip out all that paper I brought along, just for edge testing.

I can’t do the thumb nail test, as I don’t have thumb nails. Or thumbs. Or hands. You’ll never guess how I’m typing this.

Oh, and I just chopped some garlic with a PM2 in CPM S30v. It was all going so well until I breathed on it, then it micro rolled and got clogged with ostrich residue and my shoes fell off and then the vicar’s wife arrived and I didn’t have any trousers on and oh, the humanity.
 
palonej said:
Don’t do it Aaron!! Gasbag read an article once that says looking at CPM edges cross eyed, while sneezing on them will produce a hydrogen explosion!!
:p
Joe
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Oh man !
You just beat my definition of a sharp edge : when the edge is brought near to your arm all the hair pull them selves out by the roots and jump off your arm. Anything else is not there.

To :
When you sneeze on the edge you get a hydrogen explosion from the split atoms.

I like it !
 
colin.p said:
I have never been in to the Lee Valley store in Ottawa, but may have to take a trip in as they have a few items that apparently no one else has. Maybe they sell knives too....
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I got a Higonokami from Lee Valley in Toronto.
 
jimmyd1982 said:
Aren't you the same guy that said you only ever actually used your knives 5 times in your life, and that you use x-acto blades (without a handle) for all of your cutting tasks?
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I don't understand. Even if Gaston genuinely believes what he's saying, (I think he must) wouldn't he atleast consider "if virtually everyone else is telling me that they did not get the same results as me, maybe as I am the outlier I am the one who is doing something wrong"

Instead he must believe that everyone else either A: Don't know what they're talking about and are making stuff up in order to justify our steel purchases for ourselves. (This is what he believes if I remember) or B: We are all getting the same results as him and are all lying in order to commit some great conspiracy. Infact is it possible BF is set up as a tool to peddle inferior CPM steels to the unsuspecting public?

There is no way Gaston's results are not the reality for everyone, so it HAS to be A or B.......

...think about it....
 
s30V and s35VN are capable performers and lots of companies and makers are producing excellent high performance knives with both materials. They are both far better than traditional stainless steels like 440C, 154CM or AUS8. With that said, I will never use them when things like ELMAX, M390/20CV, and s90V exist. I've said it before but IMO if you are going to use a premium PM steel, you might as well go all the way, increase the price of the blade a bit, and use the best material out there. While that line of thinking works for me, its not going to work for Spyderco making tens of thousands of knives a year and needing to meet a more attractive price point for casual buyers.

Premium steels mean premium pricing. I think S30V and 35VN are actually a really great medium for mass produced blades. We are all spoiled now days with such a rich market of materials and blades that we forget just how good S30V is for a casual user.
 
Pilsner said:
Oh you’d be surprised. When I’m bivvying in Wales in mid-winter, having chopped the
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I once bivouacked in a coffee shop in the winter.
With the help of the waiter I chopped my way through a biscotti so that I might hoist a piece to my mouth.
The S30V edge was in fact rolled but I was able to then feed myself and so . . .
I guess you could say that knife saved my life.

(I wish to have a rematch this time with S35VN).
 
Pilsner said:
Currently sitting on my desk is an Enzo PK70 Scandi grind in...

*da da daaaaaah*

...S30v.

It cuts stuff. Lots of stuff. Everyday. Requires very little maintenance and it is very, very sharp. There are some very weird posts on this thread, but I don’t see the point in engaging. S30v is great for pocket knives. I don’t care if it was invented for sewage processing plants or if it magically appeared one day on a misty mountain top, I really could not care less. It works.
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Mikki from DBK tested his S30V Enzo Trapper really hard, seems like Enzo got their HT dialed in really good. I have a PK70 to, lovely knife, holds a great edge!

 
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