The UK set to ban "zombie" knives

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Thinking about it a little, banning those stupid green zombie knives is probably the best knife legislation I can think of. Somebody's gotta have the nerve to kill that jackassed bone head zombie trend in knife styling.
 
In fairness these knives could cause serious injury...




To the owner! Should just do all the seller's under the trade descriptions act, because those ain't fit to cut butter.
 
Maybe, just maybe, if knife enthusiasts want the public in general and law makers specifically to regard knives as tools, perhaps they should speak out against slimy companies that produce knives with no reasonable utility function, and whose design elements are specifically chosen to appeal to the fantasy lives of juveniles by looking as scary as artistically possible.

Seriously, most of these are total crap knives, right up there along side of Klingon and Lord of the Rings junk. They should be outlawed just for being so incredibly stupid and people who buy them should be jailed for being too stupid to circulate in civilized society. Ok, that might be a step too far.

But seriously, the knife industry can't produce crap whose sole purpose is to look scary and then act all shocked when people are, get this, scared.

And really, don't start with the "anything can be used as a weapon" trope. That's insulting and reveals and complete lack of understanding of knife design that shouldn't be tolerated on a forum dedicated to knives. Opinels and Puukos make horrible tactical knives because of specific design elements. Conversely, tactical knives are more effective for the tactical purposes of killing and injuring people precisely because of specific design choices. Only newbies dispute this.

Society has a perfect right to regard certain styles of knives as weapons because they've been designed specifically to be used as a weapon. To suggest otherwise is just daft.
 
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pinnah said:
Maybe, just maybe, if knife enthusiasts want the public in general and law makers specifically to regard knives as tools, perhaps they should speak out against slimy companies that produce knives with no reasonable utility function, and whose design elements are specifically chosen to appeal to the fantasy lives of juveniles by looking as scary as artistically possible.

Seriously, most of these are total crap knives, right up there along side of Klingon and Lord of the Rings junk. They should be outlawed just for being so incredibly stupid and people who buy them should be jailed for being too stupid to circulate in civilized society. Ok, that might be a step too far.

But seriously, the knife industry can't produce crap whose sole purpose is to look scary and then act all shocked when people are, get this, scared.

And really, don't start with the "anything can be used as a weapon" trope. That's insulting and reveals and complete lack of understanding of knife design that shouldn't be tolerated on a forum dedicated to knives. Opinels and Puukos make horrible tactical knives because of specific design elements. Conversely, tactical knives are more effective for the tactical purposes of killing and injuring people precisely because of specific design choices. Only newbies dispute this.

Society has a perfect right to regard certain styles of knives as weapons because they've been designed specifically to be used as a weapon. To suggest otherwise is just daft.
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You're starting to sound like you're anti-knife... :rolleyes::foot:


The UK could ban everything and the dummies there looking to hurt someone else would still figure out a way to do it.

Banning knives (even if they are impractical crap zombie blades) does not put a limit on human intent. But we don't want to look at actual evidence as to what's causing crimes/who's committing them to make decisions around these bans right? :confused::foot::rolleyes:
 
pinnah said:
Maybe, just maybe, if knife enthusiasts want the public in general and law makers specifically to regard knives as tools, perhaps they should speak out against slimy companies that produce knives with no reasonable utility function, and whose design elements are specifically chosen to appeal to the fantasy lives of juveniles by looking as scary as artistically possible.

Seriously, most of these are total crap knives, right up there along side of Klingon and Lord of the Rings junk. They should be outlawed just for being so incredibly stupid and people who buy them should be jailed for being too stupid to circulate in civilized society. Ok, that might be a step too far.

But seriously, the knife industry can't produce crap whose sole purpose is to look scary and then act all shocked when people are, get this, scared.

And really, don't start with the "anything can be used as a weapon" trope. That's insulting and reveals and complete lack of understanding of knife design that shouldn't be tolerated on a forum dedicated to knives. Opinels and Puukos make horrible tactical knives because of specific design elements. Conversely, tactical knives are more effective for the tactical purposes of killing and injuring people precisely because of specific design choices. Only newbies dispute this.

Society has a perfect right to regard certain styles of knives as weapons because they've been designed specifically to be used as a weapon. To suggest otherwise is just daft.
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Maybe, just maybe it is not the lawmakers job to determine what has........."no reasonable utility function, and whose design elements are specifically chosen to appeal to the fantasy lives of juveniles by looking as scary as artistically possible."
It is not governments job to do that.

If I choose to waste my money on this crap that is my business. What possible reason can politicians or lawmakers give to interfere in my choices.

Banning these knives because they are scary looking and could possibly hurt you is a slippery slope to a complete state controlled power grab of what the state defines as acceptable.

Maybe, just maybe you should rethink your post.
 
pinnah said:
Maybe, just maybe, if knife enthusiasts want the public in general and law makers specifically to regard knives as tools, perhaps they should speak out against slimy companies that produce knives with no reasonable utility function, and whose design elements are specifically chosen to appeal to the fantasy lives of juveniles by looking as scary as artistically possible.

Seriously, most of these are total crap knives, right up there along side of Klingon and Lord of the Rings junk. They should be outlawed just for being so incredibly stupid and people who buy them should be jailed for being too stupid to circulate in civilized society. Ok, that might be a step too far.

But seriously, the knife industry can't produce crap whose sole purpose is to look scary and then act all shocked when people are, get this, scared.

And really, don't start with the "anything can be used as a weapon" trope. That's insulting and reveals and complete lack of understanding of knife design that shouldn't be tolerated on a forum dedicated to knives. Opinels and Puukos make horrible tactical knives because of specific design elements. Conversely, tactical knives are more effective for the tactical purposes of killing and injuring people precisely because of specific design choices. Only newbies dispute this.

Society has a perfect right to regard certain styles of knives as weapons because they've been designed specifically to be used as a weapon. To suggest otherwise is just daft.
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Thank you Dave,(pinnah) for saying what needed to be said.

The knife industry will have to police itself, or society will do it for them, like it or not. When a sub group acts in such a way to bring unwanted attention, bad things happen. Like laws. The stuff in question has no reason to exist other than sales to juveniles with more allowance money than common sense and no parental guidance.

Folks, keep this one very important fact in your minds; you, as knife nuts, are the ambassadors of your hobby. Most of the 99.0 percent of the rest of the world does NOT share your hobby or your love of knives, but quite the contrary. You make up less than 1% of the population. Most people these days do not even carry a little pen knife. So when they see something they consider outlandish, they get a bit uptight. If they feel threatened, they may even write or call their representatives. Most people really don't care about knives one way or another. But lets far it, Klingon death daggers and lord of the rings junk gets the wrong kind of attention. Grow up and pay attention to society because you're stuck with it for better or worse. Knife rights has fought an uphill battle for you against all odds, and has had some laws over turned. But any dumb behavior on some idiots part will reverse that so fast you won't won't believe it. Just a small rash of knife crime will have the more restrictive laws back in place fast.

The knife manufacturers that make this crap won't give a rats a$$ when the laws get passed against them because they have already got the money out of the junk they wanted. Once the profits are in, they don't care abut you or the laws, they will just go enjoy that seaside condo they bought with the profits.

Police yourselves or society will do it for you. That' a fact.

Great post, pinnah!
 
I agree that the VAST majority of the world do not see knives like we seem to take for granted. For example, a typical person on these forums might consider a Spyderco Military a straight-up utilitarian design (which it is). But I remember watching CNN or one of those channels several years ago, where they were discussing a knife a man on trial had been carrying, which in the photo was a Military. Nancy Grace testily said, "Will someone PLEASE tell me why the hell anyone needs to walk around carrying a MACHETE? THIS is the most dangerous object I carry," she said, as she brought out her purse and pulled from it a nail clipper.

Now, you might think that what she said was completely idiotic and ignorant, and I would agree with you. But unfortunately, her viewpoint is reflective of probably 95% of the world's population...certainly at least that percentage of the American population. That's the majority viewpoint. And the majority lobbies and votes.

So, if a utilitarian design like the Spydie Military can be seen as a "pocket machete", how do you think people will see "zombie decapitation knives"? Or knives designed for "enemy deanimation"? Maybe those who design and name such junk are slow to catch on, are impaired, or simply don't give a damn. But such junk is indeed a potential threat to our freedom to carry knives in today's society.

Jim
 
Czechmate said:
You're starting to sound like you're anti-knife... :rolleyes::foot:


The UK could ban everything and the dummies there looking to hurt someone else would still figure out a way to do it.

Banning knives (even if they are impractical crap zombie blades) does not put a limit on human intent. But we don't want to look at actual evidence as to what's causing crimes/who's committing them to make decisions around these bans right? :confused::foot::rolleyes:
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Did you take the time to read the articles linked to the OP or are you just typing for the heck of it?

All three articles make it clear that legislatures are looking at language to ban specific knives with certain features such as length and back serrations. This happens routinely in most major cities.

There is no discussion anywhere a full ban on all knives.
 
Great post, I agree completely. Good to see reasonable people still around.
Steven65 said:
Maybe, just maybe it is not the lawmakers job to determine what has........."no reasonable utility function, and whose design elements are specifically chosen to appeal to the fantasy lives of juveniles by looking as scary as artistically possible."
It is not governments job to do that.

If I choose to waste my money on this crap that is my business. What possible reason can politicians or lawmakers give to interfere in my choices.

Banning these knives because they are scary looking and could possibly hurt you is a slippery slope to a complete state controlled power grab of what the state defines as acceptable.

Maybe, just maybe you should rethink your post.
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Those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for perceived safety deserve neither.

Actually Pinnah, I'd disagree that tactical knives are more dangerous. A chefs knife is going to be more dangerous than 99% of all "tactical" folders, for a few reasons. Availability, they're everywhere. Also, most people aren't trained to use a knife for self defense. In which case it is more dangerous for the user to introduce a knife into a fight at all, which negates any tactical design. The only advantage is the ability to reuse, as a good thick tanto folder may survive a slip between ribs, a kitchen knife not so much.

Training is what separates classes of knives. A puukko is very, very dangerous in anyone's hands with the wrong intent.
 
Exactly, dude doesn't like "tactical" knives I get it... But ANY knife can be used "tactically" and common kitchen knives are longer than most tactical folders being sold.


How about judging knives level of danger to other people off aesthetics is completely preposterous. And ignorant on its head.


No wonder society is crumbling lol logic is a thing of the past.
G III said:
Those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for perceived safety deserve neither.

Actually Pinnah, I'd disagree that tactical knives are more dangerous. A chefs knife is going to be more dangerous than 99% of all "tactical" folders, for a few reasons. Availability, they're everywhere. Also, most people aren't trained to use a knife for self defense. In which case it is more dangerous for the user to introduce a knife into a fight at all, which negates any tactical design. The only advantage is the ability to reuse, as a good thick tanto folder may survive a slip between ribs, a kitchen knife not so much.

Training is what separates classes of knives. A puukko is very, very dangerous in anyone's hands with the wrong intent.
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Steven65 said:
Banning these knives because they are scary looking and could possibly hurt you is a slippery slope to a complete state controlled power grab of what the state defines as acceptable.
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"Slippery slope" arguments are utter rubbish.

Society establishes lines through laws. They get renegotiated occasionally, but at the end of the day, we all live with lines that wrestle to strike a reasonable balance between the rights of the individual and needs of society at large.

Neither you nor I live in a place where we can legally drive 150mph on the open roads, despite the fact we can easily buy cars that go faster than that.

Neither you nor I live in a place where can legally own claymore mines or machine guns (without very difficult to acquire licenses).
 
Slippery slopes are utter rubbish?


Your opinion is utter rubbish, see how opinions work?


pinnah said:
"Slippery slope" arguments are utter rubbish.

Society establishes lines through laws. They get renegotiated occasionally, but at the end of the day, we all live with lines that wrestle to strike a reasonable balance between the rights of the individual and needs of society at large.

Neither you nor I live in a place where we can legally drive 150mph on the open roads, despite the fact we can easily buy cars that go faster than that.

Neither you nor I live in a place where can legally own claymore mines or machine guns (without very difficult to acquire licenses).
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Wait, am I the only one who's concerned with the guy's name being Alf Hitchcock? As in Alfred f*@$ing Hitchcock!?
 
The shear ignorance and idiocy displayed in these decisions is baffling and disheartening. How can a whole society be so frightful?
 
Actual, serious defense of superficial and impotent laws against fantasy aesthetic knives... on a knife forum??

Arguing that anything can be used as a weapon is a bad argument? Perhaps it is a great argument that is difficult to dispute. Declaring it a "daft" position in advance of the point being made does not render the point moot. Ever hear of a board game called "Clue"?

Billions of people worldwide have access to all kinds of knives constantly and have zero inclination to hurt somebody else with one. 19 people killed in knife-related incidents in Britain in a year? Ok. Take away the knives and 19 people would have been killed in some other manner. It has always happened and it always will. People with intent to injure can use anything at all to do so. A pillow, a coffee mug, a tire iron, water, rope, herbs. There probably isn't a thing that we on this forum could think of that hasn't actually been used to kill somebody at some point in history.

And who decides what is "scary"? Could it not be argued that horror films/books/comics/art and their scary content create greater mass exposure to violence than the aesthetic of a fantasy knife? Shall we limit artistic expression?

Scenario:

1) Fantasy knife dork initiates aggression
2) Pick up a chair and bang it over his face while he messes around with his Mordor Special.

-Oh, wait, chairs can't be used as weapons and nothing like that has ever happened before. :rolleyes:
 
WOW, I thought we had it bad in Canada, that's one of the former colonies for you limeys : ). I thought the law against a locking blade was stupid. A law that says "The knife should be capable of closing on the user's fingers...."

Can I add some Canadian absurdity. Our laws make ZERO stipulation of length, size or intended purpose. BUT, if it opens the wrong way it's deemed illegal. Balisongs, Switchblades, etc. are banned because they open one handed. Ironically, I've been able to import LOTS of butterfly knifes and microtech clones and they were delivered with CUSTOMS CLEARANCE PAPERS!!!!! <removed - jerk it emoticon for W&C use only>

The real stupidity, is that my Benchmade opens almost as fast as a switchblade, and faster than a Bali (and I'm fairly good with one) with one hand and it's legal.

The whole zombie craze is just paranoid wing-nuts that want to carry the Rambo knife they had in the 80's. I may be wrong but my Sabatier Lobster splitter is probably better than anything painted green at dispatching the undead, and it helps make bisque.
 
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Another superb post!! Thank you.

I was taken aback by the defense of the illogical actions of the fear mongering politicians as well.

America did have Americans that wanted to remain a part of England.. Tories or something similar I think. They are still amongst us currently.
jazub said:
Actual, serious defense of superficial and impotent laws against fantasy aesthetic knives... on a knife forum??

Arguing that anything can be used as a weapon is a bad argument? Perhaps it is a great argument that is difficult to dispute. Declaring it a "daft" position in advance of the point being made does not render the point moot. Ever hear of a board game called "Clue"?

Billions of people worldwide have access to all kinds of knives constantly and have zero inclination to hurt somebody else with one. 19 people killed in knife-related incidents in Britain in a year? Ok. Take away the knives and 19 people would have been killed in some other manner. It has always happened and it always will. People with intent to injure can use anything at all to do so. A pillow, a coffee mug, a tire iron, water, rope, herbs. There probably isn't a thing that we on this forum could think of that hasn't actually been used to kill somebody at some point in history.

And who decides what is "scary"? Could it not be argued that horror films/books/comics/art and their scary content create greater mass exposure to violence than the aesthetic of a fantasy knife? Shall we limit artistic expression?

Scenario:

1) Fantasy knife dork initiates aggression
2) Pick up a chair and bang it over his face while he messes around with his Mordor Special.

-Oh, wait, chairs can't be used as weapons and nothing like that has ever happened before. :rolleyes:
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