The UK set to ban "zombie" knives

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shinyedges said:
Slippery slopes are utter rubbish?


Your opinion is utter rubbish, see how opinions work?
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And unfortunately the opinions of society at large think our opinions are rubbish. See how that works? They who vastly outnumber us will make the laws. That's called democracy. As a tiny minority, we have to go along with that, or go find an uninhabited island to live on.
 
Czechmate said:
Once they ban all the knives criminals will have no way to stab anyone right?...

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Interesting, most of these exhibit the American tanto blade shape....

and ... the unsharpened pencil.. that's just wrong! :)
 
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pinnah said:
Did you take the time to read the articles linked to the OP or are you just typing for the heck of it?

All three articles make it clear that legislatures are looking at language to ban specific knives with certain features such as length and back serrations. This happens routinely in most major cities. Saw that, so what?

There is no discussion anywhere a full ban on all knives. That's pretty much what's in place already there LOL...
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My responses in bold.

I've carried a knife everyday for the last 19 years; it's disturbing to see how much logic and rationale thinking has flown out the window in this country as well as many others regarding knife laws.

That fact that you're defending the UK zombknifeban at all just bolsters my above statement further.


Why are you on a knife forum if you support all the bans?...
 
jackknife said:
And unfortunately the opinions of society at large think our opinions are rubbish. See how that works? They who scream louder than us will make the laws. That's called democracy. As a tiny minority, we have to be loudest, or go find an uninhabited island to live on.
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Fixed that for you.

The influence of minority/majority pales in comparison to volume and distribution. :thumbup:


As a long-time traveler to the UK with good friends there, I'm beginning to wonder if outlawing zombie knives is really proof-positive that the UK government is run by zombies... :D
 
pinnah said:
"Slippery slope" arguments are utter rubbish.

Society establishes lines through laws. They get renegotiated occasionally, but at the end of the day, we all live with lines that wrestle to strike a reasonable balance between the rights of the individual and needs of society at large.

Neither you nor I live in a place where we can legally drive 150mph on the open roads, despite the fact we can easily buy cars that go faster than that. You are correct that we have speed restrictions but by your analogy all cars that can do more than 70MPH should be banned because they are "Scary and pointless" Maybe we should also ban scary cars painted green with skulls.

Neither you nor I live in a place where can legally own claymore mines or machine guns (without very difficult to acquire licenses). Are you seriously comparing Zombie knives to Claymores and Machine guns?? Really mate wake up.
If you want to make an analogy to guns maybe all black rifles and AK derivatives should be banned because they are scary military weapons that terrorists use.
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Your analogies and argument needs some serious thought.

jackknife said:
And unfortunately the opinions of society at large think our opinions are rubbish. See how that works? They who vastly outnumber us will make the laws. That's called democracy. As a tiny minority, we have to go along with that, or go find an uninhabited island to live on.
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Actually what we have to do is protect the rights of the minority as this is the only way that the majority can be guaranteed that their rights will be protected. As you are an American I am surprised that you don't grasp this basic concept of freedom.
 
He likes knives, just not tactical looking knives apparently.

Maybe he feels by looking more dangerous they actually become more dangerous...

I personally don't understand his opinion or position and am willing to listen to the logic behind how aesthetics make a knife more dangerous and worthy of being banned. Like I said if he can support his opinion with some valid reasoning and logic I will hear it out, but I'm certain that won't occur.


He likes traditional knives and likely thinks "his" knives won't ever be banned and we should all use what he likes and uses.

But.. All this is only speculation as I don't have a darn clue how he came to the illogical opinion he spouts.
Czechmate said:
My responses in bold.

I've carried a knife everyday for the last 19 years; it's disturbing to see how much logic and rationale thinking has flown out the window in this country as well as many others regarding knife laws.

That fact that you're defending the UK zombknifeban at all just bolsters my above statement further.


Why are you on a knife forum if you support all the bans?...
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Found it particularly amusing that the author states as fact these knives became popular by preppers playing LARP. Um those would be larpers. Get your American crazies straight, UK, when you're ginning up the fear.
 
Czechmate said:
I've carried a knife everyday for the last 19 years; it's disturbing to see how much logic and rationale thinking has flown out the window in this country as well as many others regarding knife laws.
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No no, knife laws around the World are perfectly sane.

In Denmark for example, a knife law was passed years ago. You could ONLY EDC a folding knife not over 7 cm in blade length (blade not edge) if it had no lockable blade and further more it had to be THO.

Break this law and go to jail.

Then later a cop demonstrated in court, how he with some dexterity could OHO certain small THO folding knives with 7 cm blade, no lock and suddenly a small SAK like a Spartan and the like could land you in jail. Nuts!
 
shinyedges said:
He likes knives, just not tactical looking knives apparently.

Maybe he feels by looking more dangerous they actually become more dangerous...

I personally don't understand his opinion or position and am willing to listen to the logic behind how aesthetics make a knife more dangerous and worthy of being banned. Like I said if he can support his opinion with some valid reasoning and logic I will hear it out, but I'm certain that won't occur.

He likes traditional knives and likely thinks "his" knives won't ever be banned and we should all use what he likes and uses.

But.. All this is only speculation as I don't have a darn clue how he came to the illogical opinion he spouts.
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I agree with your entire statement. I don't like zombie blades nor do I dislike them enough (nor am I naive enough) to endorse a ban. I'm a knife nut after all...


BladeScout said:
No no, knife laws around the World are perfectly sane.

In Denmark for example, a knife law was passed years ago. You could ONLY EDC a folding knife not over 7 cm in blade length (blade not edge) if it had no lockable blade and further more it had to be THO.

Break this law and go to jail.

Then later a cop demonstrated in court, how he with some dexterity could OHO certain small THO folding knives with 7 cm blade, no lock and suddenly a small SAK like a Spartan and the like could land you in jail. Nuts!
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Manipulation of the letter of the law? Unheard of in any country. :rolleyes::thumbdn:

Same goes for here in Ban-ada. It's safer to EDC a fixed blade since it can't be gravity opened with centrifugal force by a constabulary officer...

Because we all know that add +1000 lethality points to a folding knife; right?... (extreme sarcasm in case it's not obvious).
 
Behold, the lethal; multipurpose, klingon blade. Banned for it's incredible killing prowess...

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Well, today I strapped on a "high capacity" .40 handgun, a 4" bladed ZT0452, a Leatherman Wingman with several sharp, poky things on it, and gave the UK the middle finger on my way out the door.

Isn't freedom great!?
 
Why yes.. Yes it is lol
footballplayerchris said:
Well, today I strapped on a "high capacity" .40 handgun, a 4" bladed ZT0452, a Leatherman Wingman with several sharp, poky things on it, and gave the UK the middle finger on my way out the door.

Isn't freedom great!?
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Czechmate said:
You're starting to sound like you're anti-knife... :rolleyes::foot:


The UK could ban everything and the dummies there looking to hurt someone else would still figure out a way to do it.

Banning knives (even if they are impractical crap zombie blades) does not put a limit on human intent. But we don't want to look at actual evidence as to what's causing crimes/who's committing them to make decisions around these bans right? :confused::foot::rolleyes:
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You are absolutely right! I live in the country which law is utterly unfriendly to all knives,this and that is all forbidden, but country's system doesn't care 14 years old kids are alcoholics and drug addicts using to stab each other with what?-they use screwdrivers to stab each other..... just waiting until government introduce complete ban on screwdrivers too...poor mechanics and electricians will be out of work than.

Taking guns and knives away from nations began long ago and once government start taking guns and knives away from people for variety of "excuses" - it is always bad sign, a sign of dictatorship and oppression
 
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In real democracy - there is not a single valid reason to ban any guns or knives and taking them away from people by government. People shall bear this in mind! Knives doesn't kill....knives are tools that were here since humankind walked this planet
 
"So long, it's been good to know you ... "

The whole thread is an overreaction to a cheap shot Daily Mail article. Sensationalized as it is, I didn't see any serious reference to an actual bill. A few hoplophobes got togethet to denounce bad stuff. Wake me when something real happens.

Case closed.
 
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